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For the first time in history, a football club invested more than one billion euro in transfer indemnities to assemble its squad: Manchester City. Following last summer transfer window, two clubs are close to this figure: Paris St-Germain (€913 million) and Real Madrid (€902 million). Issue number 266 of the CIES Football Observatory Weekly Post presents the data for all teams in the big-5.


The gap between the costliest and cheapest squad per league is x148 in the Liga (Real Madrid vs Mallorca), x114 in the Ligue 1 (Paris St-Germain vs Nîmes), x85 in the Bundesliga (Bayern vs Paderborn), x63 in the Serie A (Juventus vs Lecce) and x32 in the Premier League (Manchester City vs Norwich). This reflects the great financial divides in European football.

The average transfer expenditure to sign current squad members per league is €345 M in the Premier League, €167 M in both the Liga and the Serie A, €124 M in the Bundesliga and €118 M in the Ligue 1. More exclusive financial analysis on the big-5 league transfer market is available in the 47th edition of the CIES Football Observatory Monthly Report.


https://football-observatory.com/IMG/si ... /wp266/en/

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At least the gap isnt that great in the PL, compared to La Liga

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The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:


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The truth of the matter is that none of the best in class managers could ever manage a club that has had no promise of CL footie.

On the Arsenal thread, I demonstrated this by looking at the point at which the likes of Mourinho (Chelsea), Pep (Mancity) and Klopp (Liverpool) took over at these clubs.

So on this basis, I would rate Poch higher than the Pep, Klopp and Mourinho as the trend shows that season on season, he was able to take a club like Tottenham all the way from outside CL football to the point where they are now competing with the best in Europe.

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The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.

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Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


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Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:


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benteke wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:


So why are you guys so focused on Pep? Given that Pellegrini had the same machine behind him? Abi Pep should say no thank you and instead go try his hand with a relegation battler just to prove to you that he can coach? Who does that? If Mourinho was handed the same job he would do the same and spend as long as the team got it to spend, but hey he's now a pre-game analyst and talking head as no one would entrust him with such billions :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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Was never an issue when Aberdeen Alex was flexing his fiscal might like a Friday night’s Celestine Babayaro. Once upon a time, none in all the land could stand up to Ol’ Ally, how many British transfer records? Sign of the times. An Aaron Wankanobi costs 40 odd, chubby Luke Shaw, 30 odd, a no goals next to no goals Iheanacho, 20 plus. Perspective brethren.


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maceo4 wrote:
benteke wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:


So why are you guys so focused on Pep? Given that Pellegrini had the same machine behind him? Abi Pep should say no thank you and instead go try his hand with a relegation battler just to prove to you that he can coach? Who does that? If Mourinho was handed the same job he would do the same and spend as long as the team got it to spend, but hey he's now a pre-game analyst and talking head as no one would entrust him with such billions :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Because Pellegrini was never labelled a genius despite breaking some records and winning a double at first attempt.
When Guardiola had not spent astronomically to make his thing work, he finished 3rd in the EPL and trophy less, knocked out by Monaco in CL.
Now after his astronomical spending to make sure his jigsaw fits perfectly, he is a genius. I would agree that his genius lies in spending.

That's all. We are not fighting.
The way City has gone about it's stuff is something to admire and be emulated even. :clap:


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benteke wrote:

That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.

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benteke wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
benteke wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:


So why are you guys so focused on Pep? Given that Pellegrini had the same machine behind him? Abi Pep should say no thank you and instead go try his hand with a relegation battler just to prove to you that he can coach? Who does that? If Mourinho was handed the same job he would do the same and spend as long as the team got it to spend, but hey he's now a pre-game analyst and talking head as no one would entrust him with such billions :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Because Pellegrini was never labelled a genius despite breaking some records and winning a double at first attempt.
When Guardiola had not spent astronomically to make his thing work, he finished 3rd in the EPL and trophy less, knocked out by Monaco in CL.
Now after his astronomical spending to make sure his jigsaw fits perfectly, he is a genius. I would agree that his genius lies in spending.

That's all. We are not fighting.
The way City has gone about it's stuff is something to admire and be emulated even. :clap:


Perhaps because he has revolutionized the game; and not just in England...

