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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:11 pm Brings a serious issue, in general, to the fore. Why is Pinnick allowed to hire a coach he can’t afford? Suppose that due to their financial delinquency, Rohr continues to coach because they can’t get rid of him, what happens when his contract finally ends and they still can’t afford to pay him? Will they now give him Badagry as compensation❓🤷🏾‍♀️❗️

When well meaning patriots rail against the ill-advised engagement of a foreigner, just for the sake of having a foreign coach, things like that should be given serious consideration before the protestations are dismissed as bad belle❗️


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Chief TTTK..again a slight clarification.
Rohr is not being paid much more than Keshi was or Oliseh, if at all.
And I am sure you are not suggesting that a Nigerian or even a 'local' coach should be paid less than a foreigner.

It's a catch-22 point you raise, but salary bracket for ANY Nigeria i.e. SE coach should be non-negotiable, Nigerian or foreigner
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Tobi17 wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:49 am
Damunk wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:44 am If true, it means now we can have a realistic discussion about the back up plan.
Nothing focusses the mind more than a dose of reality.

Who takes over? :idea:
This one pain you sha...
Why so? Why would it be painful to anyone considering we are not doing well? I was very much in support of coach Rohr initially, but lately, I changed position because it seems the man has reached his peak in taking us higher.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
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No foreign manager has ever won the World Cup till date, and only two have reached the final match: George Raynor of England, with Sweden in 1958, and Ernst Happel of Austria, with the Netherlands in 1978 (43 years ago). Hire a local coach NIgeria! Like your own things! Just not the Oliseh, Siasia, or Salisu types.
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Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
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chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
It’s OK to blow your own horn because no one will do it for you but weekend scrimmages under the Eko bridge don’t count🤔

… and now, ironically, you claim you are about to become a club owner, where you’ll be working with the lowest rung of Nigerian professional coaches. My friend, you don’t need anyone to discredit you. You are doing a bang up job all by yourself🙂❗️


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chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
In 35 years all the local coaches you saw knew nothing?
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How indiscipline by players put Gernot Rohr in trouble

The Eagles team has become an undisciplined and disorderly lot under Rohr.
The falling standards, laissez-faire attitude of some players, and player power are some reasons the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) is looking for a solution to the position of Super Eagles manager, currently held by Gernot Rohr.

Many instances, especially in the Qatar 2022 World cup qualifying rounds, have shown that some players in the Eagles squad no longer respect their manager enough to keep to agreed rules and regulations in the way and manner the players should conduct themselves on national assignment.

This situation got to a head in the match against Cape Verde when the Eko Hotel camp of the Eagles was turned into a harem and carnival venue.

A shocked Ahmed Musa, Eagles captain , at the complacency of the coaching team in curbing the wanton indiscipline, made his angst known to some NFF members, who on investigation, found players like Kelechi Iheanacho, Kenneth Omeruo, and Chidozie Awaziem missing from their rooms after the time agreed for them to turn in.

This behaviour is not new in camp, with Rohr in full knowledge of what was happening under his watch, but he was not resolute nor decisive enough to put a stop to it by banning or fining the errant players.

Another observation during the halftime interval in the match against Cape Verde was that the coach did nothing about the melee that broke out between Leon Balogun and Jamilu Collins. This disagreement almost came to fisticuffs, but none of the technical team took control to quell the situation.

It has also been revealed that Balogun, Joe Aribo, Maduka Okoye, and William Troost-Ekong have deliberately missed flights that have cost the NFF extra in getting replacement flights to ensure they make the Eagles squad for matches. This was the reason Rohr benched Okoye for the match against the Central African Republic, which the Eagles lost 1-0 on October 7 with Francis Uzoho in between the sticks.

Player entourages were also a constant distraction with Rohr unable to lay down the law, a situation the NFF believes will hamper the chances of the team at the 2022 AFCON and in the last World Cup qualifiers in March.

Another argument for Rohr’s dismissal was his total dependence on a particular set of players, irrespective of whether they trained as hard or better than anyone else in their position.

Both parties-the NFF and Rohr- are trying to work out an amicable solution between themselves while insiders say the NFF is already interviewing for the soon-to-be-vacant job.

