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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:25 pm 
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Let’s be honest with ourselves how many WORLD CLASS players do SE have?? On current form only AHMED MUSA is Se WORLD CLASS player. The likes of Moses, iwobi, Iheanacho, ndidi, etebo all have the potential to become WORLD CLASS while MIKEL was a world class Dm in his prime.
Morals: we need more WORLD CLASS players


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:28 pm 
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Name one that Russia had going into this world cup :P

Your argument has been committed to mother earth already.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:29 pm 
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Russia is the home team total exception and they have some decent guys


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:31 pm 
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john12 wrote:
Russia is the home team total exception and they have some decent guys

... But no world class players. Plus they earned it on their own terms and hard work. :P

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:31 pm 
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I remember South Korea cheating their way to WC semi finals in 2002. There will always be that exceptions in every aspect of Soccer. Nothing is 100% bro


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:35 pm 
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You are an elitist.

You need a world class team, not world class players. Nigeria have enough talent to beat Argentina. A good coach would have done better.

Iheanacho had the best goals per game average in Europe.




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:47 pm 
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john12 wrote:
Let’s be honest with ourselves how many WORLD CLASS players do SE have?? On current form only AHMED MUSA is Se WORLD CLASS player. The likes of Moses, iwobi, Iheanacho, ndidi, etebo all have the potential to become WORLD CLASS while MIKEL was a world class Dm in his prime.
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Ahmed Musa is a World class player? Since when? Dude, do you even know the meaning of the word "World class"

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:50 pm 
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None! we likely wont have one by 2022 either.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:55 pm 
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Kongo Musa is one


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Musa is a world class speedster. Not a world class football player. He is too inconsistent and his final ball is poor. A world class striker is T Henry or Suarez. A striker that is consistent and can create for his team mates. Look at how Suarez set up Cavani against Portugal. Can Musa do that?

Watch players like Henry or Mbappe or Suarez player. Watch Diego Costa play. Watch Lewandowski play. Watch our own Rashidi Yekini play(RIP). Those are world class strikers.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:32 pm 
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Musa is not world class. Did you see how many touches he had to take before shooting for the 2nd goal against Iceland? Better defenders would have caught him up before he could shoot.

Obi and Moses are the only world-class players we have. Moses is a mixed bag for SE because sometimes he plays with passion, like against Cameroon, and other times he doesn't seem too interested. Obi, on the other hand, is past his prime but still better than the players we're currently producing in midfield. Would anyone swap him with Joel or Onazi?

We need to go back to the grassroots and devise a better system for producing talented players if we're really serious about winning on the world stage. France, Spain, Germany, England (just recently) all had to go back to the drawing board when their performance dropped off. The likes of Henry, Anelka, Gallas, Ozil, Muller, Kroos etc all came from strategic systems to generate better talent. We're seeing some of the England boys coming through now.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:36 pm 
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Your point makes a lot of sense. And I agree with the premise of it.
There are exceptions at times, though ...
Germany, Spain, Argentina, Portugal, all have world class players ...


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Musa is not world class. Did you see how many touches he had to take before shooting for the 2nd goal against Iceland? Better defenders would have caught him up before he could shoot.

Obi and Moses are the only world-class players we have. Moses is a mixed bag for SE because sometimes he plays with passion, like against Cameroon, and other times he doesn't seem too interested. Obi, on the other hand, is past his prime but still better than the players we're currently producing in midfield. Would anyone swap him with Joel or Onazi?

We need to go back to the grassroots and devise a better system for producing talented players if we're really serious about winning on the world stage. France, Spain, Germany, England (just recently) all had to go back to the drawing board when their performance dropped off. The likes of Henry, Anelka, Gallas, Ozil, Muller, Kroos etc all came from strategic systems to generate better talent. We're seeing some of the England boys coming through now.


Quite apart from he topic of whether Musa is world class or not, the extra touches he took showed an unnatural degree of self control and composure in front of goal. Each touch wrong footed a player on the opposing team and left him with what looked like an easy finish.