Yes, Pelle also won with City; other managers with big budgets have also won. And it's near impossible to completely divorce the fiscal might of his teams from his achievements, but nothing can take away the genius of the man...

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Mr. Piffington wrote:
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That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.


We are together. I did not say Pellegrini didn't spend.
The point was, when a decent manager like Pelle found a good project and also spent money on it, he won a double on his first attempt, something that Pep Guardiola failed to do until he made sure the conditions were absolutely almost perfect via spending mostly. Note that i am not discarding his tactical acumen, he tactical brilliance I also rate amongst the best.
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txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
benteke wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:
The genius of Pep Guardiola

With such monies invested, some £194million on fullbacks only, then a good coach can attempt any formation or tactic even the craziest, and make it work. If it doesn't work he can keep buying until he finds the right piece to the jigsaw :thumbs:

I don’t think Pep was the only coach Man City has. All that other stuff about coaching anything and making it work is just nonsense.


That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:


So why are you guys so focused on Pep? Given that Pellegrini had the same machine behind him? Abi Pep should say no thank you and instead go try his hand with a relegation battler just to prove to you that he can coach? Who does that? If Mourinho was handed the same job he would do the same and spend as long as the team got it to spend, but hey he's now a pre-game analyst and talking head as no one would entrust him with such billions :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Because Pellegrini was never labelled a genius despite breaking some records and winning a double at first attempt.
When Guardiola had not spent astronomically to make his thing work, he finished 3rd in the EPL and trophy less, knocked out by Monaco in CL.
Now after his astronomical spending to make sure his jigsaw fits perfectly, he is a genius. I would agree that his genius lies in spending.

That's all. We are not fighting.
The way City has gone about it's stuff is something to admire and be emulated even. :clap:


Perhaps because he has revolutionized the game; and not just in England...

Yes, Pelle also won with City; other managers with big budgets have also won. And it's near impossible to completely divorce the fiscal might of his teams from his achievements, but nothing can take away the genius of the man...


Revolution or Evolution, i am caught between the two.
Not forgetting that a lot of tactics and stuff that we see today had been done before with varying success.
Even newly Sheffield United i understand has its own so called tactical innovation of overlapping centre backs.
Pep is a good student of the best and i respect what he tries. But i was making a bit of a different point, he also said the same after playing Napoli, the kind of football they were trying needs enormous support from the board.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EmITV5O_zA&t=166s




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benteke wrote:
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That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.


We are together. I did not say Pellegrini didn't spend.
The point was, when a decent manager like Pelle found a good project and also spent money on it, he won a double on his first attempt, something that Pep Guardiola failed to do until he made sure the conditions were absolutely almost perfect via spending mostly. Note that i am not discarding his tactical acumen, he tactical brilliance I also rate amongst the best.
We are not fighting :thumbs:


we are fighting :taunt: :taunt: :taunt:

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benteke wrote:
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Perhaps because he has revolutionized the game; and not just in England...

Yes, Pelle also won with City; other managers with big budgets have also won. And it's near impossible to completely divorce the fiscal might of his teams from his achievements, but nothing can take away the genius of the man...


Revolution or Evolution, i am caught between the two.
Not forgetting that a lot of tactics and stuff that we see today had been done before with varying success.
Even newly Sheffield United i understand has its own so called tactical innovation of overlapping centre backs.
Pep is a good student of the best and i respect what he tries. But i was making a bit of a different point, he also said the same after playing Napoli, the kind of football they were trying needs enormous support from the board.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EmITV5O_zA&t=166s





It doesn't have to be completely new to be revolutionary. Indeed some of the greatest modern innovations are based on existing thinking. His approach pretty much changed the time space dimension in the game, considerably advancing the work of Rinus Michels and Valeri Lobanovsky before him.

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benteke wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:

That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.


We are together. I did not say Pellegrini didn't spend.
The point was, when a decent manager like Pelle found a good project and also spent money on it, he won a double on his first attempt, something that Pep Guardiola failed to do until he made sure the conditions were absolutely almost perfect via spending mostly. Note that i am not discarding his tactical acumen, he tactical brilliance I also rate amongst the best.
We are not fighting :thumbs:

But you failed to mention that Pellegrini didn’t win with the same squad for the next two years after, Pep took over an aging squad and had to gut it. You’ve got to say the whole truth.

