ON BLESSING KAKU'S AGE AND WORK PERMIT ELIGIBILITY

[Gotti]

CIC:
Here is the question and the complete response:
http://www.cybereagles.co.uk/interviews ... t.asp?id=4

Waffiboy: Could you please describe briefly to us your early years and how you came to be a footballer?

Efe Sodje: Well I was born in England Oct 5, 1972 in Greenwich London. I started playing football when my family moved back to Nigeria in August 1980; we lived in Benin City, then Bendel state for 2 years, and then moved to Warri Delta state. My Father is from Kokori, while my Mum is from Okpara. Both villages are in the Ethiope Local Government Area of Delta state.

I started playing for a club in Effurun called INVADER FC, then little Blessing Kaku was a member of the same team, we both left the club to play for another amateur side called CALORADO FC Effurun, after that , we both left to play for INVISIBLE LEOPARDS Warri. Yes! The same INVISIBLE LEOPARDS that Wilson Oruma played for. I spent a year there before we both move on to play professional football for Div 2 side called STEEL PIONEERS in Aladja. I left for STEEL PIONEERS for England in 1994.

[Waffiman]

cic, me wey present wey ask kweshion sabi wetin I ask and in what context I ask am. Sodje too wey answer sabi wetin him ansa and in what context. Person wey nor dey there naim don sabi pass all of us. Man!! The ITK wey dey for here just tire me.

I really am not interested in all this age nonsense. I just pray all this has had any impact on Blessing's failing a medical at Bolton. If it did, it is a crying shame.

[azuka]

a beg o, what is SPIV and gidi file. someone educate me.

[Waffiman]

a beg o, what is SPIV and gidi file. someone educate me.

A SPIV; a parasite who hangs around players looking to profit by instigating false or real moves.

An unlicensed person that claims to be an agent, who looks to profit off players with promises of transfers and deals.

[Gotti]

CIC:
Note that Sodje was merely asked about his "early years" and how he came to be a footballer....
He was not specifically asked about clubs....
He was not specifcally asked about Kaku....

Logic would dictate that after listing the obscure regional youth and amateur teams that he played on with Kaku in his "early years," the addition of his school team would not be an abhorrent deviation from that un-prompted listing....

Unless of course they did not play on the same secondary school team!

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Anyway, we have expended way too much energy on this side-issue. The fact is that I personally do NOT know if Kaku and Sodje played on the same school team. Nevertheless, it merely illustrates the inherent UNRELIABILITY of unverifiable anectodal evidence.

[Gotti]

cic, me wey present wey ask kweshion sabi wetin I ask and in what context I ask am. Sodje too wey answer sabi wetin him ansa and in what context. Person wey nor dey there naim don sabi pass all of us. Man!! The ITK wey dey for here just tire me...

You can speak Pidgin English until the cows come home, and it will still not change the RECORD!

I am sure that the former CIA Director could argue that when he said that the case for WMD in Iraq was "a slam dunk" that he was actually thinking that it would be a lam dunk only if such weapons were found....

Unfortunately, the verifiable RECORD states otherwise. I limit myself to the RECORD, not to what's rambling around your head.

[cic old boy]

Gotti: Thanks for that.

Sodje was asked about his early years, which he sort of responds to a bit - where he was born, etc. And how he became a footballer, and he proceeds to talk about the clubs he played for. It appears he has interpreted the question to refer to his early years as a footballer and is of the opinion that this excludes school football.

His answers fail to mention secondary school football, but it would be inconceivable to think he didn't play football at this level. If he can omit from his answer the fact that he played secondary school football, it is reasonable to conclude that it is possible that he did play at that level with Kaku and it was not necessary to mention it.

I'm not saying that he did, just saying that the evidence does not suggest that he didn't.

[Gotti]

CIC:
It is not impossible that Sodje actually played on the same team with Kaku (as I have already conceded above). It is simply ILLOGICAL that he would fail to mention it about embarking on an unprompted verbal spree of the various regional youth and amateur teams that he both played on with this one particular player.

Nevertheless, lets agree to disagree on that point.

[Waffiman]

I started playing for a club in Effurun called INVADER FC, then little Blessing Kaku was a member of the same team, we both left the club to play for another amateur side called CALORADO FC Effurun, after that , we both left to play for INVISIBLE LEOPARDS Warri. Yes! The same INVISIBLE LEOPARDS that Wilson Oruma played for. I spent a year there before we both move on to play professional football for Div 2 side called STEEL PIONEERS in Aladja. I left for STEEL PIONEERS for England in 1994.