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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:28 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
It’s OK to blow your own horn because no one will do it for you but weekend scrimmages under the Eko bridge don’t count🤔

… and now, ironically, you claim you are about to become a club owner, where you’ll be working with the lowest rung of Nigerian professional coaches. My friend, you don’t need anyone to discredit you. You are doing a bang up job all by yourself🙂❗️


Cheers.
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aruako1 wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:59 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
In 35 years all the local coaches you saw knew nothing?
Nigerian coaches are good with discovering players. Few are good with grooming players the right way. Most are poor with Team management.

There's not one coach from all I've met or matches I've watched that's good enough. Half time team talk is a joke.

Met some to young coach some months ago. He seems to be on the right track. Went to UNN, then worked as rangers assistant coach, done his NIS, and CAF. Just commenced his UEFA and he's naturally very intelligent and we'll researched. I have hopes for young coaches like these.
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oscar52 wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:45 am No foreign manager has ever won the World Cup till date, and only two have reached the final match: George Raynor of England, with Sweden in 1958, and Ernst Happel of Austria, with the Netherlands in 1978 (43 years ago). Hire a local coach NIgeria! Like your own things! Just not the Oliseh, Siasia, or Salisu types.
It would help if you can list a couple of local coaches who would be perfect for the job.
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chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
I think most reasonable folks have been suggesting ex-internationals which you just admitted you haven’t had much dealings with, so your revelations aren’t really relevant to the main discussion - forget side distractions.

But out of curiosity, will you be bringing in foreigners to coach your club since all the Nigerians coaches are inept?
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Chief NFAChairman’s comments are going largely ignored because he is confirming a hard truth - that our local coaching pool is extremely poor.
People would rather rubbish his experience of local coaches because we don’t want to believe it.

Yes it’s all well and good quoting a handful of ex-internationals but how many are they?
Amuneke, Finidi, Eguavon, Amokachi, Yobo, Oliseh…a grand total of six, four of whom have already been given a chance to show what they can do at that level with not very impressive outcomes. Two of those four were assistants.

Sebi na grassroots we dey talk about?
NFAChairman is giving you direct feedback from years working at that level but most would rather reject that and form their own opinions from their analyses based at desktop computer level. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Damunk wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:50 am Chief NFAChairman’s comments are going largely ignored because he is confirming a hard truth - that our local coaching pool is extremely poor.
People would rather rubbish his experience of local coaches because we don’t want to believe it.

Yes it’s all well and good quoting a handful of ex-internationals but how many are they?
Amuneke, Finidi, Eguavon, Amokachi, Yobo, Oliseh…a grand total of six, four of whom have already been given a chance to show what they can do at that level with not very impressive outcomes. Two of those four were assistants.

Sebi na grassroots we dey talk about?
NFAChairman is giving you direct feedback from years working at that level but most would rather reject that and form their own opinions from their analyses based at desktop computer level. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:02 am
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:28 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:06 pm
Abbey wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:07 pm
chief nfachairman wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm My opinion. No local based coach is good enough for this role. I have dealt with ALOT of them this year, even going to their training sessions and they know nothing.

My best bet is finidi but he just started coaching pro-football. Maybe ndubuisi Egbo?
Ah... painting all local coaches with the same brush, eh? How exactly do you define a local coach? A local coach with no football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A local coach without football diploma that lives in Nigeria? A foreigner with/without football diploma that coaches locally?
By the way do you have a coaching diploma or are you a certified coach? How can you conclude from 'dealing' with THEM a LOT that they know NOTHING?
AFter been in football for over 35yrs, as a player in NIgeria and outside, commentator, watching several training sessinos of clubs around the world, academy coach, academy owner and now about to become a football club owner (We woudl commence in NLO1 and move up), i can categorically state that local coaches know nothing.

Now, for Ex-INternationals, Ive hardly come across any but FInidi looks good to me. Waiting to see what he would do with Enyimba. AMuneke has been out of job for almost 2yrs, while Equavon is a blockhead.
It’s OK to blow your own horn because no one will do it for you but weekend scrimmages under the Eko bridge don’t count🤔

… and now, ironically, you claim you are about to become a club owner, where you’ll be working with the lowest rung of Nigerian professional coaches. My friend, you don’t need anyone to discredit you. You are doing a bang up job all by yourself🙂❗️


Cheers.
Pretty daft response.
Daft response… that must be your new phrase of the day. You still haven’t explained how you hope to build a successful club with local coaches that know nothing or are you just going to perpetuate mediocrity❓❗️


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