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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:37 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:47 am 
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15-20 years ago, I probably would have screwed my nose at our performance. Now, I don't care! I just want that cup, end of.... Infact when we learn the dark arts and start to win ugly, being pragmatic and result oriented, we'll know we've arrived!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:48 am 
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Ugly? Nah more like disciplined and smart football... playing ugly football is mutually exclusive to playing a tactically composed brand of football, don't mix up the two... Greece played ugly and negative football (parking the bus) to win the Euro cup in 2004. Against Cameroon and South Africa, Nigeria gave up possession to these two teams, and they ended up largely not knowing what to do with it(kind of like our game against Madagascar)... meanwhile Nigeria had "less" possession of the ball, but played more purposeful and effective football (more shots on target, more chances created, better organization and quicker to tactical adjustments)... Now that's smart football, not ugly.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:58 am 
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Because we have speedy & skillful players, it helps beautify what has become a defensively oriented Nigeria. I think if we didn’t, and were depending on the long ball, we’d be near unwatchable.

So by and large, we’re still a fun side to watch...though we don’t play like we did in the 90s.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:03 am 
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:curse: Rohr no game shame, he just wants to win, even by own goals


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:04 am 
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Ugly football? Win 3-2 Against the defending champions and 2-1 Against the team that defeated the previous runner up and having more shot on target and goal. Yes, people are just looking for a response


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:10 am 
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Ugly football? Win 3-2 Against the defending champions and 2-1 Against the team that defeated the previous runner up and having more shot on target and goal. Yes, people are just looking for a response



dude they are not playing pretty, they are playing efficiently, you can take that however you want. They pretty much defended against a SA team they could easily out-ball.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:13 am 
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Ugly football? Win 3-2 Against the defending champions and 2-1 Against the team that defeated the previous runner up and having more shot on target and goal. Yes, people are just looking for a response


Did you see the stats that we had 38% possession against Cameroon? Even this game, we had lower possession than SA. Say what you will, but that’s not what we typically call Nigerian football. We’ve surrendered to a counter-attacking frame. I still like it cause of the reasons I mentioned above, but truth is this ain’t your father’s super eagles

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:19 am 
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Because we have speedy & skillful players, it helps beautify what has become a defensively oriented Nigeria. I think if we didn’t, and were depending on the long ball, we’d be near unwatchable.

So by and large, we’re still a fun side to watch...though we don’t play like we did in the 90s.
When we were famously hailed as "the most entertaining team" we were also said in that era to be "tactically indisciplined" or even "naive".

Now we are seen to be more "organised" and "compact" we are complaining that we are no longer entertaining enough to watch.

Maybe there has to be a compromise somewhere until you have the world-class players that can always compensate for any unbalance a team might have.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:21 am 
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The fluidity is not there because of the 4-2-3-1 where you have deep lying central midfielders and the fact that the forward line does not combine particularly well.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:37 am 
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Nigeria has to evolve look at our rivals they still play how they did 10 years ago and they are way too predictable,Ghana and Cameroon and even CIV lack any structure and seem to reinforce the typical West African footballing stereotype of power,pace and impulse little or no composer infront of goal and no deciplined structure and individualism.
If Nigeria look to incorporate their traditional style but take the best out of their current form they must go through a stage like this regardless of the ugly look!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:08 am 
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kali wrote:
The fluidity is not there because of the 4-2-3-1 where you have deep lying central midfielders and the fact that the forward line does not combine particularly well.


:agree:

Gernot Rohr is basically getting us to play like his native land, Germany, but the problem is our fans like us to play like Brazil where you attack with reckless abandon and you win 5-4 or 4-3 and you are branded the most entertaining team in the world. With Germany, your focus is on winning individual battles all over the pitch with power and athleticism, nullifying the opposition and reducing his advancement by being tight and leaving no spaces between your DMs and the back 4. You stop the opponent from scoring as long as you can score one. You don't see a german take the ball and dribble all the way.