The interview was about his career as a professional footballer, we were talking about club football only. Not once did we have a thing to do with secondary school football, so I do not know how secondary school football can be brought into this matter.

Sodje played secondary school football in Nigeria, he even played in the final of the Governor's cup. The interview has nothing to do with his secondary playing days.

[Africana]

From those statements above. You are the type who can be sold Tower bridge easily. Someone on the world wide web is telling you that he can prove a player's age. For some reason, you believe him without seeing any hard evidence.

How do you feel now, since Marsa's last post. In which Sodje himself refered to Kaku as "LITTLE"

For all I know all the information and facts we have been seeing on this forum is from the world wide web. Until I see a counter evidence then FM is right. Until now it is talk and very little evidence. Marsa uses a quote with the word 'LITTLE' and thats what you base your statement. What do u understand little to mean or betterstill did you see the hard evidence with the word little on it? [/quote]
Believe me, you will not recognize the facts when you see them. You, like other Kaku detractors are BLINDED by various motivations as far as this Kaku matter is concerned.

Use your tongue to count your teeth.

[Football Manager]

a beg o, what is SPIV and gidi file. someone educate me.

Asuka,
Waffiman has given the definition of a SPIV. Link to THE GIDI FILE you can find at the top of all the pages on CE. It is a short form for Nigerianplayers.com site.

[azuka]

azuka wrote:
a beg o, what is SPIV and gidi file. someone educate me.

A SPIV; a parasite who hangs around players looking to profit by instigating false or real moves.

An unlicensed person that claims to be an agent, who looks to profit off players with promises of transfers and deals.

Just like the Gruppies in Hip-Hop. Thank you Waffi and FM for increasing my vocabulary or is it slang. Me too go begin blow grammar like our attorney in the house.

[Sir V]

Most Nigerians will use the word "LITTLE" to describe someone small in size or younger. KAKU is not SMALL in size. So that rules his size out.

Akure4Life,
Have you ever visited the gidi file before? Wilson Oruma was described as:

A smallish player with good dribbling skills and vision.

The great Papa Camara was also known as the "Little Rat"

[TD]

CIC:
It is not impossible that Sodje actually played on the same team with Kaku (as I have already conceded above). It is simply ILLOGICAL that he would fail to mention it about embarking on an unprompted verbal spree of the various regional youth and amateur teams that he both played on with this one particular player.

Nevertheless, lets agree to disagree on that point.

Gotti hmnnn...,

As usual, you go argue to the death, even when it is clear to anyone with half a brain that you miss road well well.

[Africana]

Gotti hmnnn...,

As usual, you go argue to the death, even when it is clear to anyone with half a brain that you miss road well well.

This is probably the 10th time I am seeing those seeking to damage a specific player's career based on the figment of the imagination about a general problem insinuate that those who reject the baseless claims have half a brain.

If halving half a brain is to insist on logic and evidence, count me in.

People have failed to make a distinction between a general problem and a specific case. Short of concrete proof, insisting that Kaku falsified his age is nothing short of slander. But, then, what's new on Cybereagles?

[Gotti]

Gotti hmnnn...,

As usual, you go argue to the death, even when it is clear to anyone with half a brain that you miss road well well.

TD:
Thanks for explaining why it APPEARS "clear" to you....
Fortunately, those of us with a complete brain see it differently....
All the same, glad to see that you have finally decided to apply your half-brain to more than wanking off!

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[green4life]

FM is your classic Spiv... a bad dream that just won't go away.... Perhaps Kaku stole his girlfriend way back when.... or maybe, he beat him to the last piece of meat in secondary school boarding house.... either way he clearly has it bad for the big fella..... rather than folks being happy for a Nigerian brother (regardless of whether he plays for the eagles or not) for finding a decent job in the EPL, they do everything in their power to take him down. As Waffi mentioned, I just hope that no of this bullshit thread had anything to do with the brother 'failing a medical'. I feel terrible for Blessing.

[cic old boy]

This is probably the 10th time I am seeing those seeking to damage a specific player's career based on the figment of the imagination about a general problem insinuate that those who reject the baseless claims have half a brain.

If halving half a brain is to insist on logic and evidence, count me in.

People have failed to make a distinction between a general problem and a specific case. Short of concrete proof, insisting that Kaku falsified his age is nothing short of slander. But, then, what's new on Cybereagles?

For someone who insists on "logic and evidence", you have made some pretty damaging statements in the absence of "logic and evidence".

A few posts ago you said I made "preposterous" statements on this issue. I asked you to provide evidence of this. I am still waiting.

Now you claim people are "seeking to damage a player's career". With the exception of Football Manager, I don't think any other contributor here is involved in the game as an agent, in any shape or form. Why, using "logic and evidence", do you think anyone here is interested in "damaging" Kaku's career? For crying out loud, I have never seen Kaku play nor even know what he looks like.

My only interest in this matter is on the subject of age fraud, not any particular player. My only contributions here have been to point out that I have not seen any evidence from what Marsa has provided that would help decide that those who claim - rightly or wrongly - that the player is using a false age are not telling the truth.

[Sir V]

CIC,
Did you watch Nigeria against Paraguay at Loftus road? Kaku played in that match.

[TD]

Gotti hmnnn...,

As usual, you go argue to the death, even when it is clear to anyone with half a brain that you miss road well well.

This is probably the 10th time I am seeing those seeking to damage a specific player's career based on the figment of the imagination about a general problem insinuate that those who reject the baseless claims have half a brain.

If halving half a brain is to insist on logic and evidence, count me in.

People have failed to make a distinction between a general problem and a specific case. Short of concrete proof, insisting that Kaku falsified his age is nothing short of slander. But, then, what's new on Cybereagles?

Africana,

Abeg no vex, but in the future, and this for your own continuing personal and professional development - WHEN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS!!!!!

My retort to Gotti was LIMITED to his argument with CICOB as it related to the interpretation of the excerted Sodje statement. You are off on a tangent, not for the first time unfortunately.

P.S, I don't want to get into the age thing, but the statement that Mr AB is overaged is an allegation, which is recognised as such by most discerning members of this forum, and for which judgement can not be made either for or against with the EVIDENCE (not proof) available to most of us. It is neither slander nor libel, ask your "learned" friend, unless it can be proven that they are false.


Gotti

tut tut,

I see logic is not really your strong suit. It's such a shame, isn't it, that I can do more with my half-brain than you can with the full complement.

[cic old boy]

CIC,
Did you watch Nigeria against Paraguay at Loftus road? Kaku played in that match.

Sir V, I missed that game.

[Africana]

For someone who insists on "logic and evidence", you have made some pretty damaging statements in the absence of "logic and evidence".

A few posts ago you said I made "preposterous" statements on this issue. I asked you to provide evidence of this. I am still waiting.

Now you claim people are "seeking to damage a player's career". With the exception of Football Manager, I don't think any other contributor here is involved in the game as an agent, in any shape or form. Why, using "logic and evidence", do you think anyone here is interested in "damaging" Kaku's career? For crying out loud, I have never seen Kaku play nor even know what he looks like.

My only interest in this matter is on the subject of age fraud, not any particular player. My only contributions here have been to point out that I have not seen any evidence from what Marsa has provided that would help decide that those who claim - rightly or wrongly - that the player is using a false age are not telling the truth.

Bro,

A beg, make you chill. Sure, there have been many preposterous statements made on the age saga, but yours have note been some of them. You seemed to be ignoring them while questioning with gusto Kaku's documented and apparently investigated profile.

It was not meant to be a personal attack.

[Africana]

Africana,

Abeg no vex, but in the future, and this for your own continuing personal and professional development - WHEN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS!!!!!

My retort to Gotti was LIMITED to his argument with CICOB as it related to the interpretation of the excerted Sodje statement. You are off on a tangent, not for the first time unfortunately.

P.S, I don't want to get into the age thing, but the statement that Mr AB is overaged is an allegation, which is recognised as such by most discerning members of this forum, and for which judgement can not be made either for or against with the EVIDENCE (not proof) available to most of us. It is neither slander nor libel, ask your "learned" friend, unless it can be proven that they are false.

TD,
You mean you basically agreed with Gotti but were more interested in your little attacks on him rather than contribute subtantively to the issue at hand? How am I expected to easily discern such frivolity? I expected more from you.

But, that being the case, how can you really offer anything relevant to my "continuing personal and professional development"? Or, is this not another preposterous statement from you?

Wrt to "evidence" and "proof," two of them are relevant in the case at hand, which is what this thread is about.