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txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
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Perhaps because he has revolutionized the game; and not just in England...

Yes, Pelle also won with City; other managers with big budgets have also won. And it's near impossible to completely divorce the fiscal might of his teams from his achievements, but nothing can take away the genius of the man...


Revolution or Evolution, i am caught between the two.
Not forgetting that a lot of tactics and stuff that we see today had been done before with varying success.
Even newly Sheffield United i understand has its own so called tactical innovation of overlapping centre backs.
Pep is a good student of the best and i respect what he tries. But i was making a bit of a different point, he also said the same after playing Napoli, the kind of football they were trying needs enormous support from the board.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EmITV5O_zA&t=166s





It doesn't have to be completely new to be revolutionary. Indeed some of the greatest modern innovations are based on existing thinking. His approach pretty much changed the time space dimension in the game, considerably advancing the work of Rinus Michels and Valeri Lobanovsky before him.


Football keeps changing all the time, even right now Pep is not the only one changing the EPL, every time a foreign coach comes in and wins things, he is seen as revolutionising, you can count your Wenger, Mourinho first incarnation and others. Even Conte recently in his short stay was seen as revolutionising. Most important is that Pep is a student of the best and borrowed most ideas.. he is not the first one and won't be the last.


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Mr. Piffington wrote:
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Mr. Piffington wrote:
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That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.


We are together. I did not say Pellegrini didn't spend.
The point was, when a decent manager like Pelle found a good project and also spent money on it, he won a double on his first attempt, something that Pep Guardiola failed to do until he made sure the conditions were absolutely almost perfect via spending mostly. Note that i am not discarding his tactical acumen, he tactical brilliance I also rate amongst the best.
We are not fighting :thumbs:

But you failed to mention that Pellegrini didn’t win with the same squad for the next two years after, Pep took over an aging squad and had to gut it. You’ve got to say the whole truth.


After his first season or thereabouts, I'm not sure of the timelines, doubts started emerging about Pellegrini's future, as rumours started emerging that Pep would not be renewing at Bayern and would be coming to City to rejoin his Barcelona mates, Txiki and Soriano. His squad lost confidence and motivation, and maybe also needed a proper gutting. But especially in his last season he was just a sitting duck manager.


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benteke wrote:
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Mr. Piffington wrote:
benteke wrote:

That is precisely why Pellegrini got to City and won a double in his first season playing great football and his team also broke the 100 goals barrier in all competition or something like that.
The fact that Pep has spent £194 million on fullbacks only just to make sure whatever tactics he is trying works out, sums up my point. Good night :taunt:

Um, I hate to tell you this but Pellegrini spent money as well. Pep spent money on those full backs and he only used one consistently, Kyle Walker, because Mendy has been injured. He played with Fabian Delph as LB during the 100 point season and played with Zinchenko as LB last year. But hey, carry on though I’m not going to let facts get in your way.


We are together. I did not say Pellegrini didn't spend.
The point was, when a decent manager like Pelle found a good project and also spent money on it, he won a double on his first attempt, something that Pep Guardiola failed to do until he made sure the conditions were absolutely almost perfect via spending mostly. Note that i am not discarding his tactical acumen, he tactical brilliance I also rate amongst the best.
We are not fighting :thumbs:

But you failed to mention that Pellegrini didn’t win with the same squad for the next two years after, Pep took over an aging squad and had to gut it. You’ve got to say the whole truth.


After his first season or thereabouts, I'm not sure of the timelines, doubts started emerging about Pellegrini's future, as rumours started emerging that Pep would not be renewing at Bayern and would be coming to City to rejoin his Barcelona mates, Txiki and Soriano. His squad lost confidence and motivation, and maybe also needed a proper gutting. But especially in his last season he was just a sitting duck manager.


It was during his first season. Pellegrini knew from the first day he was hired that he was only going to do three years at City. He won the league in his first year but failed to do so in his final two years.

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