THE DEBATE: Future of SE at stake!

[Enugu II]

When I visualize Nigeria winning the World Cup or at least playing in the final of that great championship. What I dream is a team that has the likes of Alex Iwobi, Victor Osimhen, and perhaps movie Ejaria proudly wearing the famous green and white and running rings round the likes of Uruguay, England, Japan, and Argentina at a World Cup. It is a dream that we are close to realizing in our life time. Why waste it? Why not give it a try and enjoy the fruits of such a wonderful experiment?

It should be all hands on deck! Nigeria is ready to take off. We have talents oversea, those who left the shores of Nigeria and those eligible via their parents. We also have talents emerging regularly and based locally. Why not utilize all of them? Why shoot yourself on the foot because of some cock and bull story about the quality of training and nutrition in Europe when those Europe-based talents have not routinely conquered local-based opponents in African competitions?

Details here:
https://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... -team.html

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

This is not much of a debate, the best players are based in England,France,Italy, Spain and Germany.

[maceo4]

I think this wet dream of World Cup is just that, there’s nothing about our current players or team that says we will do any better than previous SE’s. And it’s not gonna be because of us using the rejects who couldn’t make the teams that actually have a shot at the World Cup. It’s odd to me to think that, but then again footie ain’t math.

But let’s first see how these boys do at the ANC and build from there. The likes of Iwobi and Samu showed some flash at the last edition but also were found wanting when they came up against the best Africa has to offer. Suddenly a nervous Samu couldn’t even dribble past his man anymore, Iwobi was busy playing a game of how often can I lose this round bouncy thing, Ndidi was passing to ghosts and hacking without restraint. We have talent good enough for Africa and trying to win the ANC if they can mature at the right time and Rohr can get out of their way. But World Cup? I don’t see it, not yet. Not even close.

But we keep dreaming I guess, every World Cup it’s the same thing watch out for Africa...guess we never get tired of dreaming rather than actually taking a note from the teams that perennially do well at the mundial and see how their victory is based on actually having a properly structured league and development system at home where their players all develop and learn a certain playing style and philosophy that is shared by all their national teams from youth level up. Look at Brazil, you can even find links to watch their Serie D (4th division) games online. We don’t even have a functioning first division. We are here relying on rejects from other countries development systems instead of realizing we must actually develop our own before we can actually compete and do it in a consistent manner, not just a flash in the pan Cameroon or Senegal every decade or so. It’s their development system, they will take the cream of the crop, the second tier of talent will hold out, some might get frustrated and join us, the third tier (the Baloguns and Ekongs) will be super delighted to play for us, but we ain’t winning anything at the World Cup level with them, just arent...

[Bigpokey24]

We ain't winning the worldcup anytime soon. Talkless of getting out of the 2nd round

[Damunk]

We ain't winning the worldcup anytime soon. Talkless of getting out of the 2nd round

Your prayer will never materilise.
IJN.

[mystic]

This is a false debate in my opinion. Nigeria will not reach her full potential if we fail to develop and nurture all the talent that we have within our shores. At the same time, when it comes to the Super Eagles, only our best players should be selected, regardless of where they ply their trade.

These two statements should not be mutually exclusive.

[gochino]

I think this wet dream of World Cup is just that, there’s nothing about our current players or team that says we will do any better than previous SE’s. And it’s not gonna be because of us using the rejects who couldn’t make the teams that actually have a shot at the World Cup. It’s odd to me to think that, but then again footie ain’t math.

But let’s first see how these boys do at the ANC and build from there. The likes of Iwobi and Samu showed some flash at the last edition but also were found wanting when they came up against the best Africa has to offer. Suddenly a nervous Samu couldn’t even dribble past his man anymore, Iwobi was busy playing a game of how often can I lose this round bouncy thing, Ndidi was passing to ghosts and hacking without restraint. We have talent good enough for Africa and trying to win the ANC if they can mature at the right time and Rohr can get out of their way. But World Cup? I don’t see it, not yet. Not even close.

But we keep dreaming I guess, every World Cup it’s the same thing watch out for Africa...guess we never get tired of dreaming rather than actually taking a note from the teams that perennially do well at the mundial and see how their victory is based on actually having a properly structured league and development system at home where their players all develop and learn a certain playing style and philosophy that is shared by all their national teams from youth level up. Look at Brazil, you can even find links to watch their Serie D (4th division) games online. We don’t even have a functioning first division. We are here relying on rejects from other countries development systems instead of realizing we must actually develop our own before we can actually compete and do it in a consistent manner, not just a flash in the pan Cameroon or Senegal every decade or so. It’s their development system, they will take the cream of the crop, the second tier of talent will hold out, some might get frustrated and join us, the third tier (the Baloguns and Ekongs) will be super delighted to play for us, but we ain’t winning anything at the World Cup level with them, just arent...

