Hatem Ben Arfa suffers broken leg, Newcastle confirm

[bamenda boy]

Do you know another good player who as not broken someones leg yet? Essien. Yes, Micheal Essien. There is a very dirty side to his beautiful game that just makes go what the? Believe me, i have seen Essien give some career ending tackles on people.

The Essien tacle on Diaby should have been a red card. He was lucky he did not break Diaby's ankles.

And I am not even talking about that. I saw Essien intentially try to break Alex Songs legs two ANCs ago. And i have seen worse from him. A very scary side of our beloved Essien.

You will only see it when it is against a Camerounian. What about camerounians who broke other player's legs?

I paid attention to that one in particular because it kept Song out of the finals in a tournament where he was 'arguably' one of the best players!

[Waffiman]

There's no place for enforcers like Henry and De Jong as the broken bones add up

By GRAHAM POLL

Last updated at 12:16 PM on 4th October 2010

How often after a player suffers a broken leg do we hear that the tackler 'is not that sort of player'?
There are plenty of 'those sort of players' around and a few have been involved in bad injuries already this season. None were sent off and if they are left unchecked, they could cause further serious problems.

Manchester City's enforcer Nigel De Jong and Wolves' newly-styled hardman Karl Henry are both tackling in a way which is designed to 'let a player know he's there'.

Delivered with excessive force and often made while airborne and unable to pull out of that challenge if it becomes clear that the ball has gone.

Even when the ball is played - there is often a follow through which appears intended to 'leave a mark' on an opponent, either physically or psychologically.

Neither studio pundit for ESPN - Kevin Keegan and Nicky Butt - thought that there was anything wrong with De Jong's challenge on Hatem Ben Arfa.

This was despite the show's presenter Ray Stubbs rightly highlighting that the second leg wrapped around Ben Arfa, causing his leg to break.

I fully understand Butt seeing the tackle from his viewpoint he has but Keegan really should be opposed to a player who intends to 'let Ben Arfa know he's there.'

I am sure that Xabi Alonso knew that De Jong was there in the World Cup final when he planted six studs - kung-fu style - into his chest.

Meanwhile, how lucky was Wigan's Jordi Gomez to escape unscathed after what can only be described as an assault from Henry on Saturday?

Referee Lee Mason rightly dismissed Henry but that would not have saved Gomez from serious injury.

It was refreshing to hear an honest appraisal of a poor tackle by his own manager and Mick McCarthy accepted Henry's culpability.

'I've no argument at all with the red card,' said the popular Wolves boss. 'It's ill-judged, it's mistimed - it's very theatrical.'

I am not sure about the 'theatrical' aspect but let's be grateful that a manager accepts his players guilt. McCarthy also said that he would be talking to Henry about his tackling this week. He must ensure that the pace is reduced and the control increased.

Of course, referees should never pre-judge players but should prepare fully and research the style which these hard men adopt. While all managers - and not just Mick McCarthy - need to look at their 'enforcers' who ignore the duty of care all players must exercise towards their fellow professionals.

Three broken legs in a season is too many and we are only seven match days into this season.


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[spastic]

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Again I have watched this video 14 times. I see a guy coming in with a slide tackle.. Neither of his legs was higher than the size of the ball, his studs were not out, and he did get the ball. look folks slide tackles have a higher chance of leading to injury, no matter how it is delivered. That tackle on Holden was fair, albeit hard. It is no different from slide tackles I have seen that young Arsenal kid out out this season. If you really want to reduce injuries, the key is to ban slide tackles all together.

Not this fallacious belief, that some slide tackles that clearly does the job slide tackles are supposed to do, and are done in the way slide tackles are supposed to be administered (from the front, on the ball, and studs not showing), but unfortunately injures the player, is somehow different from others.

If you really want to avoid slide tackle injuries, BAN fricking slide tackles The clip on Holden's heels, his slight stumble and his bodies positioning at the time of impact between him and De Jong had as much to do with why he got injured as did the slide tackle itself. So save the fathom fury for those who buy into the bullshit!!

I was watching Juventuss v. City at one point both Zabaletta and Grygera went in for a slide tackle at the same time trying to kee possession of a loose ball. The violent clatter that ensued after they both went in sliding at full speed, was applauded by all and sundry for their industry. Zaba came up the worst, getting the air knocked out of him as the slide collision turned Gygera over with his boot ending up in Zaba's mid section and face. They both walked away. There were no cautions, warnings, stoppages or worried looks. Why? Coz the attempts were within the rules.

You want to stop slide tackle injuries, then ban slide tackles

All the other talk of trying to slice and differentialte between your slide tacklers and those of others, is bullshaite


And I ain't having it

[maceo4]

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Again I have watched this video 14 times. I see a guy coming in with a slide tackle.. Neither of his legs was higher than the size of the ball, his studs were not out, and he did get the ball. look folks slide tackles have a higher chance of leading to injury, no matter how it is delivered. That tackle on Holden was fair, albeit hard. It is no different from slide tackles I have seen that young Arsenal kid out out this season. If you really want to reduce injuries, the key is to ban slide tackles all together.

Not this fallacious belief, that some slide tackles that clearly does the job slide tackles are supposed to do, and are done in the way slide tackles are supposed to be administered (from the front, on the ball, and studs not showing), but unfortunately injures the player, is somehow different from others.

