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Orion wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:48 pm

Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:39 pm

Orion wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:43 pm This thing has come up again and again over the years and I'm still puzzled as to where these people are coming from. If this is an issue for you, why don't you also throw a fit about the fact that whites are building our roads, bridges, and refineries in Nigeria? Why only make a stand on football?

It just comes across as having a chip on your shoulder.... desperate to prove that you're equal by making a stand over the football coach of the SE?

Rohr was hired off the back of Nigeria failing to qualify for back-to-back AFCONs under THREE local coaches. Something NEW needed to be done to shake things up. No ifs or buts. Pinnick did the right thing then. The question now is, has Rohr overstayed his usefulness? Popular opinion seems to suggest so. If that is the case, then pay him off and get someone else with a similar level of experience ASAP. Enough of this silly race talk.

Hahahahahaha... some of you guys talk like you have the memory of a fruitfly. "Race Talk" is silly? Are you for real? If it is silly why the efforts to address racism in every EPL game? Why the talk to address the hiring disparity in football? "Race talk is sill"? Where do they get you negroes from?

As for Pinnick and his preference of a Foreign Coach for the Eagles, I just finished reiterating the chronology of events that led Pinnick to hire ****.

Hiring a foreign coach was part of Pinnick's campaign promise during the controversial and contentious NFF elections.

Keshi was NEVER his guy. Pinnick 'managed' Keshi because of the Presidency (GEJ).

Just like Pinnick trying to frustrate **** into resigning, he went the other route with Keshi and with Oliseh... he sacrificed our qualification in order to get what he wanted for a long time. He knew fully well that Oliseh will implode because Oliseh won't take the malfeasance that Keshi or Siasia will take.

As for Damunk asking for evidence of corruption, I just have to laugh. Do you remember the issue of World Cup Money? How the FIFA subvention was squandered and the FGN had to fly in cash to pay outstanding bonuses and pay for logistics in Brazil? Do you remember what happened before the players boarded the plane to Brazil for the Confederation Cup? Do you remember what happened at the World Cup proper how the players stayed up late prior to the game against France? Or do you remember the debacle at the Olympics over the same issue of money? I also happened to be in Abuja when former members of the Eagles under the aegis of Save our Football, went on Brekete show to level series of serious accusations against this NFF leadership. They asked for EFCC investigation and named names... nothing ever came of it.

The fight for NFF leadership was the main culprit for nonqualification... sides were taken, and the losers ended up being Naijarian football fans. The people who won instead of being reconciliatory now chose to vanquish their adversaries.

You have to rely on mumbo jumbo speculation because you can’t argue with the facts. Nigeria had failed to qualify for two AFCONs under three LCs (two of them hired by Pinnick). Keep in mind we also failed to qualify for the 2011 AFCON under a local coach. Then we found ourselves in essentially the toughest WCQing group in Africa. We were at risk of also missing out on the 2018 WC just as we did in 2006. There was no time for sentiment. Hiring Rohr proved to be the right thing at that time because we qualified for the WC despite our very poor run in the lead-up to the qualifiers. This should never be about race but the level of experience required to do the job well. If the experience is not currently in Nigeria because our local league is not currently producing such persons, we’ll seek it abroad.

You guys are gonna keep whining and crying like babies for a long time to come. Thankfully, the guys that run our football know that results matter above sentiment. If local appointments are not producing results, they’ll seek foreign coaches. End of story.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:05 pm

Orion wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:48 pm

Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:39 pm

Orion wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:43 pm This thing has come up again and again over the years and I'm still puzzled as to where these people are coming from. If this is an issue for you, why don't you also throw a fit about the fact that whites are building our roads, bridges, and refineries in Nigeria? Why only make a stand on football?

It just comes across as having a chip on your shoulder.... desperate to prove that you're equal by making a stand over the football coach of the SE?

Rohr was hired off the back of Nigeria failing to qualify for back-to-back AFCONs under THREE local coaches. Something NEW needed to be done to shake things up. No ifs or buts. Pinnick did the right thing then. The question now is, has Rohr overstayed his usefulness? Popular opinion seems to suggest so. If that is the case, then pay him off and get someone else with a similar level of experience ASAP. Enough of this silly race talk.

Hahahahahaha... some of you guys talk like you have the memory of a fruitfly. "Race Talk" is silly? Are you for real? If it is silly why the efforts to address racism in every EPL game? Why the talk to address the hiring disparity in football? "Race talk is sill"? Where do they get you negroes from?

