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Messi is great, Ronaldo is great, however I am liking more and more Rons body of work. I like that he has moved around to prove his point. Yes Juve are 7 times champions but it was still a risk coming over.

Everyone has their opinion on the two, but for me CRon is the better overall player and the fact that he won for Portugal says it all.

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This comment sums up my feelings also about this debate.
These two guys must be appreciated for how good they have been at the pinnacle of European club football for the last decade, it is because of how good they have been that the debate is always about them.
Their talents and achievements are simply to be enjoyed and appreciated whilst we still can, and not belittled when compared to each other.


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It's a tough call.

Just watching Messi work his magic against Real Betis last night brought this home.

I suspect, we'll always debate this but I like Benteke's argument that Ronaldo has tested his gifts at 3 different clubs at a high level and won it for country in the Euros.

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Messi is great, Ronaldo is great, however I am liking more and more Rons body of work. I like that he has moved around to prove his point. Yes Juve are 7 times champions but it was still a risk coming over.

Everyone has their opinion on the two, but for me CRon is the better overall player and the fact that he won for Portugal says it all.

Agreed, Cristao having played for multiple Glasgow Celtics, does sneak a yard on Oga Messi. The latter’s failure to deliver the World Cup singlehandedly, for the new David’s Holland, is further indictment against the diminutive DoST. Have argued many times over, were Henrikh Larsson a little less melanocytic, he’d be acknowledged as the GOAT or atleast esi ewu. Three Celtics, including the original.


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Messi is great, Ronaldo is great, however I am liking more and more Rons body of work. I like that he has moved around to prove his point. Yes Juve are 7 times champions but it was still a risk coming over.

Everyone has their opinion on the two, but for me CRon is the better overall player and the fact that he won for Portugal says it all.

Agreed, Cristao having played for multiple Glasgow Celtics, does sneak a yard on Oga Messi. The latter’s failure to deliver the World Cup singlehandedly, for the new David’s Holland, is further indictment against the diminutive DoST. Have argued many times over, were Henrikh Larsson a little less melanocytic, he’d be acknowledged as the GOAT or atleast esi ewu. Three Celtics, including the original.

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I understand what Mou is saying here, but I also understand it to be a cop out....

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is the difference between a cheetah and a springbok. The former faster, more powerful, etc. But the agility of the springbok means he can do things the former can only dream of...

Its a travesty to speak of both in the same sentence, as rivals. Its an indication of how much true excellence is cheapened in this age of market jingoists, click baits and bentekes....

We can and must credit Ronaldo for the force of will and professional dedication he brings to excellence in the profession. But you cannot make a Mozart of Oliver de Coque!

You cannot. Or else the gods strike you down in the market place!!! Celtic and all....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:36 pm 
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txj wrote:
I understand what Mou is saying here, but I also understand it to be a cop out....

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is the difference between a cheetah and a springbok. The former faster, more powerful, etc. But the agility of the springbok means he can do things the former can only dream of...

Its a travesty to speak of both in the same sentence, as rivals. Its an indication of how much true excellence is cheapened in this age of market jingoists, click baits and bentekes....

We can and must credit Ronaldo for the force of will and professional dedication he brings to excellence in the profession. But you cannot make a Mozart of Oliver de Coque!

You cannot. Or else the gods strike you down in the market place!!! Celtic and all....


No no no, i am not like that.
I actually admire the likes of Ronaldinho, Zidane, Riqeulme more than these two guys, i was actually wondering if people ever debated this much on things like Dinho vs Zidane in their days, i doubt it.
That why i say maybe it's because they have been the two prominent players recently, and as such views become emotional.
But if you see my comments in this thread you would understand that i actually appreciate both of them and their achievements. But i understand they operate a bit different, it also depends on their teams.


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benteke wrote:
txj wrote:
I understand what Mou is saying here, but I also understand it to be a cop out....

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is the difference between a cheetah and a springbok. The former faster, more powerful, etc. But the agility of the springbok means he can do things the former can only dream of...

Its a travesty to speak of both in the same sentence, as rivals. Its an indication of how much true excellence is cheapened in this age of market jingoists, click baits and bentekes....

We can and must credit Ronaldo for the force of will and professional dedication he brings to excellence in the profession. But you cannot make a Mozart of Oliver de Coque!

You cannot. Or else the gods strike you down in the market place!!! Celtic and all....


No no no, i am not like that.
I actually admire the likes of Ronaldinho, Zidane, Riqeulme more than these two guys, i was actually wondering if people ever debated this much on things like Dinho vs Zidane in their days, i doubt it.
That why i say maybe it's because they have been the two prominent players recently, and as such views become emotional.
But if you see my comments in this thread you would understand that i actually appreciate both of them and their achievements. But i understand they operate a bit different, it also depends on their teams.



It is what is bro. I already told you what to do....

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txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
txj wrote:
I understand what Mou is saying here, but I also understand it to be a cop out....

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is the difference between a cheetah and a springbok. The former faster, more powerful, etc. But the agility of the springbok means he can do things the former can only dream of...

Its a travesty to speak of both in the same sentence, as rivals. Its an indication of how much true excellence is cheapened in this age of market jingoists, click baits and bentekes....

We can and must credit Ronaldo for the force of will and professional dedication he brings to excellence in the profession. But you cannot make a Mozart of Oliver de Coque!

You cannot. Or else the gods strike you down in the market place!!! Celtic and all....