If you really want to avoid slide tackle injuries, BAN fricking slide tackles The clip on Holden's heels, his slight stumble and his bodies positioning at the time of impact between him and De Jong had as much to do with why he got injured as did the slide tackle itself. So save the fathom fury for those who buy into the bullshit!!

I was watching Juventuss v. City at one point both Zabaletta and Grygera went in for a slide tackle at the same time trying to kee possession of a loose ball. The violent clatter that ensued after they both went in sliding at full speed, was applauded by all and sundry for their industry. Zaba came up the worst, getting the air knocked out of him as the slide collision turned Gygera over with his boot ending up in Zaba's mid section and face. They both walked away. There were no cautions, warnings, stoppages or worried looks. Why? Coz the attempts were within the rules.

You want to stop slide tackle injuries, then ban slide tackles

All the other talk of trying to slice and differentialte between your slide tacklers and those of others, is bullshaite


And I ain't having it

All DM's slide tackle, but somehow De Jong own seem to break legs at a higher rate than other DM's...you didn't see what he and van Bommel were doing at the world cup? They are rather dirty players!

[Waffiman]

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Again I have watched this video 14 times. I see a guy coming in with a slide tackle.. Neither of his legs was higher than the size of the ball, his studs were not out, and he did get the ball. look folks slide tackles have a higher chance of leading to injury, no matter how it is delivered. That tackle on Holden was fair, albeit hard. It is no different from slide tackles I have seen that young Arsenal kid out out this season. If you really want to reduce injuries, the key is to ban slide tackles all together.

Not this fallacious belief, that some slide tackles that clearly does the job slide tackles are supposed to do, and are done in the way slide tackles are supposed to be administered (from the front, on the ball, and studs not showing), but unfortunately injures the player, is somehow different from others.

If you really want to avoid slide tackle injuries, BAN fricking slide tackles The clip on Holden's heels, his slight stumble and his bodies positioning at the time of impact between him and De Jong had as much to do with why he got injured as did the slide tackle itself. So save the fathom fury for those who buy into the bullshit!!

I was watching Juventuss v. City at one point both Zabaletta and Grygera went in for a slide tackle at the same time trying to kee possession of a loose ball. The violent clatter that ensued after they both went in sliding at full speed, was applauded by all and sundry for their industry. Zaba came up the worst, getting the air knocked out of him as the slide collision turned Gygera over with his boot ending up in Zaba's mid section and face. They both walked away. There were no cautions, warnings, stoppages or worried looks. Why? Coz the attempts were within the rules.

You want to stop slide tackle injuries, then ban slide tackles

All the other talk of trying to slice and differentialte between your slide tacklers and those of others, is bullshaite


And I ain't having it

Stop this nonsense. Do you really know the rules about such tackles? Go read your FIFA manual, you need it.

You really are making a mugu of your self here. There is a huge difference between a tackle and a reckless tackle. None of the tackles by De Jong above were legal according to the rules of the game. Also good tackles, do not break legs. We have two broken legs and you are actually trying to defend it.

[Mr. Piffington]

Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.

[spastic]

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Again I have watched this video 14 times. I see a guy coming in with a slide tackle.. Neither of his legs was higher than the size of the ball, his studs were not out, and he did get the ball. look folks slide tackles have a higher chance of leading to injury, no matter how it is delivered. That tackle on Holden was fair, albeit hard. It is no different from slide tackles I have seen that young Arsenal kid out out this season. If you really want to reduce injuries, the key is to ban slide tackles all together.

Not this fallacious belief, that some slide tackles that clearly does the job slide tackles are supposed to do, and are done in the way slide tackles are supposed to be administered (from the front, on the ball, and studs not showing), but unfortunately injures the player, is somehow different from others.

If you really want to avoid slide tackle injuries, BAN fricking slide tackles The clip on Holden's heels, his slight stumble and his bodies positioning at the time of impact between him and De Jong had as much to do with why he got injured as did the slide tackle itself. So save the fathom fury for those who buy into the bullshit!!

I was watching Juventuss v. City at one point both Zabaletta and Grygera went in for a slide tackle at the same time trying to kee possession of a loose ball. The violent clatter that ensued after they both went in sliding at full speed, was applauded by all and sundry for their industry. Zaba came up the worst, getting the air knocked out of him as the slide collision turned Gygera over with his boot ending up in Zaba's mid section and face. They both walked away. There were no cautions, warnings, stoppages or worried looks. Why? Coz the attempts were within the rules.

You want to stop slide tackle injuries, then ban slide tackles

All the other talk of trying to slice and differentialte between your slide tacklers and those of others, is bullshaite


And I ain't having it

All DM's slide tackle, but somehow De Jong own seem to break legs at a higher rate than other DM's...you didn't see what he and van Bommel were doing at the world cup? They are rather dirty players!

By a higher rate, you mean he has been involved in 2 incidents that unfortunately led to injury, right.? Both were unfortunate. Clearlyt if the Football world were truly interested in cleaning up bad tackles, they'd ban slide tackles in general. I keep telling folks, thee is no such thing as a good slide tackle. Or a slide tackle that does not use excess force. The art of Slide tackling is what is dangerous. The pretense by mugus like Waffiman, believing they can differentiate, is the real problem here. And it is why players will continue to get injured. And these dummies will pick on their flavor of the month.