As for Pinnick and his preference of a Foreign Coach for the Eagles, I just finished reiterating the chronology of events that led Pinnick to hire ****.

Hiring a foreign coach was part of Pinnick's campaign promise during the controversial and contentious NFF elections.

Keshi was NEVER his guy. Pinnick 'managed' Keshi because of the Presidency (GEJ).

Just like Pinnick trying to frustrate **** into resigning, he went the other route with Keshi and with Oliseh... he sacrificed our qualification in order to get what he wanted for a long time. He knew fully well that Oliseh will implode because Oliseh won't take the malfeasance that Keshi or Siasia will take.

As for Damunk asking for evidence of corruption, I just have to laugh. Do you remember the issue of World Cup Money? How the FIFA subvention was squandered and the FGN had to fly in cash to pay outstanding bonuses and pay for logistics in Brazil? Do you remember what happened before the players boarded the plane to Brazil for the Confederation Cup? Do you remember what happened at the World Cup proper how the players stayed up late prior to the game against France? Or do you remember the debacle at the Olympics over the same issue of money? I also happened to be in Abuja when former members of the Eagles under the aegis of Save our Football, went on Brekete show to level series of serious accusations against this NFF leadership. They asked for EFCC investigation and named names... nothing ever came of it.

The fight for NFF leadership was the main culprit for nonqualification... sides were taken, and the losers ended up being Naijarian football fans. The people who won instead of being reconciliatory now chose to vanquish their adversaries.

You have to rely on mumbo jumbo speculation because you can’t argue with the facts. Nigeria had failed to qualify for two AFCONs under three LCs (two of them hired by Pinnick). Keep in mind we also failed to qualify for the 2011 AFCON under a local coach. Then we found ourselves in essentially the toughest WCQing group in Africa. We were at risk of also missing out on the 2018 WC just as we did in 2006. There was no time for sentiment. Hiring Rohr proved to be the right thing at that time because we qualified for the WC despite our very poor run in the lead-up to the qualifiers. This should never be about race but the level of experience required to do the job well. If the experience is not currently in Nigeria because our local league is not currently producing such persons, we’ll seek it abroad.

You guys are gonna keep whining and crying like babies for a long time to come. Thankfully, the guys that run our football know that results matter above sentiment. If local appointments are not producing results, they’ll seek foreign coaches. End of story.

Orion,

Your argument has a serious problem. Here is why.

1. Why take a look only after the 2018 WC. Do you ignore the circumstances that lewd to the two failure. Do you think even Rohr could have succeeded under those circumstances? Those are you are questions that you have to ask yourself. What are the circumstances? The NFF actively worked for Keshi's failure so that he could be replaced with a foreign coach of their choice. This even involved organizing of protests against Nigeria in Nigeria. THAT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. Second, Oliseh quit midstream and Siasia was hired and Siasia had to face Egypt for one qualifying spot. What guarantees that Rohr could qualify under similar circumstances when the same Rohr struggles against mighty CAR? and he suddenly would be assured to overcome Egypt? Think about that.

2. What exactly did Rohr do that is so monumental? Look we did start following Nigerian football since 2011. We have won the AFCON three times and reached the finals several times before. Several of those were achieved under a local coach. Do not forget that.

3. If you claim there is no local coach. Where exactly did you search? What exactly did Rohr achieve before he was hired? BTW, Amuneke has not only won the FIFA U-17 but he also took Tanzania to its first AFCPON qualification in donkey years. Is he not a local coach? Eguavoen won the bronze at AFCON. Did Rohr do any better? Is Eguavoen not a local coach? Salisu placed second in the African championship for local national teams. Is Salisu not a local coach? History does not forget.

Please tell me exactly where the search was conducted to reach the conclusion that there is no local coach with the ability to lead the Nigerian national team? I await.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:05 pm Orion,

Your argument has a serious problem. Here is why.

1. Why take a look only after the 2018 WC. Do you ignore the circumstances that lewd to the two failure. Do you think even Rohr could have succeeded under those circumstances? Those are you are questions that you have to ask yourself. What are the circumstances? The NFF actively worked for Keshi's failure so that he could be replaced with a foreign coach of their choice. This even involved organizing of protests against Nigeria in Nigeria. THAT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. Second, Oliseh quit midstream and Siasia was hired and Siasia had to face Egypt for one qualifying spot. What guarantees that Rohr could qualify under similar circumstances when the same Rohr struggles against mighty CAR? and he suddenly would be assured to overcome Egypt? Think about that.

