Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
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Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
You are on your own. There is a CAF award for African based players. Ask CAF why that criteria isn't only based on African matches while wearing national teams kits?
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
That is a different award as you noted for African based players. The AFOY should be for all players who perform for African teams - club or country. The issue is that the way it is currently, a player who does not play a minute for an African club or country could win the AFOY. in fact, it is not COULD. It happened with Sam Kuffour finishing second in a year that he did not play for a Ghaniaan club or Ghana.Bigpokey24 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:07 am You are on your own. There is a CAF award for African based players. Ask CAF why that criteria isn't only based on African matches while wearing national teams kits?
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It says African Footballer of the year, it doesn't say African footballer of the year wearing their national kitsEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:23 amThat is a different award as you noted for African based players. The AFOY should be for all players who perform for African teams - club or country. The issue is that the way it is currently, a player who does not play a minute for an African club or country could win the AFOY. in fact, it is not COULD. It happened with Sam Kuffour finishing second in a year that he did not play for a Ghaniaan club or Ghana.Bigpokey24 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:07 am You are on your own. There is a CAF award for African based players. Ask CAF why that criteria isn't only based on African matches while wearing national teams kits?
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Na wa for you bros. How many games has Boniface played for us that you say he has done diddly? Give the guy at least 10 games na.
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Once a player plays for an African national team, he or she should qualify based on club and national team football performances.Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
What I don't subscribe to is wholly or mainly basing the award on performance in Europe it or elsewhere alone. It should be like 60% for matches played for their national teams and 40% for clubs generally speaking. If the player is playing in Africa, it could be 65:35, as the way public procurement does local vendors marginal favour for domestic preference. If it's a WC year, it could be 70:30 and 75:25 in an AFCON year.
How silly would Africa and CAF be if an African player in the mould of George Weah, whose national team is clueless, wins World and European POY and CAF votes another player just because his achievements are in a European club shirt.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Good question i await the answer. Same people that said Lookman to the bench for Nacho depends on formation. I have asked is there any serious coach that would bench Lookman for Nacho in any foward positon? The boy is front runner for APOY and arguably our best outfield performer at AFCON but gets no respect on a Nigerian fan site. People that were surprised by yesterday's performance dey watch football with one eyeDammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
There's definitely no football reason to play Nacho ahead of Lookman.
There's nothing Nacho brings to the team at the moment that Lookman doesn't bring x10.
This same Lookman was Atlanta's highest goal scorer last season playing as a winger. This season, he's their second highest goal scorer in all competitions.
With all due respect to Nacho, he doesn't currently deserve a call up to the national team. He can't even make the bench for a team playing in the championship.
There's nothing Nacho brings to the team at the moment that Lookman doesn't bring x10.
This same Lookman was Atlanta's highest goal scorer last season playing as a winger. This season, he's their second highest goal scorer in all competitions.
With all due respect to Nacho, he doesn't currently deserve a call up to the national team. He can't even make the bench for a team playing in the championship.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Even now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Haba now, every player is replaceable in the SE setup. More especially Iwobi. I think Iwobi shouldn't be starting for Nigeria. He can't shoot, he can't defend. He runs well, is fit and can pick a pass. But we need more than thatEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
I wouldn't argue that, either. Even Osimhen too. I just pointed out that Osimhen, Iwobi, and somewhat Nwabali are players that are close to being irreplaceable but the truth is that everyone and anyone can be benched.highbury wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:03 pmHaba now, every player is replaceable in the SE setup. More especially Iwobi. I think Iwobi shouldn't be starting for Nigeria. He can't shoot, he can't defend. He runs well, is fit and can pick a pass. But we need more than thatEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
You keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
you might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Except it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.
Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
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Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.
Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
One of these days, you will learn that I am neither tied to any player nor am I enamored with any club. Those change for me as circumstance presents itself. The only thing unchanging for me is the Super Eagles.
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Yep, I was excited for him but not now. Same for every player. Excited now about Osimhen and Iwobi but when they fade, my excitement will also fade. However, for me they are currently the two most stable Nigerian players without a good replacement. Felt like that for Ndidi back then but not anymore. Bet on it. My take is simply based on what has a player done lately.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:08 am In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:23 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:46 am Both Victor Boniface and Ademola Lookman have both taken Europe by storm wearing their club shirts. That clearly puts them in the running for AFOY. In my opinion, and given criteria used by CAF they are both going to be top contenders.