Arsenal fans are particularly big on this kind of idiocy. Did you see Bendtner's slide tackle on Adebayor, Van kitty cat's slide tackle on Adebayor, Traore and his buddy's slde tackle on Nani, Kosciensly's slide tackle on Anelka, Barry's slide tackle on Van kitty cat when he scored against City?

These are al examples of injury causing acts that were not flagged. The slide tackle by nature is attempted with a running start and then a lunge onto the ground, sliding on sour back to reach a ball before the attacking player does. The rule forbids you from going in from the side or behind where you can't be seen by the attacking player. It forbids you from showing your studs (the thinking here being that when you show your studs it gives you the leverage to administer extra force in your stamp_ And then in a ridiculous attempt it adds this unquantifiable dimension of (careless, reckless or excessive force).

Ignoring the fact that all slide tackles are careless (in that the player is farther away than he needs to be to get to the ball, and his only recourse is to slide to get there)
Again, all Slide tackles are reckless (in that you are being proppelled by the force of gravity and cannot change, stop or reduce your momentum once you've activated it)
It is reckless (in that once in the slide tackle act, you cannot control your momentum nor protect yourself from any reaction by the opposing player (see Adebayor's after slide face stamp)

The goal here should be an attempt to ban this unnecessary tool of the game. But mugus like Waffiman will rather pick on plck on players

[maceo4]

Spaz, if you say there is nothing like a good slide tackle then I dunno if I follow you at all. There are slide tackles that take ALL of the ball and NONE of the man...how can those not be good slide tackles? You lost me a little there.

[spastic]

Spaz, if you say there is nothing like a good slide tackle then I dunno if I follow you at all. There are slide tackles that take ALL of the ball and NONE of the man...how can those not be good slide tackles? You lost me a little there.

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Here is a video on good and bad slide tackles, on the ones deemed good, notice the actions of the attacker. It is one of avoidance. Meaning often the difference between a good and a bad slide tackle, is the action of the attacking player. Whether he believes he can slip the ball and escape the man before the tackle arrives or not. It is seldom if ever the action of the sliding player that is of relevance, but that of the player being slid

Here is another video of players performing legal and applauded slide tackles. Pay attention to the attacker in most of those clips. Notice what causes the avoidance of injury. It is certainly NOT the perfect form being shown by the slide tacklers
The reason why 90% of those in this video are not on crutches is because they were 1) Lucky 2) Backed off 3) jumped out of the way..e.t.c. I am yet to see a nondangerous slide tackle. The best slide tackle I ever saw was performed by Maldini. He slid smoothly to the ball and cupped it with his leg to retain possesion. You could not perform a better slide and collect than that. But the only reason that was so beautiful, was coz the guy he dispossesed chose to jump over the whole performance. Had he gone in to try to nick the vall away, Maldini's foot and body would have gone thru him nd probably broken something. It is a tackle that will 95% of the time injure any player who attempts to attack the tackle.
When a standing player sticks his leg out to complete a standing tackle, even if he misses, 90% of the time the wosrt he does is foul the attacker. who can easily get up and continue. When a player on the other hand completes a slide tackle, no matter how perfectly it was administered, the attacking player MUST jump out of the way or stay off his feet to avoid injury. Yet there are those who want slide tackling in the game, but want to point out specific slide tacklers. It is the greatest shjow of Hypocrisy this side of the Nigerian Elections
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Another series of great slide tacklking
Now compare all those slide tackles in the above video to the one that broke Holden's leg, and please tell me the difference

[spastic]

Is this a good slide tackle?
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Here is another series of supposed good slide tackles. Most of which were completed without a hitch. But can you show me how the form is different from that that broke holden's leg
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I still can't see it The only difference, often is the decision of the attacking player.

[Coach]

Seldom will you find a player who walk on to the field with the intention of breaking a fellow professionals leg. Its all too easy to castigate De Jong and those alike for their tough tackling, but less we not forget, the tough tackle is every bit as part of the game as the stepover and feint. De Jong is of the old breed, in spite of his youth he plays the old generation game. Every tackle is seen as a 50-50 and omne seeks to assume the upperhand. Theres many cut from similar clothe. Catermole, Karl Henry, Palacios, Whelan, Darren Fletcher likes a tackle and Terry's a goer. They play on the fringes of legality, but to suggest any tackles with anything more than the ball in mind is nonsense. Yes, it can be argued that excessive force is applied and perhaps with greater force comes less control, but intent, no. The hardman is a prerequiste for success. Keane and Stam; Keown, Veira, Lauren. The latter three were as full blooded as any other. It wasnt a problem then and shoukldn't be a problem now. Ben Arfa's break is unfortunate, but to label De Jong anything other than an old school 'up and at em' is ridiculous. There are those that like to battle and those that favour finese. Less we not forget, football is a contact sport. If any amongst you are fans of rugby, you'd fast realise breaks and tears are inevitabilities in such arenas where contest comes with full contact. The Dutch coach's reaction is more 'protection' than 'penalty'. Holland need De Jong just as much as Man City and he's being taken out of the spotlight by his national team manager and rightly so. Question, in Ben Arfa got up straight after the tackle and completed the full ninety minutes, would we be having this discussion?...Oh and lets not forget Africa's own Michael 'bout it, bout it' Essien from that list.

