Replicating success at the highest level beyond U-17

[Sampo]

And what it really takes - the morning-after and the koko of the matter.

Starting with "it's our birthright" by Joe Erico ... a deep and contrasting objective analysis from Ugbade, who's been there, done that!

Great, insightful stuff from our golden Boyz2Men

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[opine]

Ugbade actually makes some sense when he isn't whining and playing the victim

[obaGol]

You're not gonna replicate anything above U17 if you have petty, incompetent and corrupt coaches like Ugbade who scapegoat the players and fail to prepare for their opponents. Ugbade and Manu had the best U20 talent since 1996 and they wasted it. They selected awful defenders and a hopeless goalkeeper. Then they left talent on the bench . No game plan, no strategy, nothing!


That's why we don't win U20. Our boys can rely on speed and raw talent at U17. At U20, the opposition is strong and their so is their tactical awareness and training. The only coach to come close to that was Siasia because he prepared well and selected his players well. If he was our U20 coach this year, we would have been in the final.

[marko]

Nigeria performs well at under 17 level because their skills level is always better than what other countries offer at that stage, after that, the other countries improve whiles Nigeria simply goes down hill

[pajimoh]

Please stop the naija pastime of complaining when solution is needed. I believe we have the talent to win the world cup, at least if we plan for it starting with the Manu generation.

There are key things we need to put in place to have a realistic chance
1. Good grassroot program to spot and nurture talents
2. Good progression into senior football. That means well managed career progression with affiliation to clubs that nurture young talents.
3. Player mentality. Poverty sometimes lead to wrong choices when young guys start seeing money they only dream about.
4. Player commitment. Our players must want to be the first players and nation to win the wc. It must drive them daily.
5. The NFF must step up and actually provide enabling environment to make it happen. That includes on and off field synergy.
6. As fans we fust be patient. You don't build a formidable team by constantly changing personnel. We should stop picking the team for the manager

[mcal]

...shocking to argue 'we' don't know why 'we' can't translate u-something winning to SE.

Start with assembling and camping players together for prolong time...happens at u-something level but will never happen at SE
Then have a viable and lucrative well run league at home so that some of our bright and up and coming talents don't go wasting away abroad.

[wale1974]

Age age age

[Damunk]

You're not gonna replicate anything above U17 if you have petty, incompetent and corrupt coaches like Ugbade who scapegoat the players and fail to prepare for their opponents. Ugbade and Manu had the best U20 talent since 1996 and they wasted it. They selected awful defenders and a hopeless goalkeeper. Then they left talent on the bench . No game plan, no strategy, nothing!.

Part of Nigeria's endemic corruption and general incompetence you are happily extending to our coaches is when people do not do any research whatsoever, but noisily open mouth gboa-gboa to talk absolute rubbish with the supreme confidence of Aristotle.
I am sure you have not an iota of evidence to back up your claims in a logical debate, but have said it anyway and will probably stand by your assertions to the bitter end.
That too is corruption and you are part of the problem.

[iworo]

Ugbade This guy cracks me up He was talking like one of those comedians (i.e. Giringori, Baba Suwe, etc).

[Cellular]

Age age age

Wale, this your post na proper lazy man's analysis.

Did you watch the program?

Nduka Ugbade like many of his contemporaries understands what it takes to make it at the highest level. The sad part is that when these players make it due to personal efforts, they are saddled with a very incompetent NFF who rather devote time on prayers than staffing the national team with adequate staff and compensating them as at when due.

How can you win a WC when there hasn't been any single world cup we have participated in that is devoid of drama?

We are already at a disadvantage and we then connive to even put ourselves in more of a disadvantage.

Success at the highest level is not by accident... the amount of work and dedication it takes to win the WC is on a whole different level.

[nanijoe]

success at U17 does not translate well to senior level...Ugbade made some very strong points. Many of the players from the U17 tournament in Nigeria (2009) are completely out of football today, and of those playing most are not playing at the top level.

Check out the Swiss team that beat Nigeria in the finals and see how they are doing :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_FIFA ... Cup_squads

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

success at U17 does not translate well to senior level...Ugbade made some very strong points. Many of the players from the U17 tournament in Nigeria (2009) are completely out of football today, and of those playing most are not playing at the top level.

