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highbury wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 am

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

Dude, what is your issue? Why are you trying to defend the indefensible? Judge it on its own merit. So because a supposed fan is a target that justifies his actions? People like you make me want to puke! Who are you? Are you VE with a different account? Look, some want Rohr fired, while some want him to stay. Fair enough. But to find reasons to defend the indefensible is sickening. You are clearly not a good person! A good person will call out wrong whenever he sees it.

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:35 am It's really interesting and comical that anyone could seriously think that anyone of us on this forum could actually be rooting for Super Eagles' failure. I mean, with the amount of time invested by each one of us into this wonderful SE's forum. C'mon guys!!! As aptly put by Damunk, it all comes down to defense mechanisms/psychological strategies and anxiety management. Nah wah for una o!

highbury wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 am

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

Dude, what is your issue? Why are you trying to defend the indefensible? Judge it on its own merit. So because a supposed fan is a target that justifies his actions? People like you make me want to puke! Who are you? Are you VE with a different account? Look, some want Rohr fired, while some want him to stay. Fair enough. But to find reasons to defend the indefensible is sickening. You are clearly not a good person! A good person will call out wrong whenever he sees it.

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:29 pm

Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:10 pm

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:04 pm -- problem with that is vancity was spotted on the big soccer forum openly celebrating the super eagles victory while here claiming to have been rooting for the elephants, raises questions to say the least.
I believe Vancity is a fan. I do not believe that he actually trooted for Ivory cOast on that particular day in spite of his claim that he will be. It was simply as mark of frustration of his with the team at the time.
-- i would disagree that nfl and nba fans root against their team when they are tanking, they don't mind their team losing there is obviously a difference.
Thank you! No fan does that, in my belief. I am a fan of Houston Rockets and the current spate of losses in the NBA grates. Make no mistake about it. Yet, at the end of the season I want the #1pick but all that is forgotten when a game is on the line. Better believe it. Same with Chicago Bears whom I support. It grates and it hurts.
-- why would you root for roy to lose when he was getting brutally knocked out? true fans were considered with his health.

time for my tea.

yes imagine the bears playing the packers week 16 in contention for the top pick and you rooting for the packers, nonsense from our brother bush.

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:46 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:45 pm I have seen posts in several threads where VE is attacked and called a "traitor" for once rooting against the SE against CIV. This really got me thinking about fandom, and the many instances where a fan might actually find it necessary to root against his own team.

Typically, these situations arise when a fan is willing to sacrifice success in the short term, for long term, sustained success. We see this in the NBA and NFL when a team will totally tank, and the fans will celebrate losses as each loss means a higher draft pick and the chance for their team to get a player who might secure the future of their team for a decade or more.

You also see this when the fan fears for the safety of his team or athlete. For example, I am a HUGE Roy Jones fan, and I remember when he started getting up in age but kept fighting. I was actually at the point rooting for my favorite boxer to LOSE! Because I could see his decline, and I feared that winning fights would give him the false sense that he still "had it" and he would end up facing a very dangerous boxer who would severely injure him.

For VE, he could see the team heading down a bad path under Keshi. The team selection was baffling and the squad was filled with undeserving players, even an injured player was selected at some point! He knew the only way the SE could be better was for Keshi to be fired, and for that to happen, we needed to lose games. His rooting against his team is actually the sign of a dedicated fan!

The idea that only a "traitor" roots against his team, is not only flawed, but ridiculous.

Just my musings this morning.

Only a fair weather fan would ever root against his own team. A true fan will criticize his team, perhaps even harshly, when he’s disappointed with their performance but would never root against it


Cheers.

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:12 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:46 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:45 pm I have seen posts in several threads where VE is attacked and called a "traitor" for once rooting against the SE against CIV. This really got me thinking about fandom, and the many instances where a fan might actually find it necessary to root against his own team.

Typically, these situations arise when a fan is willing to sacrifice success in the short term, for long term, sustained success. We see this in the NBA and NFL when a team will totally tank, and the fans will celebrate losses as each loss means a higher draft pick and the chance for their team to get a player who might secure the future of their team for a decade or more.

You also see this when the fan fears for the safety of his team or athlete. For example, I am a HUGE Roy Jones fan, and I remember when he started getting up in age but kept fighting. I was actually at the point rooting for my favorite boxer to LOSE! Because I could see his decline, and I feared that winning fights would give him the false sense that he still "had it" and he would end up facing a very dangerous boxer who would severely injure him.

For VE, he could see the team heading down a bad path under Keshi. The team selection was baffling and the squad was filled with undeserving players, even an injured player was selected at some point! He knew the only way the SE could be better was for Keshi to be fired, and for that to happen, we needed to lose games. His rooting against his team is actually the sign of a dedicated fan!

The idea that only a "traitor" roots against his team, is not only flawed, but ridiculous.

Just my musings this morning.

Only a fair weather fan would ever root against his own team. A true fan will criticize his team, perhaps even harshly, when he’s disappointed with their performance but would never root against it


Cheers.