[txj]

This is frankly idiotic! U should really know better.
How do you know his intent? Are u somehow in his head, or perhaps sniffing up his ar$e? #$%$ intent, its the result that matters, and in this case a pattern of results!
Many of these thugs masquerading as footballers will not survive a season anywhere else in europe!

Seldom will you find a player who walk on to the field with the intention of breaking a fellow professionals leg. Its all too easy to castigate De Jong and those alike for their tough tackling, but less we not forget, the tough tackle is every bit as part of the game as the stepover and feint. De Jong is of the old breed, in spite of his youth he plays the old generation game. Every tackle is seen as a 50-50 and omne seeks to assume the upperhand. Theres many cut from similar clothe. Catermole, Karl Henry, Palacios, Whelan, Darren Fletcher likes a tackle and Terry's a goer. They play on the fringes of legality, but to suggest any tackles with anything more than the ball in mind is nonsense. Yes, it can be argued that excessive force is applied and perhaps with greater force comes less control, but intent, no. The hardman is a prerequiste for success. Keane and Stam; Keown, Veira, Lauren. The latter three were as full blooded as any other. It wasnt a problem then and shoukldn't be a problem now. Ben Arfa's break is unfortunate, but to label De Jong anything other than an old school 'up and at em' is ridiculous. There are those that like to battle and those that favour finese. Less we not forget, football is a contact sport. If any amongst you are fans of rugby, you'd fast realise breaks and tears are inevitabilities in such arenas where contest comes with full contact. The Dutch coach's reaction is more 'protection' than 'penalty'. Holland need De Jong just as much as Man City and he's being taken out of the spotlight by his national team manager and rightly so. Question, in Ben Arfa got up straight after the tackle and completed the full ninety minutes, would we be having this discussion?...Oh and lets not forget Africa's own Michael 'bout it, bout it' Essien from that list.

[txj]

If this is a slide tackle, then you don't know what a slide is, much less a tackle! Its an over the top tackle and u can clearly see De Jong off his feet in a lunge at Holden...

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Again I have watched this video 14 times. I see a guy coming in with a slide tackle.. Neither of his legs was higher than the size of the ball, his studs were not out, and he did get the ball. look folks slide tackles have a higher chance of leading to injury, no matter how it is delivered. That tackle on Holden was fair, albeit hard. It is no different from slide tackles I have seen that young Arsenal kid out out this season. If you really want to reduce injuries, the key is to ban slide tackles all together.

Not this fallacious belief, that some slide tackles that clearly does the job slide tackles are supposed to do, and are done in the way slide tackles are supposed to be administered (from the front, on the ball, and studs not showing), but unfortunately injures the player, is somehow different from others.

If you really want to avoid slide tackle injuries, BAN fricking slide tackles The clip on Holden's heels, his slight stumble and his bodies positioning at the time of impact between him and De Jong had as much to do with why he got injured as did the slide tackle itself. So save the fathom fury for those who buy into the bullshit!!

I was watching Juventuss v. City at one point both Zabaletta and Grygera went in for a slide tackle at the same time trying to kee possession of a loose ball. The violent clatter that ensued after they both went in sliding at full speed, was applauded by all and sundry for their industry. Zaba came up the worst, getting the air knocked out of him as the slide collision turned Gygera over with his boot ending up in Zaba's mid section and face. They both walked away. There were no cautions, warnings, stoppages or worried looks. Why? Coz the attempts were within the rules.

You want to stop slide tackle injuries, then ban slide tackles

All the other talk of trying to slice and differentialte between your slide tacklers and those of others, is bullshaite


And I ain't having it

All DM's slide tackle, but somehow De Jong own seem to break legs at a higher rate than other DM's...you didn't see what he and van Bommel were doing at the world cup? They are rather dirty players!

By a higher rate, you mean he has been involved in 2 incidents that unfortunately led to injury, right.? Both were unfortunate. Clearlyt if the Football world were truly interested in cleaning up bad tackles, they'd ban slide tackles in general. I keep telling folks, thee is no such thing as a good slide tackle. Or a slide tackle that does not use excess force. The art of Slide tackling is what is dangerous. The pretense by mugus like Waffiman, believing they can differentiate, is the real problem here. And it is why players will continue to get injured. And these dummies will pick on their flavor of the month.

Arsenal fans are particularly big on this kind of idiocy. Did you see Bendtner's slide tackle on Adebayor, Van kitty cat's slide tackle on Adebayor, Traore and his buddy's slde tackle on Nani, Kosciensly's slide tackle on Anelka, Barry's slide tackle on Van kitty cat when he scored against City?

These are al examples of injury causing acts that were not flagged. The slide tackle by nature is attempted with a running start and then a lunge onto the ground, sliding on sour back to reach a ball before the attacking player does. The rule forbids you from going in from the side or behind where you can't be seen by the attacking player. It forbids you from showing your studs (the thinking here being that when you show your studs it gives you the leverage to administer extra force in your stamp_ And then in a ridiculous attempt it adds this unquantifiable dimension of (careless, reckless or excessive force).