That is what 4-2-3-1 buys you. Folks just have to get used to it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:17 am 
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Eaglezbeak wrote:
Nigeria has to evolve look at our rivals they still play how they did 10 years ago and they are way too predictable,Ghana and Cameroon and even CIV lack any structure and seem to reinforce the typical West African footballing stereotype of power,pace and impulse little or no composer infront of goal and no deciplined structure and individualism.
If Nigeria look to incorporate their traditional style but take the best out of their current form they must go through a stage like this regardless of the ugly look!
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I have always said Nigerians do not have the liver to go through a transition phase.
Forget the lip service.
We are not a patient people.
We are not a people that can see out a medium to long term goal.
We are an instant gratification people.
You see it in every aspect of our national life.
Football is no different.

20/20 'vision' - 20 NT coaches in 20 years says it all. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:23 am 
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I don't mind ugly ball. Make we win. And I still don't like Rohr.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:31 am 
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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
I don't mind ugly ball. Make we win. And I still don't like Rohr.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Chief, no need to like am.
But respect is more important.

Do all your patients like you?
No.
But the day you save their life they have to respect your skills.

I was once told by a patient, "I don't know many black people and never will, but fair do's to you." - his own roundabout way of thanking me for a job well done.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:41 am 
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Damunk wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
I don't mind ugly ball. Make we win. And I still don't like Rohr.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Chief, no need to like am.
But respect is more important.

Do all your patients like you?
No.
But the day you save their life they have to respect your skills.

I was once told by a patient, "I don't know many black people and never will, but fair do's to you." - his own roundabout way of thanking me for a job well done.

Wow this oyibo no get shame,i hope you charge him more for your service.


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kajifu wrote:
Damunk wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
I don't mind ugly ball. Make we win. And I still don't like Rohr.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Chief, no need to like am.
But respect is more important.

Do all your patients like you?
No.
But the day you save their life they have to respect your skills.

I was once told by a patient, "I don't know many black people and never will, but fair do's to you." - his own roundabout way of thanking me for a job well done.

Wow this oyibo no get shame,i hope you charge him more for your service.

Naaa I prefer oyinbo like him, than the ones who call a black man derogatory names and turn around to say he is not racist because all his friends are black.

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ANC wrote:
:curse: Rohr no game shame, he just wants to win, even by own goals


Ironic comment given Nigeria scored 2 good goals while SA scored pretty much an own goal and otherwise didn’t test Akpeyi. Go figure!


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ANC wrote:
:curse: Rohr no game shame, he just wants to win, even by own goals


Ironic comment given Nigeria scored 2 good goals while SA scored pretty much an own goal and otherwise didn’t test Akpeyi. Go figure!

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deanotito wrote:
john12 wrote:
Ugly football? Win 3-2 Against the defending champions and 2-1 Against the team that defeated the previous runner up and having more shot on target and goal. Yes, people are just looking for a response


Did you see the stats that we had 38% possession against Cameroon? Even this game, we had lower possession than SA. Say what you will, but that’s not what we typically call Nigerian football. We’ve surrendered to a counter-attacking frame. I still like it cause of the reasons I mentioned above, but truth is this ain’t your father’s super eagles

That was at some point before half-time. It ended like 54- 46 or so?

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deanotito wrote:
john12 wrote:
Ugly football? Win 3-2 Against the defending champions and 2-1 Against the team that defeated the previous runner up and having more shot on target and goal. Yes, people are just looking for a response


Did you see the stats that we had 38% possession against Cameroon? Even this game, we had lower possession than SA. Say what you will, but that’s not what we typically call Nigerian football. We’ve surrendered to a counter-attacking frame. I still like it cause of the reasons I mentioned above, but truth is this ain’t your father’s super eagles

That was at some point before half-time. It ended like 54- 46 or so?

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We won dirty, but shouldn't have come to that if we could have taken advantage of Musa's constant penetration...

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