My personal opinion is that CAF should not be using performance in European shirt for such award. However, that opinion, is just personal and certainly not the criteria used by CAF.
On SE? I believe Lookman has become a 110 player as I noted during the AFCON and playing centrally and not in a wide position. His performance at AFCON this year should solidify his no.1 status for AFOY.
Boniface, on the other hand, has done diddly for Nigeria just yet. However, he has potential given productivity as well as physical traits.
So why did you refer to Lookman as easily disposable after the friendly matches in the March FIFA window? This was after he had given your required 110 % at AFCON.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
One of these days, you will learn that I am neither tied to any player nor am I enamored with any club. Those change for me as circumstance presents itself. The only thing unchanging for me is the Super Eagles.
The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Lookman was our top goal scorer at AFCON and contributed with the form by scoring in the March friendlies yet you said he was easily disposable. How lately can that be?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:21 amYep, I was excited for him but not now. Same for every player. Excited now about Osimhen and Iwobi but when they fade, my excitement will also fade. However, for me they are currently the two most stable Nigerian players without a good replacement. Felt like that for Ndidi back then but not anymore. Bet on it. My take is simply based on what has a player done lately.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:08 am In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pmEven now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
One of these days, you will learn that I am neither tied to any player nor am I enamored with any club. Those change for me as circumstance presents itself. The only thing unchanging for me is the Super Eagles.
I am happy
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Dammy,Dammy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:02 amLookman was our top goal scorer at AFCON and contributed with the form by scoring in the March friendlies yet you said he was easily disposable. How lately can that be?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:21 amYep, I was excited for him but not now. Same for every player. Excited now about Osimhen and Iwobi but when they fade, my excitement will also fade. However, for me they are currently the two most stable Nigerian players without a good replacement. Felt like that for Ndidi back then but not anymore. Bet on it. My take is simply based on what has a player done lately.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:08 am In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pmyou might open that dictionary, to be sure.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:36 pmYou keep tying yourself in knots! So it’s easily replaceable now not easily disposable?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:39 pm
Even now, he is replaxeable in the context of SE football. In my view only Osimhen and Iwobi are not easily replaceable. The rest are replaceable including Lookman and Ekong. Note that this does not mean Ekong and Lookman are not good. Afterall, those were our best players at AFCON. However, being best at AFCON does not mean one is not easily replaced.
For instance, Boniface can easily replace Lookman as Nigeria's second striker without us batting an eyelid. But can we say that about Osimhen? I think not. Ekong can be replaceable eventhough he was MVP at AFCON. Can we say that of Iwobi?
I hope you understand how my thinking goes here? That one is replaceable does not mean he is not a good player. Far from it. It simply means Nigeria has a good substitute for that individual.
As someone who presents himself as an intellectual, I hope you know there’s a difference between replaceable and disposable? Or should we open a dictionary?
Keep digging!
One of these days, you will learn that I am neither tied to any player nor am I enamored with any club. Those change for me as circumstance presents itself. The only thing unchanging for me is the Super Eagles.
Let me ask you this:
Given Lookman's play would you have him start ahead of Osimhen if it comes to the next game? Second, if it comes to two strikers would you automatically play him based on what you have seen? And with whom and why? Please explain and let us know why.
I just do not think for Lookman, that it is that automatic for Nigeria. We have had this before in our history. Remember, we had Akpoborire tearing up Europe and yet? We had Owibokiri tear up as well at club level. Ikpeba won AFOY but yet was not a sure starter for Nigeria. You have to begin to understand that club and nation are different.
Making things more complicated is that, if you noticed, Finidi has used wingback wide and not wing forwards. What tgat means is that Lookman must play centrally for space.
Moreover, while Lookman has actually done better than the examples of the two earlier examples that I mention, the point is that club football is not exactly same as national team. He must be judged by what he does at the nt level where he competes with several others and only one of them - Osimhen - at the moment, is consideted indispensable. Lookman and Boniface are not for Nigeria.