Please, Moses is not world class. Can't shoot accurately, makes bad decisions constantly and often has no end product.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:58 pm 
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Scipio Africanus wrote:
Orion wrote:
Musa is not world class. Did you see how many touches he had to take before shooting for the 2nd goal against Iceland? Better defenders would have caught him up before he could shoot.

Obi and Moses are the only world-class players we have. Moses is a mixed bag for SE because sometimes he plays with passion, like against Cameroon, and other times he doesn't seem too interested. Obi, on the other hand, is past his prime but still better than the players we're currently producing in midfield. Would anyone swap him with Joel or Onazi?

We need to go back to the grassroots and devise a better system for producing talented players if we're really serious about winning on the world stage. France, Spain, Germany, England (just recently) all had to go back to the drawing board when their performance dropped off. The likes of Henry, Anelka, Gallas, Ozil, Muller, Kroos etc all came from strategic systems to generate better talent. We're seeing some of the England boys coming through now.


Quite apart from he topic of whether Musa is world class or not, the extra touches he took showed an unnatural degree of self control and composure in front of goal. Each touch wrong footed a player on the opposing team and left him with what looked like an easy finish.

You're only saying that because he scored against weak defenders. Better quality defenders would have closed him down fast and blocked the shot. What separates the good from the average is not just control and composure but the speed of execution while being composed. Remember, at the highest levels the defenders are also very talented ballers and they close you down very quickly. Imagine Gotze's goal in the 2014 WC final. We're talking of milliseconds to control the ball and shoot if not the defender gets there.


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Any world class players in S.E?
Hmm... I don't know. But many have the potential and some are on their way there if they are consistent and get the right training and teams.

But I feel producing a world class team of talented & skilled players is better than producing a world class player in itself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:21 am 
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You’re calling them small team but Argentina, England and Portugal couldn’t defeat them


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Orion wrote:
Scipio Africanus wrote:
Orion wrote:
Musa is not world class. Did you see how many touches he had to take before shooting for the 2nd goal against Iceland? Better defenders would have caught him up before he could shoot.

Obi and Moses are the only world-class players we have. Moses is a mixed bag for SE because sometimes he plays with passion, like against Cameroon, and other times he doesn't seem too interested. Obi, on the other hand, is past his prime but still better than the players we're currently producing in midfield. Would anyone swap him with Joel or Onazi?

We need to go back to the grassroots and devise a better system for producing talented players if we're really serious about winning on the world stage. France, Spain, Germany, England (just recently) all had to go back to the drawing board when their performance dropped off. The likes of Henry, Anelka, Gallas, Ozil, Muller, Kroos etc all came from strategic systems to generate better talent. We're seeing some of the England boys coming through now.


Quite apart from he topic of whether Musa is world class or not, the extra touches he took showed an unnatural degree of self control and composure in front of goal. Each touch wrong footed a player on the opposing team and left him with what looked like an easy finish.

You're only saying that because he scored against weak defenders. Better quality defenders would have closed him down fast and blocked the shot. What separates the good from the average is not just control and composure but the speed of execution while being composed. Remember, at the highest levels the defenders are also very talented ballers and they close you down very quickly. Imagine Gotze's goal in the 2014 WC final. We're talking of milliseconds to control the ball and shoot if not the defender gets there.


This is the first time someone has referred to Icelandic defenders as weak defenders. Go back and check their qualifying record where they topped a group including the Croatia that is now beating everyone for fun. They had a very stingy defense. That is what they do. They defend very well.

Argentina with Messi, Aguero, Higuain and di Maria could only score one against them, but scored two against us.

Anyway, every game is different. Every situation in every game is different. Sometimes, depending on the situation, a striker needs to release a quick shot to score. Another time, facing the same defenders, you have to take a few extra touches. There is no one correct way of scoring a goal. It all depends on the situation, and your mastery of space, time and technique. Your decisions as a striker will be ultimately judged with the most important question. Did you score or not? Musa did. I wish Ighalo (and Moses, with all his bird killing shots) showed even half the composure that Musa did, and took his time to take extra touches when required.