Good point, the truth is that we have the talent to do very well at the world cup but winning the world is too much at the moment. With Rohr in charge and his "we are here to learn" mentality, I don't see us getting past the second round! Against Algeria at the ANC we were just too defensive and that affected the offensive minded players like Samu, Iwobi and pressurised our defenders and Midfielders to make silly mistakes. This all boils down to Rohrs mentality.

[Bigpokey24]

We ain't winning the worldcup anytime soon. Talkless of getting out of the 2nd round

Your prayer will never materilise.
IJN.

You want to win the worldcup with players like Akpeyi or talkless of a manager like **** smh....Afcon was just a year ago

Have you seen your defenders or goalies? None of them plays for a top club...you want to win the worldcup...smh ....I guess the other countries praying don't want to win it..

Your highest profile number 9 plays in Lille... now tell us his backups.... a woeful Argentina didn't humble you, you still think you can win the world cup. France, Brazil, England, Spain , Germany, Italy Argentina will sit there and let you win the worldcup because you are praying..smh

We only go to the worldcup to participate, let that sink in

[bret- hart]

We are not winning the AFCON talkless of the WC anytime soon with Rhor in charge.

[Bigpokey24]

We are not winning the AFCON talkless of the WC anytime soon with Rhor in charge.

We aren't even dominating in Africa, bobo says nah prayer we go use win worldcup

[highbury]

When I visualize Nigeria winning the World Cup or at least playing in the final of that great championship. What I dream is a team that has the likes of Alex Iwobi, Victor Osimhen, and perhaps movie Ejaria proudly wearing the famous green and white and running rings round the likes of Uruguay, England, Japan, and Argentina at a World Cup. It is a dream that we are close to realizing in our life time. Why waste it? Why not give it a try and enjoy the fruits of such a wonderful experiment?

It should be all hands on deck! Nigeria is ready to take off. We have talents oversea, those who left the shores of Nigeria and those eligible via their parents. We also have talents emerging regularly and based locally. Why not utilize all of them? Why shoot yourself on the foot because of some cock and bull story about the quality of training and nutrition in Europe when those Europe-based talents have not routinely conquered local-based opponents in African competitions?

Details here:
https://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... -team.html

It is possible. And I truly believe it is very possible. The players have to believe. Please forgive the guys below for not believing. They have never seen an African team win it. Hence, the doubt. I remember when I was younger, people said that we will never have a black President because America is too racist and out of nowhere came Obama. I remember when they said it will impossible to win the Olympics and we won. It always looks impossible until done. I suspect if you asked the French before 1998, more didn't believe they could win. It always seems impossoble until in happens. Excuses people use is " oh the poor league" " oh the experience" " oh it's the lack of discipline" etc. Yes, we can win it if we believe. Easy? He'll no! Heck Greece won the Euros
I am waiting for the critics

[Damunk]

We ain't winning the worldcup anytime soon. Talkless of getting out of the 2nd round

Your prayer will never materilise.
IJN.

You want to win the worldcup with players like Akpeyi or talkless of a manager like **** smh....Afcon was just a year ago

Have you seen your defenders or goalies? None of them plays for a top club...you want to win the worldcup...smh ....I guess the other countries praying don't want to win it..

Your highest profile number 9 plays in Lille... now tell us his backups.... a woeful Argentina didn't humble you, you still think you can win the world cup. France, Brazil, England, Spain , Germany, Italy Argentina will sit there and let you win the worldcup because you are praying..smh

We only go to the worldcup to participate, let that sink in

You are in so much pain becos you haven't gotten your way.
Pele.
It must be depressing not being able to enjoy the successes of your team.
You might as well go support Ghana

[maceo4]

When I visualize Nigeria winning the World Cup or at least playing in the final of that great championship. What I dream is a team that has the likes of Alex Iwobi, Victor Osimhen, and perhaps movie Ejaria proudly wearing the famous green and white and running rings round the likes of Uruguay, England, Japan, and Argentina at a World Cup. It is a dream that we are close to realizing in our life time. Why waste it? Why not give it a try and enjoy the fruits of such a wonderful experiment?

It should be all hands on deck! Nigeria is ready to take off. We have talents oversea, those who left the shores of Nigeria and those eligible via their parents. We also have talents emerging regularly and based locally. Why not utilize all of them? Why shoot yourself on the foot because of some cock and bull story about the quality of training and nutrition in Europe when those Europe-based talents have not routinely conquered local-based opponents in African competitions?