Ignoring the fact that all slide tackles are careless (in that the player is farther away than he needs to be to get to the ball, and his only recourse is to slide to get there)
Again, all Slide tackles are reckless (in that you are being proppelled by the force of gravity and cannot change, stop or reduce your momentum once you've activated it)
It is reckless (in that once in the slide tackle act, you cannot control your momentum nor protect yourself from any reaction by the opposing player (see Adebayor's after slide face stamp)

The goal here should be an attempt to ban this unnecessary tool of the game. But mugus like Waffiman will rather pick on plck on players

[The YeyeMan]

spastic, don't defend that assault. Or do, but most will have a lesser opinion of you.

PS: EPL refs are largely..... wack.

[Waffiman]

Hypocrisy abounds over De Jong, yet maybe something might finally get done

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to talk about today, to be honest, after the last few days I'm feeling the need for a break so blogging might be slightly erratic over the next week.

Might.

It's never a good sign when I'm rambling this early.

The main talking point in a lot of places has been 'that' De Jong challenge. The hypocrisy of the media has been in full swing as they gleefully highlight his past 'crimes' something they couldn't be begged to do when it came to Shawcross and who has just as bad (if not worse) litany of offences. In no other walk of life is assault protected like this.

To add further insult to the whole Shawcross farce, Liverpool are reported to be sniffing around him, and while there's every chance they will be a bottom half team this year, it would still be a promotion. Added to the England call-up he got on the evening of the assault on Aaron and it seems if you're English the quickest way to success could be through the bones of your fellow professionals.

Contrast the English reaction of 'he's not that kind of player' and how can we rally around the poor soul who committed the challenge with that of the Dutch who have kicked De Jong out of the national side as punishment for his disgraceful tackle. What that means is that maybe, just maybe, players will think about making that sort of tackle if it is going to affect their futures. In England, that couldn't be further from the truth. Thuggery is lauded and 'letting him know you are there' is the standard excuse handed out to excuse the inexcusable.

Three broken legs after seven rounds of matches says something is very much up, and it is only by good fortune that Diaby wasn't added to that list of broken players.

It's a disgrace, but I do feel it will take one of England's darlings to have their leg smashed before something is actually done about it. Knowing our luck, it will probably be Jack.

Pah.

I do love the fact that, once again, something Wenger has been vilified for protesting about is starting to bite home at other clubs. Not that I want to see people injured, but if you'd actually bothered your ignorant little arses listening to Wenger instead of making up what you thought he said and ridiculing him for it you might have a few players able to walk who currently can't.

It seems that Newcastle have asked the FA "for the appropriate action to be taken against Nigel De Jong" as they say the tackle on Ben Arfa "was unnecessary and used excessive force."If the FA act on this, which they rightly should, yet refused to act on the Robinson tackle there are going to be some seriously angry Gooners, and I am going to be leading them.

Double pah.

Will Man City demand an apology for the slight on De Jong's name by Newcastle saying his tackle was excessive and reckless? Will they be accused of trying to kill the Dutchman's career?

I doubt it.

In other news there seems to be a host of transfer stories around today, but as it is just barely October I'm not going to bother with any of them. Silly season will be here soon enough, why torment ourselves now? I will say that anyone hoping we will get a keeper in January is in for a massive disappointment as I don't see one coming unless Flappy returns to his flappy ways, even then we'd probably just reinstate the Spanish Waiter. I know it has only been two games, but Fab is heading in the right direction and that can only be a good thing for both club and player.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. I've a nephew who got out of the hospital to go and see. Yep, I'm still totally smitten.

[Globero]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to talk about today, to be honest, after the last few days I'm feeling the need for a break so blogging might be slightly erratic over the next week.

No be by force to talk now !

[The YeyeMan]

Hypocrisy abounds over De Jong, yet maybe something might finally get done

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to talk about today, to be honest, after the last few days I'm feeling the need for a break so blogging might be slightly erratic over the next week.

Might.

It's never a good sign when I'm rambling this early.

The main talking point in a lot of places has been 'that' De Jong challenge. The hypocrisy of the media has been in full swing as they gleefully highlight his past 'crimes' something they couldn't be begged to do when it came to Shawcross and who has just as bad (if not worse) litany of offences. In no other walk of life is assault protected like this.

To add further insult to the whole Shawcross farce, Liverpool are reported to be sniffing around him, and while there's every chance they will be a bottom half team this year, it would still be a promotion. Added to the England call-up he got on the evening of the assault on Aaron and it seems if you're English the quickest way to success could be through the bones of your fellow professionals.

Contrast the English reaction of 'he's not that kind of player' and how can we rally around the poor soul who committed the challenge with that of the Dutch who have kicked De Jong out of the national side as punishment for his disgraceful tackle. What that means is that maybe, just maybe, players will think about making that sort of tackle if it is going to affect their futures. In England, that couldn't be further from the truth. Thuggery is lauded and 'letting him know you are there' is the standard excuse handed out to excuse the inexcusable.

Three broken legs after seven rounds of matches says something is very much up, and it is only by good fortune that Diaby wasn't added to that list of broken players.

It's a disgrace, but I do feel it will take one of England's darlings to have their leg smashed before something is actually done about it. Knowing our luck, it will probably be Jack.

Pah.

I do love the fact that, once again, something Wenger has been vilified for protesting about is starting to bite home at other clubs. Not that I want to see people injured, but if you'd actually bothered your ignorant little arses listening to Wenger instead of making up what you thought he said and ridiculing him for it you might have a few players able to walk who currently can't.