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Scipio Africanus wrote:
Orion wrote:
Scipio Africanus wrote:
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Musa is not world class. Did you see how many touches he had to take before shooting for the 2nd goal against Iceland? Better defenders would have caught him up before he could shoot.

Obi and Moses are the only world-class players we have. Moses is a mixed bag for SE because sometimes he plays with passion, like against Cameroon, and other times he doesn't seem too interested. Obi, on the other hand, is past his prime but still better than the players we're currently producing in midfield. Would anyone swap him with Joel or Onazi?

We need to go back to the grassroots and devise a better system for producing talented players if we're really serious about winning on the world stage. France, Spain, Germany, England (just recently) all had to go back to the drawing board when their performance dropped off. The likes of Henry, Anelka, Gallas, Ozil, Muller, Kroos etc all came from strategic systems to generate better talent. We're seeing some of the England boys coming through now.


Quite apart from he topic of whether Musa is world class or not, the extra touches he took showed an unnatural degree of self control and composure in front of goal. Each touch wrong footed a player on the opposing team and left him with what looked like an easy finish.

You're only saying that because he scored against weak defenders. Better quality defenders would have closed him down fast and blocked the shot. What separates the good from the average is not just control and composure but the speed of execution while being composed. Remember, at the highest levels the defenders are also very talented ballers and they close you down very quickly. Imagine Gotze's goal in the 2014 WC final. We're talking of milliseconds to control the ball and shoot if not the defender gets there.


This is the first time someone has referred to Icelandic defenders as weak defenders. Go back and check their qualifying record where they topped a group including the Croatia that is now beating everyone for fun. They had a very stingy defense. That is what they do. They defend very well.

Argentina with Messi, Aguero, Higuain and di Maria could only score one against them, but scored two against us.

Anyway, every game is different. Every situation in every game is different. Sometimes, depending on the situation, a striker needs to release a quick shot to score. Another time, facing the same defenders, you have to take a few extra touches. There is no one correct way of scoring a goal. It all depends on the situation, and your mastery of space, time and technique. Your decisions as a striker will be ultimately judged with the most important question. Did you score or not? Musa did. I wish Ighalo (and Moses, with all his bird killing shots) showed even half the composure that Musa did, and took his time to take extra touches when required.



Don't mind him. Some Musa haters simply refuse to give him credit. I guess his first goal had no speed of execution either. What a load of rubbish.

Anyway, having said that, Musa is not world class. Way too inconsistent to be at that level.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:27 am 
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cchinukw wrote:
john12 wrote:
Russia is the home team total exception and they have some decent guys

... But no world class players. Plus they earned it on their own terms and hard work. :P


Bro,
Russia got here by playing the most defeatists football and exceptionally negative football. I dont see them going past the Semis. Infact, their lack of world class players should see them end at the quarter finals.


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chief nfachairman wrote:
cchinukw wrote:
john12 wrote:
Russia is the home team total exception and they have some decent guys

... But no world class players. Plus they earned it on their own terms and hard work. :P


Bro,
Russia got here by playing the most defeatists football and exceptionally negative football. I dont see them going past the Semis. Infact, their lack of world class players should see them end at the quarter finals.


am sure if you called Rohr and offered him QF.....he will bite your hand off.....he cant even get past our group......whose fault is it?....the less than world class footballer or the manager that couldn't get anything out of his team

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john12 wrote:
Let’s be honest with ourselves how many WORLD CLASS players do SE have?? On current form only AHMED MUSA is Se WORLD CLASS player. The likes of Moses, iwobi, Iheanacho, ndidi, etebo all have the potential to become WORLD CLASS while MIKEL was a world class Dm in his prime.
Morals: we need more WORLD CLASS players


AHMED MUSA a WORLD CLASS player because he scored two goals against the GREAT Icelandic team? WOW!!!! :clap: :clap:
He should make the the world 11 :wink:

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Ronaldo --- Messi --- -- Modric -- Pogba
MUSA -- Mbappe -- Salah

Musa Bench Neymar, Lukaku, Carvani, Falcao

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Nigeria has one world class player and that's Ndidi. He's top 5 in the world in what he does, possible no 1.


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