2. What exactly did Rohr do that is so monumental? Look we did start following Nigerian football since 2011. We have won the AFCON three times and reached the finals several times before. Several of those were achieved under a local coach. Do not forget that.

3. If you claim there is no local coach. Where exactly did you search? What exactly did Rohr achieve before he was hired? BTW, Amuneke has not only won the FIFA U-17 but he also took Tanzania to its first AFCPON qualification in donkey years. Is he not a local coach? Eguavoen won the bronze at AFCON. Did Rohr do any better? Is Eguavoen not a local coach? Salisu placed second in the African championship for local national teams. Is Salisu not a local coach? History does not forget.

Please tell me exactly where the search was conducted to reach the conclusion that there is no local coach with the ability to lead the Nigerian national team? I await.

Orion wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:41 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:05 pm Orion,

Your argument has a serious problem. Here is why.

1. Why take a look only after the 2018 WC. Do you ignore the circumstances that lewd to the two failure. Do you think even Rohr could have succeeded under those circumstances? Those are you are questions that you have to ask yourself. What are the circumstances? The NFF actively worked for Keshi's failure so that he could be replaced with a foreign coach of their choice. This even involved organizing of protests against Nigeria in Nigeria. THAT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. Second, Oliseh quit midstream and Siasia was hired and Siasia had to face Egypt for one qualifying spot. What guarantees that Rohr could qualify under similar circumstances when the same Rohr struggles against mighty CAR? and he suddenly would be assured to overcome Egypt? Think about that.

2. What exactly did Rohr do that is so monumental? Look we did start following Nigerian football since 2011. We have won the AFCON three times and reached the finals several times before. Several of those were achieved under a local coach. Do not forget that.

3. If you claim there is no local coach. Where exactly did you search? What exactly did Rohr achieve before he was hired? BTW, Amuneke has not only won the FIFA U-17 but he also took Tanzania to its first AFCPON qualification in donkey years. Is he not a local coach? Eguavoen won the bronze at AFCON. Did Rohr do any better? Is Eguavoen not a local coach? Salisu placed second in the African championship for local national teams. Is Salisu not a local coach? History does not forget.

Please tell me exactly where the search was conducted to reach the conclusion that there is no local coach with the ability to lead the Nigerian national team? I await.

We can't speculate on woulda, coulda, shoulda. We can only talk about the results. I'm not even going to bother with conspiracy theories. If you have to descend to conspiracy theories to explain your position, it shows you are desperately trying to defend an indefensible position.

But, but, but....can we write or talk of the results without context? That is certainly what you have done. There has to be context. BTW, those are not conspiracy theories but realities of those times. They are historical facts and will NEVER be forgotten. It is now ETCHED in OUR HISTORY, MEMORY, and LIFE. Make no mistake about that. Perhaps, those who were complicit in those events shall never repeat them.

Those coaches failed. The appointment of Oliseh was a disaster and Siasia failed to get a result against Egypt in two games. Siasia had little time but I don't give him much of a pass as he already had a lot of experience with the SE, and he also failed to qualify for the 2012 AFCON. So he was part of that cycle of failure regarding the SE (even though he did well with youth teams). The coaches that failed us were the best/most experienced we had so we had to go abroad.

Is it not amazing and selective that you go back to Siasia of 2011 and yet conveniently ignore Keshi opf 2013. Bros, we know the DEAL. Why not Keshi of 2013? Was that not a Nigerian who won an African Championship? A championship that was beyond Rohr?

How about this narrative, since we had coaches fail since 2011, why not hire one like Keshi who was the only success of that era? How about that narrative?

IMO, none of the names you mentioned are good enough to coach the SE. It's laughable to compare them to Rohr in terms of experience. You can check Rohr's coaching experience here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gernot_Rohr

Just as a side note, while we were busy arguing about FC vs LC, a small nation to the right of Nigeria has outperformed us and accumulated 5 AFCON trophies with FCs.

Well, it is not just longevity of coaching that matters but what have you achieved all those years. What exactly did Rohr achieve...

Gabon: 8 wins, 5 draws, 6 losses
Niger Republic: 3 wins, 7 draws, 13 losses
Burkina Faso: 3 wins, 3 draws, 5 losses
What a great record!! But Nigeria hired him! Why?

