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THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:51 am
by JACKAL
There is a big giant hole in our football : Between U17 football and adult league football.
So between the ages of 18 - 21 these young players have nowhere to play or go. There is no Junior league in Nigeria to develop players. They are too old for Academy football and too young for full league football.
So We need U-18 to U-19, U-20 to U21 Leagues to get the best players ready for adult level football.
4 years is a long time to go without consistently playing competitive football.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:21 am
by Sunset
JACKAL wrote:There is a big giant hole in our football : Between U17 football and adult league football.
So between the ages of 18 - 21 these young players have nowhere to play or go. There is no Junior league in Nigeria to develop players. They are too old for Academy football and too young for full league football.
So We need U-18 to U-19, U-20 to U21 Leagues to get the best players ready for adult level football.
4 years is a long time to go without consistently playing competitive football.
You make a very valid point bros, personally its pretty odd that the NPFL itself has an U15 competition, but not one for U19 or U21. Its about time we create a viable structure to football progression than this hit or hope strategy with academy players with the main aim of getting a club abroad.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:40 am
by txj
We still have secondary schools
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:43 am
by joao
We also don't have a blueprint for football philosophy, from which
youth players graduate to the senior teams knowing what is expected
to play at the next level.
Thus we are letting available talent determine how we play. Going yhis route, we might as well just assemble players at
tournament time and go play.
For all the effort our players put forth, there was no pattern as how we approach the match.
Win or lose, good teams have pattern of play. We just don't.
Too many long balls whie hoping for the best.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:15 am
by oscar52
The problem will likely come down to funding. Another solution might be to increase the number of players NPFL and NNFL can carry by 10 player each and say those 10 must be players ages 16 to 21. Something is definite wrong and foreign clubs can only absorb a small fraction among them.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:41 am
by Rawlings
The
theory of diminishing advantage explains it
- There is a huge advantage when 25 year-olds play against 17-year olds.
The advantage is negligible when 25 year-olds play against 20-year olds
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:46 am
by JACKAL
txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
Secondary is not the same as pro or semi ranks.... When you are in school you only train for 4 hrs a week... Youth league train full time like pro teams.. beside you are supposed to out of secondary school by the age of 18. you cant be in school and be training 12 hr a week and play games on the weekend.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:48 am
by JACKAL
Sunset wrote:JACKAL wrote:There is a big giant hole in our football : Between U17 football and adult league football.
So between the ages of 18 - 21 these young players have nowhere to play or go. There is no Junior league in Nigeria to develop players. They are too old for Academy football and too young for full league football.
So We need U-18 to U-19, U-20 to U21 Leagues to get the best players ready for adult level football.
4 years is a long time to go without consistently playing competitive football.
You make a very valid point bros, personally its pretty odd that the NPFL itself has an U15 competition, but not one for U19 or U21. Its about time we create a viable structure to football progression than this hit or hope strategy with academy players with the main aim of getting a club abroad.
Sunset....long time bro.... 
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:53 am
by txj
JACKAL wrote:txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
Secondary is not the same as pro or semi ranks.... When you are in school you only train for 4 hrs a week... Youth league train full time like pro teams.. beside you are supposed to out of secondary school by the age of 18. you cant be in school and be training 12 hr a week and play games on the weekend.
Those hours were long enough to produce the likes of Henry Nwosu, Stephen Keshi, Peter Nieketen, etc
Its not how long they train, but how well.
I expect 18-21 year olds to be affiliated with clubs...
The NFF cannot run a proper league. Now you expect them to add a youth league?
It's not the absence of an 18-21 youth league that's slowing us down atm. It's the poor foundational training at crucial levels of the game that is affecting the development of our young players.
Also, the NFF needs to harness the energy at the academies- true academies, and help streamline them to work as they should, rather than just be conduits for selling players...
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:54 am
by EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA
I wonder why Germany, Croatia , France and England are not winning the u20 . It is what it is, it's a developemental tournament not one you have to start 5 leagues to win. There're teams who rarely qualify but will beat the perennial qualifiers at senior level no sweat.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:54 am
by JACKAL
oscar52 wrote:The problem will likely come down to funding. Another solution might be to increase the number of players NPFL and NNFL can carry by 10 player each and say those 10 must be players ages 16 to 21. Something is definite wrong and foreign clubs can only absorb a small fraction among them.
They can require all the pro teams have youth teams like they do in Europe and play youth league championship in one state like lagos so as to save money on travel....20 under 19 teams....., 10 under 21 teams...….l
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Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:59 am
by JACKAL
txj wrote:JACKAL wrote:txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
Secondary is not the same as pro or semi ranks.... When you are in school you only train for 4 hrs a week... Youth league train full time like pro teams.. beside you are supposed to out of secondary school by the age of 18. you cant be in school and be training 12 hr a week and play games on the weekend.
Those hours were long enough to produce the likes of Henry Nwosu, Stephen Keshi, Peter Nieketen, etc
Its not how long they train, but how well.
I expect 18-21 year olds to be affiliated with clubs...
The NFF cannot run a proper league. Now you expect them to add a youth league?
How many of those people you mentioned won the u20 world cup. ??? ..NONE...!!