It seems that Newcastle have asked the FA "for the appropriate action to be taken against Nigel De Jong" as they say the tackle on Ben Arfa "was unnecessary and used excessive force."If the FA act on this, which they rightly should, yet refused to act on the Robinson tackle there are going to be some seriously angry Gooners, and I am going to be leading them.

Double pah.

Will Man City demand an apology for the slight on De Jong's name by Newcastle saying his tackle was excessive and reckless? Will they be accused of trying to kill the Dutchman's career?

I doubt it.

In other news there seems to be a host of transfer stories around today, but as it is just barely October I'm not going to bother with any of them. Silly season will be here soon enough, why torment ourselves now? I will say that anyone hoping we will get a keeper in January is in for a massive disappointment as I don't see one coming unless Flappy returns to his flappy ways, even then we'd probably just reinstate the Spanish Waiter. I know it has only been two games, but Fab is heading in the right direction and that can only be a good thing for both club and player.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. I've a nephew who got out of the hospital to go and see. Yep, I'm still totally smitten.

Sauce??????????

[felarey]

We may say DeJong's intent was not to break a leg but definitely it was to go hard, real hard on the player to intimidate him. I've experienced such tackles before and such thugs usually like to do it early on in the game. It was by no means an accident and he has now broken two legs in six months.

[Tunisian Gooner]

Hypocrisy abounds over De Jong, yet maybe something might finally get done

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to talk about today, to be honest, after the last few days I'm feeling the need for a break so blogging might be slightly erratic over the next week.

Might.

It's never a good sign when I'm rambling this early.

The main talking point in a lot of places has been 'that' De Jong challenge. The hypocrisy of the media has been in full swing as they gleefully highlight his past 'crimes' something they couldn't be begged to do when it came to Shawcross and who has just as bad (if not worse) litany of offences. In no other walk of life is assault protected like this.

To add further insult to the whole Shawcross farce, Liverpool are reported to be sniffing around him, and while there's every chance they will be a bottom half team this year, it would still be a promotion. Added to the England call-up he got on the evening of the assault on Aaron and it seems if you're English the quickest way to success could be through the bones of your fellow professionals.

Contrast the English reaction of 'he's not that kind of player' and how can we rally around the poor soul who committed the challenge with that of the Dutch who have kicked De Jong out of the national side as punishment for his disgraceful tackle. What that means is that maybe, just maybe, players will think about making that sort of tackle if it is going to affect their futures. In England, that couldn't be further from the truth. Thuggery is lauded and 'letting him know you are there' is the standard excuse handed out to excuse the inexcusable.

Three broken legs after seven rounds of matches says something is very much up, and it is only by good fortune that Diaby wasn't added to that list of broken players.

It's a disgrace, but I do feel it will take one of England's darlings to have their leg smashed before something is actually done about it. Knowing our luck, it will probably be Jack.

Pah.

I do love the fact that, once again, something Wenger has been vilified for protesting about is starting to bite home at other clubs. Not that I want to see people injured, but if you'd actually bothered your ignorant little arses listening to Wenger instead of making up what you thought he said and ridiculing him for it you might have a few players able to walk who currently can't.

It seems that Newcastle have asked the FA "for the appropriate action to be taken against Nigel De Jong" as they say the tackle on Ben Arfa "was unnecessary and used excessive force."If the FA act on this, which they rightly should, yet refused to act on the Robinson tackle there are going to be some seriously angry Gooners, and I am going to be leading them.

Double pah.

Will Man City demand an apology for the slight on De Jong's name by Newcastle saying his tackle was excessive and reckless? Will they be accused of trying to kill the Dutchman's career?

I doubt it.

In other news there seems to be a host of transfer stories around today, but as it is just barely October I'm not going to bother with any of them. Silly season will be here soon enough, why torment ourselves now? I will say that anyone hoping we will get a keeper in January is in for a massive disappointment as I don't see one coming unless Flappy returns to his flappy ways, even then we'd probably just reinstate the Spanish Waiter. I know it has only been two games, but Fab is heading in the right direction and that can only be a good thing for both club and player.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. I've a nephew who got out of the hospital to go and see. Yep, I'm still totally smitten.

Sauce??????????

http://ladyarse.blogspot.com/

[Waffiman]

Hypocrisy abounds over De Jong, yet maybe something might finally get done

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to talk about today, to be honest, after the last few days I'm feeling the need for a break so blogging might be slightly erratic over the next week.

Might.

It's never a good sign when I'm rambling this early.

The main talking point in a lot of places has been 'that' De Jong challenge. The hypocrisy of the media has been in full swing as they gleefully highlight his past 'crimes' something they couldn't be begged to do when it came to Shawcross and who has just as bad (if not worse) litany of offences. In no other walk of life is assault protected like this.

To add further insult to the whole Shawcross farce, Liverpool are reported to be sniffing around him, and while there's every chance they will be a bottom half team this year, it would still be a promotion. Added to the England call-up he got on the evening of the assault on Aaron and it seems if you're English the quickest way to success could be through the bones of your fellow professionals.

Contrast the English reaction of 'he's not that kind of player' and how can we rally around the poor soul who committed the challenge with that of the Dutch who have kicked De Jong out of the national side as punishment for his disgraceful tackle. What that means is that maybe, just maybe, players will think about making that sort of tackle if it is going to affect their futures. In England, that couldn't be further from the truth. Thuggery is lauded and 'letting him know you are there' is the standard excuse handed out to excuse the inexcusable.