Details here:
https://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... -team.html

It is possible. And I truly believe it is very possible. The players have to believe. Please forgive the guys below for not believing. They have never seen an African team win it. Hence, the doubt. I remember when I was younger, people said that we will never have a black President because America is too racist and out of nowhere came Obama. I remember when they said it will impossible to win the Olympics and we won. It always looks impossible until done. I suspect if you asked the French before 1998, more didn't believe they could win. It always seems impossoble until in happens. Excuses people use is " oh the poor league" " oh the experience" " oh it's the lack of discipline" etc. Yes, we can win it if we believe. Easy? He'll no! Heck Greece won the Euros
I am waiting for the critics

It’s not about just saying it or dreaming it, are African countries doing what is necessary to develop their football programs into ones that can compete on the world stage consistently, the answer is no. The blueprint is there from all these teams that are perennially amongst the top each and every World Cup. I think we might see 24-hr non stop electricity in Naija before we see a World Cup final. And we all know that ain’t happening anytime soon

[Bigpokey24]

We ain't winning the worldcup anytime soon. Talkless of getting out of the 2nd round

Your prayer will never materilise.
IJN.

You want to win the worldcup with players like Akpeyi or talkless of a manager like **** smh....Afcon was just a year ago

Have you seen your defenders or goalies? None of them plays for a top club...you want to win the worldcup...smh ....I guess the other countries praying don't want to win it..

Your highest profile number 9 plays in Lille... now tell us his backups.... a woeful Argentina didn't humble you, you still think you can win the world cup. France, Brazil, England, Spain , Germany, Italy Argentina will sit there and let you win the worldcup because you are praying..smh

We only go to the worldcup to participate, let that sink in

You are in so much pain becos you haven't gotten your way.
Pele.
It must be depressing not being able to enjoy the successes of your team.
You might as well go support Ghana

Pain? Get real....you want to win the worldcup by praying ...smh

[ohenhen1]

We dont have the coach, defense and midfield to win the world cup or even do well at the world cup. So what is point in keeping Rohr?

[Damunk]

We dont have the coach, defense and midfield to win the world cup or even do well at the world cup. So what is point in keeping Rohr?

But you are the same bunch of clowns that have been wailing for 2 years for not beating Croatia and Argentina with pretty much the same defence and midfield we have now.
We were supposed to be good enough to beat them then, but now with a better line up, we are not.
Ficklers, make up your minds.

[maceo4]

We dont have the coach, defense and midfield to win the world cup or even do well at the world cup. So what is point in keeping Rohr?

I’m with u, let’s disband the team sef

[Dammy]

When I visualize Nigeria winning the World Cup or at least playing in the final of that great championship. What I dream is a team that has the likes of Alex Iwobi, Victor Osimhen, and perhaps movie Ejaria proudly wearing the famous green and white and running rings round the likes of Uruguay, England, Japan, and Argentina at a World Cup. It is a dream that we are close to realizing in our life time. Why waste it? Why not give it a try and enjoy the fruits of such a wonderful experiment?

It should be all hands on deck! Nigeria is ready to take off. We have talents oversea, those who left the shores of Nigeria and those eligible via their parents. We also have talents emerging regularly and based locally. Why not utilize all of them? Why shoot yourself on the foot because of some cock and bull story about the quality of training and nutrition in Europe when those Europe-based talents have not routinely conquered local-based opponents in African competitions?

Details here:
https://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... -team.html

It is possible. And I truly believe it is very possible. The players have to believe. Please forgive the guys below for not believing. They have never seen an African team win it. Hence, the doubt. I remember when I was younger, people said that we will never have a black President because America is too racist and out of nowhere came Obama. I remember when they said it will impossible to win the Olympics and we won. It always looks impossible until done. I suspect if you asked the French before 1998, more didn't believe they could win. It always seems impossoble until in happens. Excuses people use is " oh the poor league" " oh the experience" " oh it's the lack of discipline" etc. Yes, we can win it if we believe. Easy? He'll no! Heck Greece won the Euros
I am waiting for the critics

We can win the WC, all we need is to believe. We won the 1996 Olympics against better teams due to the players believing they can do it. Nigeria is the only African country that can win the WC because of our "can do" mentality.
All we need is to bridge the gap quality wise because in 2018, the quality was too low and with our players moving to better leagues since then, the quality gap is not as wide as it was, and adding the traditional Nigerian fighting spirit, anything can happen. There's nothing Nigeria cannot do if we set our focus properly.

[Bell]

This is a false debate in my opinion. Nigeria will not reach her full potential if we fail to develop and nurture all the talent that we have within our shores. At the same time, when it comes to the Super Eagles, only our best players should be selected, regardless of where they ply their trade.