The hours you train matter as well as the quality of the training....I don't care how good your trainer is you cant master everything in 4 hours a week. that is like 2 days a week ..that is not enough time...
18- 21 year olds typically do not get enough or quality playing time at any pro clubs anywhere in the world
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:02 am
by JACKAL
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:I wonder why Germany, Croatia , France and England are not winning the u20 . It is what it is, it's a developemental tournament not one you have to start 5 leagues to win. There're teams who rarely qualify but will beat the perennial qualifiers at senior level no sweat.
France and England have won the championships and Germany always feature well and they known to field REAL u20 players not the agbayas we are sending
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:08 am
by oyek
Last season all NPFL teams had their U19 teams (also known as feeder teams) in the NLO league (the 3rd tier league). I believe they have same this season
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:14 am
by Enugu II
txj wrote:JACKAL wrote:txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
Secondary is not the same as pro or semi ranks.... When you are in school you only train for 4 hrs a week... Youth league train full time like pro teams.. beside you are supposed to out of secondary school by the age of 18. you cant be in school and be training 12 hr a week and play games on the weekend.
Those hours were long enough to produce the likes of Henry Nwosu, Stephen Keshi, Peter Nieketen, etc
Its not how long they train, but how well.
I expect 18-21 year olds to be affiliated with clubs...
The NFF cannot run a proper league. Now you expect them to add a youth league?
It's not the absence of an 18-21 youth league that's slowing us down atm. It's the poor foundational training at crucial levels of the game that is affecting the development of our young players.
Also, the NFF needs to harness the energy at the academies- true academies, and help streamline them to work as they should, rather than just be conduits for selling players...
Txj,
He has a point. Hours of training matter and not hours training under a games master but one training under a professional coach. The Nwosus, Keshis, etc. did not do much at the U20 level and cannot even be said to have achieved as much as the U20s today. Thus, using them as example will not be the better option.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:18 am
by Enugu II
oscar52 wrote:The problem will likely come down to funding. Another solution might be to increase the number of players NPFL and NNFL can carry by 10 player each and say those 10 must be players ages 16 to 21. Something is definite wrong and foreign clubs can only absorb a small fraction among them.
Oscar52,
This actually exists in the current NPFL. Clubs are allowed to use guys breaking into the main team with less registration restriction and there are incentives provided to such clubs. Ikouwem Utin, who captained this U20, broke into Enyimba first team squad through that system a few years ago.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:18 am
by Robotnik
It is simple - immediate punishment for age cheating and corruption at this level
Team was bad but the group was weak enough for FE to progress. Actually the R16 was their world cup and they should be proud of the feat.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:25 am
by ANC
They can have proper college tournaments. I see no reason why you cannot have the same thing we have in the States.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:29 am
by Enyi
You guys are funny....Senegal was just as bad. The coach was at fault nothing else. He was supported v well so no blame to the football asssociation, he had a tournament to prepare and he still can’t tell his central defensive and pairing...all that training and does not know his strikers or their strengths....
U pick Tijani....tall and practically useless but how many times did the team get to the line and cross the ball? Once...that’s coaching and nothing to do with grassroots.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:43 am
by Eaglezbeak
txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
What has that got to do with u20 football? Schools play football around the world but clubs and Academies cater for actual aspiring young professional footballers.If the NFA and NPL clubs don’t set up their own academies it will never change!
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:56 am
by Lolly
Nigeria has players. Scouting and agents selection is what is killing our game. This team had too many very poor players that made the whole team look bad. You are only as strong as your weakest link. And the coach is part of the weakest link.
We haven’t learnt our lesson. Keshi did something similar at the Confederations Cup years ago. Brought in about 4 players managed by the same agent who had no business being in the team and we were horrible.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:06 am
by Orion
txj wrote:We still have secondary schools
Dude this is not 1980. In this age, you cannot use secondary school players to go play pro U20 players from Europe and South America. They'll get slaughtered and that's if they even qualify in the first place.
OP has a very good point. We have a huge gap there and this also leads to age cheating as we're forced to look in the local leagues for players with enough experience.
Re: THE REAL REASON WE ARE NOT WINNING THE U-20 WC
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:11 am
by Bell
JACKAL wrote:There is a big giant hole in our football : Between U17 football and adult league football.
So between the ages of 18 - 21 these young players have nowhere to play or go. There is no Junior league in Nigeria to develop players. They are too old for Academy football and too young for full league football.
So We need U-18 to U-19, U-20 to U21 Leagues to get the best players ready for adult level football.
4 years is a long time to go without consistently playing competitive football.
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT U17 & ADULT LEAGUE?
I'd worry about the years BEFORE U17. If these years are put to good use, you won't have to worry about the years after that. The real problem is that Nigerian football has no structure. It's very much like Nigerian farming that shuns cultivation but simply wants to go into the forest to harvest what grows wild.
In the US, they start at age six or slightly under, progressing thru high school and college under well known structure (though it's still evolving). Nigeria needs also to do the same, and I don't mean simply come up with the blue print some other country has laid down. There's nothing Nigerians love more than to copy others blindly. Nigeria may choose to place heavy emphasis at the elementary and high school levels because these are the places where talents have been traditionally harvested. That means more than just scouting them but giving them the structure and resources needed.
Bell