Three broken legs after seven rounds of matches says something is very much up, and it is only by good fortune that Diaby wasn't added to that list of broken players.

It's a disgrace, but I do feel it will take one of England's darlings to have their leg smashed before something is actually done about it. Knowing our luck, it will probably be Jack.

Pah.

I do love the fact that, once again, something Wenger has been vilified for protesting about is starting to bite home at other clubs. Not that I want to see people injured, but if you'd actually bothered your ignorant little arses listening to Wenger instead of making up what you thought he said and ridiculing him for it you might have a few players able to walk who currently can't.

It seems that Newcastle have asked the FA "for the appropriate action to be taken against Nigel De Jong" as they say the tackle on Ben Arfa "was unnecessary and used excessive force."If the FA act on this, which they rightly should, yet refused to act on the Robinson tackle there are going to be some seriously angry Gooners, and I am going to be leading them.

Double pah.

Will Man City demand an apology for the slight on De Jong's name by Newcastle saying his tackle was excessive and reckless? Will they be accused of trying to kill the Dutchman's career?

I doubt it.

In other news there seems to be a host of transfer stories around today, but as it is just barely October I'm not going to bother with any of them. Silly season will be here soon enough, why torment ourselves now? I will say that anyone hoping we will get a keeper in January is in for a massive disappointment as I don't see one coming unless Flappy returns to his flappy ways, even then we'd probably just reinstate the Spanish Waiter. I know it has only been two games, but Fab is heading in the right direction and that can only be a good thing for both club and player.

And that's where I'm going to leave it. I've a nephew who got out of the hospital to go and see. Yep, I'm still totally smitten.

Sauce??????????

http://ladyarse.blogspot.com/

Thanks TG.

[Coach]

@Txj, chillax, pop that Mirena back in.

Au contraire mon frere. Its all too easy to label the tackle that preceded the injury as malicious on knowing the extent of the damage inflicted. Point being made is, if Ben Arfa evaded injury, would not the topic of conversation be something else? No one is contesting that it was a bad tackle, but rather stating the obvious. There are those that commit themselves in their entirety and in doing so tread the thin line that separates the legitimate from the unjust. And others that do the opposite. Its common rhetoric amongst footballers, coaches, managers to encourage those on the field to impose themself on their opponent. Again, not to suggest its right, but rather to make reference to the universality of this approach. On how many occassions did we see Ashley Cole clad in Arsenal red scurry into the back of Cristiano Ronaldo? How many times was Reyes flattened by Gary Neville? Was it not Viera and Keane who's battery packs were wound up to burning point before being released on a head to head collision course? Was it not Keown who rough housed the free-scoring Van Nistelrooy time and time again?

...Anyone who's sat in a dressing room before a match and at the interval, at any level, will be familiar with the age old creeds, 'get in their face', 'let him know he's in a game', 'win the 50-50s' and so on. Again, not to suggest there is any less fault in the tackles that have come as a consequence of such parlance, but rather to state the obvious. Even Shawcross' hatchett job on Aaron Ramsey, as malicious, as malevolant as it was, how can any claim it was intentional. Yes the application of force and ferocity was every bit intended, but the outcome, unlikely so. The same for all the squirmishes above. There are those that play the old fashioned, full contact game and those that bask in the cotton-wools of the new era. Less we not forget however, football is a contact sport, just like rugby. In any arena in which contest ensues with full contact, injury is an inevitability. To brand De Jong et al thugs, is far too judgemental. Yes, they play on the cusps of the rule books, often over stepping the margin, but theres a difference between intent and inadvertence. One doubts very much whether any of the aforementioned have ever graced the field with the intention of 'breaking a leg', but the manner in which they play makes such eventualities all the more likely.

This is frankly idiotic! U should really know better.
How do you know his intent? Are u somehow in his head, or perhaps sniffing up his ar$e? #$%$ intent, its the result that matters, and in this case a pattern of results!
Many of these thugs masquerading as footballers will not survive a season anywhere else in europe!

Seldom will you find a player who walk on to the field with the intention of breaking a fellow professionals leg. Its all too easy to castigate De Jong and those alike for their tough tackling, but less we not forget, the tough tackle is every bit as part of the game as the stepover and feint. De Jong is of the old breed, in spite of his youth he plays the old generation game. Every tackle is seen as a 50-50 and omne seeks to assume the upperhand. Theres many cut from similar clothe. Catermole, Karl Henry, Palacios, Whelan, Darren Fletcher likes a tackle and Terry's a goer. They play on the fringes of legality, but to suggest any tackles with anything more than the ball in mind is nonsense. Yes, it can be argued that excessive force is applied and perhaps with greater force comes less control, but intent, no. The hardman is a prerequiste for success. Keane and Stam; Keown, Veira, Lauren. The latter three were as full blooded as any other. It wasnt a problem then and shoukldn't be a problem now. Ben Arfa's break is unfortunate, but to label De Jong anything other than an old school 'up and at em' is ridiculous. There are those that like to battle and those that favour finese. Less we not forget, football is a contact sport. If any amongst you are fans of rugby, you'd fast realise breaks and tears are inevitabilities in such arenas where contest comes with full contact. The Dutch coach's reaction is more 'protection' than 'penalty'. Holland need De Jong just as much as Man City and he's being taken out of the spotlight by his national team manager and rightly so. Question, in Ben Arfa got up straight after the tackle and completed the full ninety minutes, would we be having this discussion?...Oh and lets not forget Africa's own Michael 'bout it, bout it' Essien from that list.