These two statements should not be mutually exclusive.

THE ABOVE REPRESENTS MY OPINION, BUT...


...it's not one shared by the NFF big wigs. They, in catastrophic error, believe the solution can rely entirely on poaching talents abroad while ignoring the local lads. But, then again, maybe they have no serious desire to win it.
Bell

[maceo4]

When I visualize Nigeria winning the World Cup or at least playing in the final of that great championship. What I dream is a team that has the likes of Alex Iwobi, Victor Osimhen, and perhaps movie Ejaria proudly wearing the famous green and white and running rings round the likes of Uruguay, England, Japan, and Argentina at a World Cup. It is a dream that we are close to realizing in our life time. Why waste it? Why not give it a try and enjoy the fruits of such a wonderful experiment?

It should be all hands on deck! Nigeria is ready to take off. We have talents oversea, those who left the shores of Nigeria and those eligible via their parents. We also have talents emerging regularly and based locally. Why not utilize all of them? Why shoot yourself on the foot because of some cock and bull story about the quality of training and nutrition in Europe when those Europe-based talents have not routinely conquered local-based opponents in African competitions?

Details here:
https://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... -team.html

It is possible. And I truly believe it is very possible. The players have to believe. Please forgive the guys below for not believing. They have never seen an African team win it. Hence, the doubt. I remember when I was younger, people said that we will never have a black President because America is too racist and out of nowhere came Obama. I remember when they said it will impossible to win the Olympics and we won. It always looks impossible until done. I suspect if you asked the French before 1998, more didn't believe they could win. It always seems impossoble until in happens. Excuses people use is " oh the poor league" " oh the experience" " oh it's the lack of discipline" etc. Yes, we can win it if we believe. Easy? He'll no! Heck Greece won the Euros
I am waiting for the critics

We can win the WC, all we need is to believe. We won the 1996 Olympics against better teams due to the players believing they can do it. Nigeria is the only African country that can win the WC because of our "can do" mentality.
All we need is to bridge the gap quality wise because in 2018, the quality was too low and with our players moving to better leagues since then, the quality gap is not as wide as it was, and adding the traditional Nigerian fighting spirit, anything can happen. There's nothing Nigeria cannot do if we set our focus properly.

So when Cameroon, Senegal, Ghana have done better than us, where was our can do mentality? And can we please stop talking about youth tournaments from umpteen years ago...let’s keep dreaming sha

[Bigpokey24]

^ dammy is funny...it is very easy to state we can win the worldcup. However we have Akpeyi, we have relegation fighting defenders, our 2 defenders are going to get relegated in Laliga... we have one also fighting relegation in Seria A. Mouth be what again...all we need to do is pray and shout mentality.

Dammy quoted 1996 u23 football...24 years ago....Cameroon won the gold also in the Olympics.. no SE player has won APOY since Kanu and that was 21 years ago

[Dammy]

^ dammy is funny...it is very easy to state we can win the worldcup. However we have Akpeyi, we have relegation fighting defenders, our 2 defenders are going to get relegated in Laliga... we have one also fighting relegation in Seria A. Mouth be what again...all we need to do is pray and shout mentality.

Dammy quoted 1996 u23 football...24 years ago....Cameroon won the gold also in the Olympics.. no SE player has won APOY since Kanu and that was 21 years ago

You man of little faith! U23 football? Brazil had 3 world cup winners in Bebeto, Aldair and Ronaldo, add Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Flavio Concecaio, Savio, Ze Elias, Juninho etc all full internationals and Argentina had Chamot, Simeone, Ortega, Sensini ( players who showed the full SE pepper at the 1994 WC), Crespo, Zanetti, Almeyda, Bassedas, Claudio and Gustavo Lopez, Ayala etc all full internationals and all this players wired England 2 years later in France. Both Brazil and Argentina were coached by their full national team coaches, Zagallo and Pasarella.
The WC is not being played today and unlike 2018, when our defence was made up of players from Turkey and Russia, in 2 years time we will have players from Serie A, La Liga, EPL and Bundesliga in our defence. The midfield and attack is getting overloaded with quality and we have in Francis Uzoho, a potential WC goalkeeper if his performances against Tunisia, Ukraine and Brazil is anything to go by.
Finally we also have Enugu 11's currently unknown home based world class players to look forward to.
I believe we can win the WC, especially if we have a good draw in the group stages. Nigeria can beat any team in world football on a good day.

[Adisboy]

We are not winning the AFCON talkless of the WC anytime soon with Rhor in charge.

This one na silly talk. In 2013 did you think we would win it? No mention AFCON oo. That we can win at anytime. I can understand the WC but your AFCON argument no get head.