No no no, i am not like that.
I actually admire the likes of Ronaldinho, Zidane, Riqeulme more than these two guys, i was actually wondering if people ever debated this much on things like Dinho vs Zidane in their days, i doubt it.
That why i say maybe it's because they have been the two prominent players recently, and as such views become emotional.
But if you see my comments in this thread you would understand that i actually appreciate both of them and their achievements. But i understand they operate a bit different, it also depends on their teams.



It is what is bro. I already told you what to do....


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txj wrote:
I understand what Mou is saying here, but I also understand it to be a cop out....

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is the difference between a cheetah and a springbok. The former faster, more powerful, etc. But the agility of the springbok means he can do things the former can only dream of...

Its a travesty to speak of both in the same sentence, as rivals. Its an indication of how much true excellence is cheapened in this age of market jingoists, click baits and bentekes....

We can and must credit Ronaldo for the force of will and professional dedication he brings to excellence in the profession. But you cannot make a Mozart of Oliver de Coque!

You cannot. Or else the gods strike you down in the market place!!! Celtic and all....


I have argued this endlessly...

Still can't quite figure out how some folks can't see the obvious...They keep spouting stats; as if stats actually tell the whole story...

Comparing CRonaldo to Messi is like comparing Marco Van Basten to Maradona; or Puskas to Pele...Van Basten & Puskas were "once-in-a-generation" players; Maradona & Pele were "gods"...

We can debate whether Messi has done enough to merit a place beside Maradona & Pele... But, please, CRonaldo is nowhere near being included in that conversation...

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How’s Cristiano not in that conversation? You can hate the man personality but give him his due respect. The likes of Maradona, Ronaldo (Brazil) Van basten, Zidane all got their chances at champions league and when you look at Ronaldo performances/accomplishments at champions league, you would have to be a Hater to say his not among the GOAT


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They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.

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They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


I was wrong, Rooney stopped developing.....he looked like he had the world at his feet as a young player.

Ronaldo is a workaholic and is arguably the most professional great player we have ever seen. He is also very strong mentally.

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Skylolo wrote:
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They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


I was very wrong, Rooney stopped developing.....he was awesome as a young player.


So you understand the game but could not see what was blindingly obvious to most? Like I said, you will come around. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
airwolex wrote:
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They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


I was very wrong, Rooney stopped developing.....he was awesome as a young player.


So you understand the game but could not see what was blindingly obvious to most? Like I said, you will come around. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Please show me many who felt Ronaldo was the better player after their first 2 seasons at Manure wen Ronaldo was inconsistent doing silly leg overs. Rooney looked better and more complete as a young player, Ronaldo worked his way to greatness. Power, scoring, heading etc..Who am I to knock his hard work and desire...the dude deserves everything he has achieved.

However that is also why Messi remains better...He is a natural, he just has IT. Messi today has not changed much from that little dribbler that burst on the scene that many years ago, he has matured but the IT he has is just God given. Forget about the numbers, ballon d’ors etc.....the multiple times he has damaged Nija, Chelsea, Arsenal or whichever team you support the dude has been a joy to watch.

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Skylolo wrote:
airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


I was very wrong, Rooney stopped developing.....he was awesome as a young player.


So you understand the game but could not see what was blindingly obvious to most? Like I said, you will come around. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Please show me many who felt Ronaldo was the better player after their first 2 seasons at Manure wen Ronaldo was inconsistent doing silly leg overs. Rooney looked better and more complete as a young player, Ronaldo worked his way to greatness. Power, scoring, heading etc..Who am I to knock his hard work and desire...the dude deserves everything he has achieved.

However that is also why Messi remains better...He is a natural, he just has IT. Messi today has not changed much from that little dribbler that burst on the scene that many years ago, he has matured but the IT he has is just God given. Forget about the numbers, ballon d’ors etc.....the multiple times he has damaged Nija, Chelsea, Arsenal or whichever team you support the dude has been a joy to watch.


Bros...we all make mistakes, but I knew Ron had a higher ceiling than Rooney and told you at the time.

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airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


I was very wrong, Rooney stopped developing.....he was awesome as a young player.


So you understand the game but could not see what was blindingly obvious to most? Like I said, you will come around. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Please show me many who felt Ronaldo was the better player after their first 2 seasons at Manure wen Ronaldo was inconsistent doing silly leg overs. Rooney looked better and more complete as a young player, Ronaldo worked his way to greatness. Power, scoring, heading etc..Who am I to knock his hard work and desire...the dude deserves everything he has achieved.

However that is also why Messi remains better...He is a natural, he just has IT. Messi today has not changed much from that little dribbler that burst on the scene that many years ago, he has matured but the IT he has is just God given. Forget about the numbers, ballon d’ors etc.....the multiple times he has damaged Nija, Chelsea, Arsenal or whichever team you support the dude has been a joy to watch.


Bros...we all make mistakes, but I knew Ron had a higher ceiling than Rooney and told you at the time.


You did...I remember well well.... :mrgreen:

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airwolex wrote:
Skylolo wrote:
They played together in La Liga for about 8 seasons, Messi was voted best player in the league 7 times....Ronaldo once.

Those were people who got to see both players every week playing against the same teams, systems and defenders.

Ronaldo is unbelievable but anybody who understands the game and is honest knows it is not a contest.

It is like saying Ruud Van Nistelrooy was better than Thierry Henry, both were great goalscorers but one of them left you with many moments that simply took your breath away.


Slowly but surely you'll get there. Years back you were saying Rooney was better. Baby steps. :clap: :clap: :clap:


CRon the Mancunian candidate. Add to that Messi’s sterile social media presence, loyalty to one Celtic and Albicelestian origin, ‘tis no wonder he’s forever one Celtic too short.


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