The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
EII, with this your analysis, my question back to you is that do you still stand by your assertion that Lookman is easily disposable? Or you don’t understand the meaning?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:56 amDammy,Dammy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:02 amLookman was our top goal scorer at AFCON and contributed with the form by scoring in the March friendlies yet you said he was easily disposable. How lately can that be?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:21 amYep, I was excited for him but not now. Same for every player. Excited now about Osimhen and Iwobi but when they fade, my excitement will also fade. However, for me they are currently the two most stable Nigerian players without a good replacement. Felt like that for Ndidi back then but not anymore. Bet on it. My take is simply based on what has a player done lately.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:08 am In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.Dammy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:28 pmExcept it’s a home based player like Anayo Iwuala, who you were hyping on his debut and has since moved to Esperance Tunis where he couldn’t cut the mustard and has been cut loose!
Let me ask you this:
Given Lookman's play would you have him start ahead of Osimhen if it comes to the next game? Second, if it comes to two strikers would you automatically play him based on what you have seen? And with whom and why? Please explain and let us know why.
I just do not think for Lookman, that it is that automatic for Nigeria. We have had this before in our history. Remember, we had Akpoborire tearing up Europe and yet? We had Owibokiri tear up as well at club level. Ikpeba won AFOY but yet was not a sure starter for Nigeria. You have to begin to understand that club and nation are different.
Making things more complicated is that, if you noticed, Finidi has used wingback wide and not wing forwards. What tgat means is that Lookman must play centrally for space.
Moreover, while Lookman has actually done better than the examples of the two earlier examples that I mention, the point is that club football is not exactly same as national team. He must be judged by what he does at the nt level where he competes with several others and only one of them - Osimhen - at the moment, is consideted indispensable. Lookman and Boniface are not for Nigeria.
When you say easily disposable, it means that we can easily replace him like for like, do you still believe that?
I am happy
Re: Lookman and Boniface: Focusing on SE output.....
Lookman is replaceable just like most SE players bar Osimhen and Iwobi. I have already stated that and should not be going round and round on that. Is Lookman having a great year with Nigeria? Yes. However, he has to do more before I elevate him to the status of those two - Osimhen and Iwobi. Right now, he is not an untouchable. Now, bear in mind that whatever you do with your club barely counts for me except if you replicate it with the SE on consistent basis. Lookman did replicate his club form this year with SE and I gave him kudos right after the first AFCON game when he neither assisted or scored. His 110 effort was all it took for me to acknowledge that. But should I elevate him to status of Osimhen and Iwobi for the SE? Nah. Not yet. Need to see more in an SE shirt.Dammy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:37 pmEII, with this your analysis, my question back to you is that do you still stand by your assertion that Lookman is easily disposable? Or you don’t understand the meaning?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:56 amDammy,Dammy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:02 amLookman was our top goal scorer at AFCON and contributed with the form by scoring in the March friendlies yet you said he was easily disposable. How lately can that be?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:21 amYep, I was excited for him but not now. Same for every player. Excited now about Osimhen and Iwobi but when they fade, my excitement will also fade. However, for me they are currently the two most stable Nigerian players without a good replacement. Felt like that for Ndidi back then but not anymore. Bet on it. My take is simply based on what has a player done lately.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:08 am In all the years that I have been on this forum, never seen Prof. as excited about a player as he was with this fellow. Sad he got cut though.
Let me ask you this:
Given Lookman's play would you have him start ahead of Osimhen if it comes to the next game? Second, if it comes to two strikers would you automatically play him based on what you have seen? And with whom and why? Please explain and let us know why.
I just do not think for Lookman, that it is that automatic for Nigeria. We have had this before in our history. Remember, we had Akpoborire tearing up Europe and yet? We had Owibokiri tear up as well at club level. Ikpeba won AFOY but yet was not a sure starter for Nigeria. You have to begin to understand that club and nation are different.
Making things more complicated is that, if you noticed, Finidi has used wingback wide and not wing forwards. What tgat means is that Lookman must play centrally for space.
Moreover, while Lookman has actually done better than the examples of the two earlier examples that I mention, the point is that club football is not exactly same as national team. He must be judged by what he does at the nt level where he competes with several others and only one of them - Osimhen - at the moment, is consideted indispensable. Lookman and Boniface are not for Nigeria.
When you say easily disposable, it means that we can easily replace him like for like, do you still believe that?
The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics