Does Moses deserve to go to the WC over Ike Uche and Osaze?
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Does Moses deserve to go to the WC over Ike Uche and Osaze?
Why or why not? 
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Moses goes to the WC
What is Sterling doing that Moses has not done in the past. The way people talk, you would think Moses just came from the Pepsi Academy. Moses has played at the highest level, Liverpool played him out of position and now everybody are talking as if a player like Moses can just turn into a nobody overnight.
Moses goes to the WC and there are no two ways about it. In fact! The Liverpool fiasco is all the more reason why he must go! The guy had a brilliant preseason, he was not rewarded for it, he was hung out to dry..........and now his value has depreciated. The Mundial is the best platform for him to restock his shelf, retool, reorganize, reform, bolster, strengthen and repackage himself.
Moses (The Black Magician).....was and will always be skillful. A couple of upstarts are now starting to get a feel of what Victor was all about and now all of a sudden, we are supposed to be on the edge of our seats?
The fact is......in the EPL, your chance does not fade away just like that, if you can play. Players have more room to breathe than managers. I mean look at Osaze....WBA thought they had him on a tightrope...he went to Cardiff, that didn't pan out, now look at him - he's at Stoke, while WBA and Cardfiff are enjoying a relegation dogfight. That's how it goes.
Even if Liverpool remains a problem, it really doesn't matter. All Moses has to do is keep his head, he will have chance after chance. He is still young.
What is Sterling doing that Moses has not done in the past. The way people talk, you would think Moses just came from the Pepsi Academy. Moses has played at the highest level, Liverpool played him out of position and now everybody are talking as if a player like Moses can just turn into a nobody overnight.
Moses goes to the WC and there are no two ways about it. In fact! The Liverpool fiasco is all the more reason why he must go! The guy had a brilliant preseason, he was not rewarded for it, he was hung out to dry..........and now his value has depreciated. The Mundial is the best platform for him to restock his shelf, retool, reorganize, reform, bolster, strengthen and repackage himself.
Moses (The Black Magician).....was and will always be skillful. A couple of upstarts are now starting to get a feel of what Victor was all about and now all of a sudden, we are supposed to be on the edge of our seats?
The fact is......in the EPL, your chance does not fade away just like that, if you can play. Players have more room to breathe than managers. I mean look at Osaze....WBA thought they had him on a tightrope...he went to Cardiff, that didn't pan out, now look at him - he's at Stoke, while WBA and Cardfiff are enjoying a relegation dogfight. That's how it goes.
Even if Liverpool remains a problem, it really doesn't matter. All Moses has to do is keep his head, he will have chance after chance. He is still young.
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Sterling is scoring goals in the EPL, can it be argued that Moses has done the same? If memory serves correct, Sterling has outscored Moses' EPL offerings last season in a game or two. That said, he goes to Brazil, the idea of a criterion for inclusion is as phantom as the half-masked, caped cutthroat stalking the opera. Moses goes, games played or not.
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Victor was more of a European King, yes that is quite correct.Coach wrote:Sterling is scoring goals in the EPL, can it be argued that Moses has done the same? If memory serves correct, Sterling has outscored Moses' EPL offerings last season in a game or two. That said, he goes to Brazil, the idea of a criterion for inclusion is as phantom as the half-masked, caped cutthroat stalking the opera. Moses goes, games played or not.
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Rodgers is a Brit....Sterling evidently has more room to breathe than Victor will....even though the stats will show you that minute per minute, there is no comparison between the two. Sterling is now dubbed "England's Finest, by the same Rodgers.
That's how it goes. If one of theirs can show some promise, then they will take that any day. They unsettled Moses and groomed their own, that is all there is to it.
Of course there is also the Chelsea angle. Liverpool are notorious for being on the better end of Chelsea - Pool deals. Torres, Sturridge and Moses etc. If Moses is seen for one second as surplus...then you can be assured, that Liverpool will not give him the time, that he needs.
Frankly Chelsea need to be more aggressive in this situation. Pool have more interest in their own; Jordan Ibe, Sterling etc.
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Agreed. Sterling is doing what Moses has failed to do with great consistency. Let's concede to statistics that which is rightfully theirs.
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and what is that exactly?Coach wrote:Agreed. Sterling is doing what Moses has failed to do with great consistency. Let's concede to statistics that which is rightfully theirs.
Buhari, whose two terms thankfully ground to a constitutional halt in May. (One thing both democracies have going for them is that their leaders, however bad, have only two terms to swing the wrecking ball.) Under Buhari, growth per head also plunged to 0. An economic agenda drawn from the dusty pages of a 1970s protectionist handbook failed to do the trick. Despite Buhari’s promise to tame terrorism and criminality, violence flourished. Despite his reputation for probity, corruption swirled. FT
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
bamenda boy wrote:Why or why not?
Yes. Because the coach says he does
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Coach wrote:Sterling is scoring goals in the EPL, can it be argued that Moses has done the same? If memory serves correct, Sterling has outscored Moses' EPL offerings last season in a game or two. That said, he goes to Brazil, the idea of a criterion for inclusion is as phantom as the half-masked, caped cutthroat stalking the opera. Moses goes, games played or not.
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We have been brainwashed by the Premier League that it's the best in the world. Nonsense. It's the best brand
Roy Keane: ITV 02/25/14
He says that we are currently "brainwashed" into believing that the Premier League is the best competition in the world, and that we are now a long way off dominating the Champions League again.
Gary Neville: Mirror: 12/23/14
I think Spain’s by far the best league.
Scholes. UK Guardian 9/6/16
Roy Keane: ITV 02/25/14
He says that we are currently "brainwashed" into believing that the Premier League is the best competition in the world, and that we are now a long way off dominating the Champions League again.
Gary Neville: Mirror: 12/23/14
I think Spain’s by far the best league.
Scholes. UK Guardian 9/6/16
Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Moses goes, because we already know where he fits into the SE. Nigerians all have the consensus that Moses fits into our plans and the same man was a large part of bringing back home the ANC title to Nigeria after a 19 year drought!Coach wrote:Sterling is scoring goals in the EPL, can it be argued that Moses has done the same? If memory serves correct, Sterling has outscored Moses' EPL offerings last season in a game or two. That said, he goes to Brazil, the idea of a criterion for inclusion is as phantom as the half-masked, caped cutthroat stalking the opera. Moses goes, games played or not.
Moses now has circumstances beyond his immediate control and it is not apparent, that the player will not be ready for the Mundial, because of that. Instead, we should believe that it will motivate him further. It is disingenuous to suggest that Moses will be as rusty as an Agbim, because Moses is playing (Albeit limited time), he has even scored in cup football, not too long ago.
What better criterion than simply preserving and continuing what we have already established to be our comfort zone! The likes of Moses, Omeruo, Emenike, Enyeama, Onazi, Mikel....were never questionable inclusions!
It is simply the duty of Keshi and the SE staff to assess his match fitness when the time comes. Even if he starts from the bench, then so be it.....but it is hard to fathom a situation, whereby the player does not go to Brazil.
It beggars belief.
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Between him and Ike Uche, who deserves to go to the WC?Tbite wrote:Moses goes, because we already know where he fits into the SE. Nigerians all have the consensus that Moses fits into our plans and the same man was a large part of bringing back home the ANC title to Nigeria after a 19 year drought!Coach wrote:Sterling is scoring goals in the EPL, can it be argued that Moses has done the same? If memory serves correct, Sterling has outscored Moses' EPL offerings last season in a game or two. That said, he goes to Brazil, the idea of a criterion for inclusion is as phantom as the half-masked, caped cutthroat stalking the opera. Moses goes, games played or not.
Moses now has circumstances beyond his immediate control and it is not apparent, that the player will not be ready for the Mundial, because of that. Instead, we should believe that it will motivate him further. It is disingenuous to suggest that Moses will be as rusty as an Agbim, because Moses is playing (Albeit limited time), he has even scored in cup football, not too long ago.
What better criterion than simply preserving and continuing what we have already established to be our comfort zone! The likes of Moses, Omeruo, Emenike, Enyeama, Onazi, Mikel....were never questionable inclusions!
It is simply the duty of Keshi and the SE staff to assess his match fitness when the time comes. Even if he starts from the bench, then so be it.....but it is hard to fathom a situation, whereby the player does not go to Brazil.
It beggars belief.
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC?
Would Togo have thrown out Adebayor when he was training with the reserves?? Moses remains our best wide midfielder.
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And form and "match fitness" seldoms presides over what "we already know where he fits in...". Again, there is no criterion that defines candidacy for inclusion, Nigeria is Nigeria, Moses can sit out the rest of the season and will be first on the plane.
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And Osaze and Ike Uche can score all they want, all we need is leadership to hold the ball upfront. lol.Coach wrote:And form and "match fitness" seldoms presides over what "we already know where he fits in...". Again, there is no criterion that defines candidacy for inclusion, Nigeria is Nigeria, Moses can sit out the rest of the season and will be first on the plane.
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The question is clear yet people are talking about ' Mufu Sterling ' . Moses is battle ready and has done enough in GWG to be in Brazil. Unless the NFF are crazy enough to fire Keshi and hire a cerebral palsy dude like the clueless hot air Vanshitty Ivorian Eagle, Moses' staff will be parting the red sea in Brazil...
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The question is, is there a criteria for choosing, and if so, should Ike Uche and Osaze not be above him in whatever criteria it is ?Ekorian wrote:The question is clear yet people are talking about ' Mufu Sterling ' . Moses is battle ready and has done enough in GWG to be in Brazil. Unless the NFF are crazy enough to fire Keshi and hire a cerebral palsy dude like the clueless hot air Vanshitty Ivorian Eagle, Moses' staff will be parting the red sea in Brazil...
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Yeah, and remember that because Moses plays few games does not mean he is match rusty. I am guessing her trains daily with liverpool
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No sensible coach will ever judge a player based on a single good game or a couple of bad games. That's why its laughable to see people clamoring for players based on a bunch of useless YouTube clips. Moses has been under Keshi's radar and he has done enough to be in Brazil. Liverpool's style might not suit his style of play but the SE is no Liverpool! Consistency is vital in football and that's why we have series of friendlies starting from next month. Barring any calamity or injury, Moses will be singing ' arise o compatriots' come June. You can bet your mortgage on it....bamenda boy wrote:The question is, is there a criteria for choosing, and if so, should Ike Uche and Osaze not be above him in whatever criteria it is ?Ekorian wrote:The question is clear yet people are talking about ' Mufu Sterling ' . Moses is battle ready and has done enough in GWG to be in Brazil. Unless the NFF are crazy enough to fire Keshi and hire a cerebral palsy dude like the clueless hot air Vanshitty Ivorian Eagle, Moses' staff will be parting the red sea in Brazil...
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So Ike Uche case is just a bunch of Youtube clips, abi?Ekorian wrote:No sensible coach should ever judge a player with a single good game or a couple of bad games. That's why its laughable to see people clamoring for players based on a bunch of useless YouTube clips. Moses has been under Keshi's radar and he has done enough to be in Brazil. Liverpool's style might not suit his style of play but the SE is no Liverpool! Consistency is vital in football and that's why we have series of friendlies starting from next month. Barring any calamity or injury, Moses will be singing ' arise o compatriots' come June...bamenda boy wrote:The question is, is there a criteria for choosing, and if so, should Ike Uche and Osaze not be above him in whatever criteria it is ?Ekorian wrote:The question is clear yet people are talking about ' Mufu Sterling ' . Moses is battle ready and has done enough in GWG to be in Brazil. Unless the NFF are crazy enough to fire Keshi and hire a cerebral palsy dude like the clueless hot air Vanshitty Ivorian Eagle, Moses' staff will be parting the red sea in Brazil...
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Stop acting like you are missing grass. Has Keshi called you to inform you that the choice is between both?bamenda boy wrote:So Ike Uche case is just a bunch of Youtube clips, abi?Ekorian wrote:No sensible coach should ever judge a player with a single good game or a couple of bad games. That's why its laughable to see people clamoring for players based on a bunch of useless YouTube clips. Moses has been under Keshi's radar and he has done enough to be in Brazil. Liverpool's style might not suit his style of play but the SE is no Liverpool! Consistency is vital in football and that's why we have series of friendlies starting from next month. Barring any calamity or injury, Moses will be singing ' arise o compatriots' come June...bamenda boy wrote:The question is, is there a criteria for choosing, and if so, should Ike Uche and Osaze not be above him in whatever criteria it is ?Ekorian wrote:The question is clear yet people are talking about ' Mufu Sterling ' . Moses is battle ready and has done enough in GWG to be in Brazil. Unless the NFF are crazy enough to fire Keshi and hire a cerebral palsy dude like the clueless hot air Vanshitty Ivorian Eagle, Moses' staff will be parting the red sea in Brazil...
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Re: Does Moses deserve to go to the WC over Ike Uche and Osa
I noticed that you've changed your thread title to include Uche and Osaze. Uche is just coming back from series of injuries and Osaze has not done much for WBA and Cardiff....
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So Uche has been injured since the ANC?Ekorian wrote:I noticed that you've changed your thread title to include Uche and Osaze. Uche is just coming back from series of injuries and Osaze has not done much for WBA and Cardiff....
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I wonder why Martinez hasn't brought Moses to Everton and buy out his contract with Chelsea?
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because he is on loan from Chelsea and you cannot buy a player who is out on loan!Mudi E wrote:I wonder why Martinez hasn't brought Moses to Everton and buy out his contract with Chelsea?
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