Finalist one national club championship? Right? There are numerous Nigerians who also have won national club championships. You do realize that. BTW, Rohr's achievement was before SE gave him some respectability. And yet you think Amuneke's winning of a global championship and taking Tanzania to a historical feat does not count? Why exactly cant he achieve with SE with the caliber of players? What did Rohr achieve with Niger Republic and others before he was handed the caliber of players that Nigeria provides? The caliber that he so mishandled at home against Sierra Leone, Cape Verde and disgracefully against CAR. Context, bros, context.

Orion wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:41 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:05 pm Orion,

Your argument has a serious problem. Here is why.

1. Why take a look only after the 2018 WC. Do you ignore the circumstances that lewd to the two failure. Do you think even Rohr could have succeeded under those circumstances? Those are you are questions that you have to ask yourself. What are the circumstances? The NFF actively worked for Keshi's failure so that he could be replaced with a foreign coach of their choice. This even involved organizing of protests against Nigeria in Nigeria. THAT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. Second, Oliseh quit midstream and Siasia was hired and Siasia had to face Egypt for one qualifying spot. What guarantees that Rohr could qualify under similar circumstances when the same Rohr struggles against mighty CAR? and he suddenly would be assured to overcome Egypt? Think about that.

2. What exactly did Rohr do that is so monumental? Look we did start following Nigerian football since 2011. We have won the AFCON three times and reached the finals several times before. Several of those were achieved under a local coach. Do not forget that.

3. If you claim there is no local coach. Where exactly did you search? What exactly did Rohr achieve before he was hired? BTW, Amuneke has not only won the FIFA U-17 but he also took Tanzania to its first AFCPON qualification in donkey years. Is he not a local coach? Eguavoen won the bronze at AFCON. Did Rohr do any better? Is Eguavoen not a local coach? Salisu placed second in the African championship for local national teams. Is Salisu not a local coach? History does not forget.

Please tell me exactly where the search was conducted to reach the conclusion that there is no local coach with the ability to lead the Nigerian national team? I await.

We can't speculate on woulda, coulda, shoulda. We can only talk about the results. I'm not even going to bother with conspiracy theories. If you have to descend to conspiracy theories to explain your position, it shows you are desperately trying to defend an indefensible position.

Those coaches failed. The appointment of Oliseh was a disaster and Siasia failed to get a result against Egypt in two games. Siasia had little time but I don't give him much of a pass as he already had a lot of experience with the SE, and he also failed to qualify for the 2012 AFCON. So he was part of that cycle of failure regarding the SE (even though he did well with youth teams). The coaches that failed us were the best/most experienced we had so we had to go abroad.

IMO, none of the names you mentioned are good enough to coach the SE. It's laughable to compare them to Rohr in terms of experience. You can check Rohr's coaching experience here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gernot_Rohr

Just as a side note, while we were busy arguing about FC vs LC, a small nation to the right of Nigeria has outperformed us and accumulated 5 AFCON trophies with FCs.

highbury wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:59 am This coach was owed for months and months and he kept mute. Who does that? Unless he is getting money from other nefarious activities in Nigeria aided by the likes of Pinnick. Always follow the money.

Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:52 pm

txj wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:32 pm

Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:15 pm
April 6, 1987, Al Campanis had the misfortune of saying out loud what the establishment and some misguided black people feel.

November 2021, a black man on Cyber Eagles is repeating the same tripe.

He is comfortable enough to repeat such nonsense... tomorrow when he becomes the NFF chairman and he goes on to enforce his prejudices we will be making excuses for him.

You are making quite a career on CE of being stupid!

The very same thing I said here, I said wrt European footballers. I specifically said so about Jamie Carragher for instance.
Not every player has the smarts to transition to coaching...

You have to be of a certain intellectual bent to "see" the game from a conceptual standpoint...

I am embarrassed on your behalf.

Orion wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:43 pm This thing has come up again and again over the years and I'm still puzzled as to where these people are coming from. If this is an issue for you, why don't you also throw a fit about the fact that whites are building our roads, bridges, and refineries in Nigeria? Why only make a stand on football?

It just comes across as having a chip on your shoulder.... desperate to prove that you're equal by making a stand over the football coach of the SE?

Rohr was hired off the back of Nigeria failing to qualify for back-to-back AFCONs under THREE local coaches. Something NEW needed to be done to shake things up. No ifs or buts. Pinnick did the right thing then. The question now is, has Rohr overstayed his usefulness? Popular opinion seems to suggest so. If that is the case, then pay him off and get someone else with a similar level of experience ASAP. Enough of this silly race talk.