[tolahs]

De Nas speaks:

"What strikes me is the refereeing. The referee saw Hatem Ben Arfa exit on a stretcher with an oxygen mask, yet he didn't punish de Jong. It's that which has to change in England," Nasri said on Eurosport.....
"Nigel de Jong has pedigree, a bit like [Mark] van Bommel. Referees should know that these players make foul tackles.....
"The tackle wasn't exactly like the one that Eduardo suffered against Birmingham, but it was a hard tackle, from the side."

"With the exception of one time, when (Joey) Barton tried to hack me down, players are not 'evil'," Nasri added.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 52,00.html

[txj]

Ur logic collapses at the foot of 'intent'.

I care very little what his intent was. That is between him and his God...I care instead about the results of his actions, in this case a pattern of action producing similar disastrous results. These guys are thugs, simple!

None of them is a harder man than Gattuso, Gentile or van Vranenburg. How many legs did they break?

Tackling is an art, in much the same manner as dribbling skills or passing skills. As Daniel Passarella once said, it is one of the last original means available to the defender. These english thugs make a mockery of the great defenders b/4 them..

To simply label their atrocity as part of a contact sport reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the defensive side of the game...

@Txj, chillax, pop that Mirena back in.

Au contraire mon frere. Its all too easy to label the tackle that preceded the injury as malicious on knowing the extent of the damage inflicted. Point being made is, if Ben Arfa evaded injury, would not the topic of conversation be something else? No one is contesting that it was a bad tackle, but rather stating the obvious. There are those that commit themselves in their entirety and in doing so tread the thin line that separates the legitimate from the unjust. And others that do the opposite. Its common rhetoric amongst footballers, coaches, managers to encourage those on the field to impose themself on their opponent. Again, not to suggest its right, but rather to make reference to the universality of this approach. On how many occassions did we see Ashley Cole clad in Arsenal red scurry into the back of Cristiano Ronaldo? How many times was Reyes flattened by Gary Neville? Was it not Viera and Keane who's battery packs were wound up to burning point before being released on a head to head collision course? Was it not Keown who rough housed the free-scoring Van Nistelrooy time and time again?

...Anyone who's sat in a dressing room before a match and at the interval, at any level, will be familiar with the age old creeds, 'get in their face', 'let him know he's in a game', 'win the 50-50s' and so on. Again, not to suggest there is any less fault in the tackles that have come as a consequence of such parlance, but rather to state the obvious. Even Shawcross' hatchett job on Aaron Ramsey, as malicious, as malevolant as it was, how can any claim it was intentional. Yes the application of force and ferocity was every bit intended, but the outcome, unlikely so. The same for all the squirmishes above. There are those that play the old fashioned, full contact game and those that bask in the cotton-wools of the new era. Less we not forget however, football is a contact sport, just like rugby. In any arena in which contest ensues with full contact, injury is an inevitability. To brand De Jong et al thugs, is far too judgemental. Yes, they play on the cusps of the rule books, often over stepping the margin, but theres a difference between intent and inadvertence. One doubts very much whether any of the aforementioned have ever graced the field with the intention of 'breaking a leg', but the manner in which they play makes such eventualities all the more likely.

This is frankly idiotic! U should really know better.
How do you know his intent? Are u somehow in his head, or perhaps sniffing up his ar$e? #$%$ intent, its the result that matters, and in this case a pattern of results!
Many of these thugs masquerading as footballers will not survive a season anywhere else in europe!

Seldom will you find a player who walk on to the field with the intention of breaking a fellow professionals leg. Its all too easy to castigate De Jong and those alike for their tough tackling, but less we not forget, the tough tackle is every bit as part of the game as the stepover and feint. De Jong is of the old breed, in spite of his youth he plays the old generation game. Every tackle is seen as a 50-50 and omne seeks to assume the upperhand. Theres many cut from similar clothe. Catermole, Karl Henry, Palacios, Whelan, Darren Fletcher likes a tackle and Terry's a goer. They play on the fringes of legality, but to suggest any tackles with anything more than the ball in mind is nonsense. Yes, it can be argued that excessive force is applied and perhaps with greater force comes less control, but intent, no. The hardman is a prerequiste for success. Keane and Stam; Keown, Veira, Lauren. The latter three were as full blooded as any other. It wasnt a problem then and shoukldn't be a problem now. Ben Arfa's break is unfortunate, but to label De Jong anything other than an old school 'up and at em' is ridiculous. There are those that like to battle and those that favour finese. Less we not forget, football is a contact sport. If any amongst you are fans of rugby, you'd fast realise breaks and tears are inevitabilities in such arenas where contest comes with full contact. The Dutch coach's reaction is more 'protection' than 'penalty'. Holland need De Jong just as much as Man City and he's being taken out of the spotlight by his national team manager and rightly so. Question, in Ben Arfa got up straight after the tackle and completed the full ninety minutes, would we be having this discussion?...Oh and lets not forget Africa's own Michael 'bout it, bout it' Essien from that list.