Check out the Swiss team that beat Nigeria in the finals and see how they are doing :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_FIFA ... Cup_squads

Nduka's analysis was quite impressive and compelling.

[Damunk]

success at U17 does not translate well to senior level...Ugbade made some very strong points. Many of the players from the U17 tournament in Nigeria (2009) are completely out of football today, and of those playing most are not playing at the top level.

Check out the Swiss team that beat Nigeria in the finals and see how they are doing :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_FIFA ... Cup_squads

Nduka's analysis was quite impressive and compelling.

If only I had the time.
A comparative analysis of players' career progression from the U17 WC would make very interesting reading.
From the 2009 squads for example, a quick scan of Nigeria, Brazil, Argentina and Switzerland show the results to be pretty much the same for all: very few made it to the very top clubs and very few even made it to their own national teams. Of course, Brazil being Brazil happened to have Neymar and Coutinho in those squads.

[Bigpokey24]

I have been saying this fir years, wale isn't sharp, he posted a word 3 times as his rebuttal

[amafolas]

Ugbade knows his football, but communicating it clearly in English is a struggle for the man.

[metalalloy]

Age age age

U-21 Euro-21 player of the tournament.


Goes to Real Madrid


Now at Banyias , United Arab Emirates at age 28


age, age , age ..

[metalalloy]

Ugbade knows his football, but communicating it clearly in English is a struggle for the man.

He got his point across though.

[opine]

Age age age

Wale, this your post na proper lazy man's analysis.

Did you watch the program?

Nduka Ugbade like many of his contemporaries understands what it takes to make it at the highest level. The sad part is that when these players make it due to personal efforts, they are saddled with a very incompetent NFF who rather devote time on prayers than staffing the national team with adequate staff and compensating them as at when due.

How can you win a WC when there hasn't been any single world cup we have participated in that is devoid of drama?

We are already at a disadvantage and we then connive to even put ourselves in more of a disadvantage.

Success at the highest level is not by accident... the amount of work and dedication it takes to win the WC is on a whole different level.

I am actually quite pissed that you decided to dignify such simplistic reasoning with a response.

[GIN]

You're not gonna replicate anything above U17 if you have petty, incompetent and corrupt coaches like Ugbade who scapegoat the players and fail to prepare for their opponents. Ugbade and Manu had the best U20 talent since 1996 and they wasted it. They selected awful defenders and a hopeless goalkeeper. Then they left talent on the bench . No game plan, no strategy, nothing!


That's why we don't win U20. Our boys can rely on speed and raw talent at U17. At U20, the opposition is strong and their so is their tactical awareness and training. The only coach to come close to that was Siasia because he prepared well and selected his players well. If he was our U20 coach this year, we would have been in the final.

What stopped him from making it to the WYC finals in 2009? or AAG 2015?

[Dammy]

You're not gonna replicate anything above U17 if you have petty, incompetent and corrupt coaches like Ugbade who scapegoat the players and fail to prepare for their opponents. Ugbade and Manu had the best U20 talent since 1996 and they wasted it. They selected awful defenders and a hopeless goalkeeper. Then they left talent on the bench . No game plan, no strategy, nothing!


That's why we don't win U20. Our boys can rely on speed and raw talent at U17. At U20, the opposition is strong and their so is their tactical awareness and training. The only coach to come close to that was Siasia because he prepared well and selected his players well. If he was our U20 coach this year, we would have been in the final.

What stopped him from making it to the WYC finals in 2009? or AAG 2015?

Talent!!

[GIN]

You're not gonna replicate anything above U17 if you have petty, incompetent and corrupt coaches like Ugbade who scapegoat the players and fail to prepare for their opponents. Ugbade and Manu had the best U20 talent since 1996 and they wasted it. They selected awful defenders and a hopeless goalkeeper. Then they left talent on the bench . No game plan, no strategy, nothing!


That's why we don't win U20. Our boys can rely on speed and raw talent at U17. At U20, the opposition is strong and their so is their tactical awareness and training. The only coach to come close to that was Siasia because he prepared well and selected his players well. If he was our U20 coach this year, we would have been in the final.

What stopped him from making it to the WYC finals in 2009? or AAG 2015?

Talent!!

I guess the 09 FE team were a bunch of "talentless wastepipes".