They root against. That is a well documented fact throughout the history of sports. Like I said, this is usually done when the fan perceives that a loss TODAY will lead to many more wins in FUTURE. Not just in sports sef. In life. It is simple opportunity cost. Taking a decision you do not like TODAY, so you can get a better outcome tomorrow. I'm not sure why we are all pretending this doesn't happen.

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:43 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:12 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:46 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:45 pm I have seen posts in several threads where VE is attacked and called a "traitor" for once rooting against the SE against CIV. This really got me thinking about fandom, and the many instances where a fan might actually find it necessary to root against his own team.

Typically, these situations arise when a fan is willing to sacrifice success in the short term, for long term, sustained success. We see this in the NBA and NFL when a team will totally tank, and the fans will celebrate losses as each loss means a higher draft pick and the chance for their team to get a player who might secure the future of their team for a decade or more.

You also see this when the fan fears for the safety of his team or athlete. For example, I am a HUGE Roy Jones fan, and I remember when he started getting up in age but kept fighting. I was actually at the point rooting for my favorite boxer to LOSE! Because I could see his decline, and I feared that winning fights would give him the false sense that he still "had it" and he would end up facing a very dangerous boxer who would severely injure him.

For VE, he could see the team heading down a bad path under Keshi. The team selection was baffling and the squad was filled with undeserving players, even an injured player was selected at some point! He knew the only way the SE could be better was for Keshi to be fired, and for that to happen, we needed to lose games. His rooting against his team is actually the sign of a dedicated fan!

The idea that only a "traitor" roots against his team, is not only flawed, but ridiculous.

Just my musings this morning.

Only a fair weather fan would ever root against his own team. A true fan will criticize his team, perhaps even harshly, when he’s disappointed with their performance but would never root against it


Cheers.

They root against. That is a well documented fact throughout the history of sports. Like I said, this is usually done when the fan perceives that a loss TODAY will lead to many more wins in FUTURE. Not just in sports sef. In life. It is simple opportunity cost. Taking a decision you do not like TODAY, so you can get a better outcome tomorrow. I'm not sure why we are all pretending this doesn't happen.

Perhaps you should pay more attention to the term fair weather fan and go find out what it means


Cheers.

fabio wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 pm

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

Laughing thread is a CE tradition. Opened when a team loses, not before.

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:18 pm

fabio wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 pm

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

Laughing thread is a CE tradition. Opened when a team loses, not before.

I'm sure you were one of the contributors to that laughing thread! Does it not strike you as weird laughing at your own team?

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:16 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:43 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:12 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:46 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:45 pm I have seen posts in several threads where VE is attacked and called a "traitor" for once rooting against the SE against CIV. This really got me thinking about fandom, and the many instances where a fan might actually find it necessary to root against his own team.

Typically, these situations arise when a fan is willing to sacrifice success in the short term, for long term, sustained success. We see this in the NBA and NFL when a team will totally tank, and the fans will celebrate losses as each loss means a higher draft pick and the chance for their team to get a player who might secure the future of their team for a decade or more.

You also see this when the fan fears for the safety of his team or athlete. For example, I am a HUGE Roy Jones fan, and I remember when he started getting up in age but kept fighting. I was actually at the point rooting for my favorite boxer to LOSE! Because I could see his decline, and I feared that winning fights would give him the false sense that he still "had it" and he would end up facing a very dangerous boxer who would severely injure him.

For VE, he could see the team heading down a bad path under Keshi. The team selection was baffling and the squad was filled with undeserving players, even an injured player was selected at some point! He knew the only way the SE could be better was for Keshi to be fired, and for that to happen, we needed to lose games. His rooting against his team is actually the sign of a dedicated fan!

The idea that only a "traitor" roots against his team, is not only flawed, but ridiculous.

Just my musings this morning.

Only a fair weather fan would ever root against his own team. A true fan will criticize his team, perhaps even harshly, when he’s disappointed with their performance but would never root against it


Cheers.

They root against. That is a well documented fact throughout the history of sports. Like I said, this is usually done when the fan perceives that a loss TODAY will lead to many more wins in FUTURE. Not just in sports sef. In life. It is simple opportunity cost. Taking a decision you do not like TODAY, so you can get a better outcome tomorrow. I'm not sure why we are all pretending this doesn't happen.

Perhaps you should pay more attention to the term fair weather fan and go find out what it means


Cheers.

REAL fans root against their team SOMETIMES! It's not an issue of being "fairweather"

YemiBrazil wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:32 pm Nice thread

Reaction formation... interesting. Thanks, and spot on Uncle Damunk!

highbury wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:43 pm

YemiBrazil wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:32 pm Nice thread

Reaction formation... interesting. Thanks, and spot on Uncle Damunk!

Even though you never gave me the credit for " reaction formation" defense mechanism which I mentioned. You are quite welcome

fabio wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 pm

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:27 am VE is always the target but I remember some members of this forum opened a laughing thread on Rohr and the SE after South Africa beat us 2-0 in Uyo in a 2019 AFCON qualifier.
So what's the difference?

Laughing thread is a CE tradition. Opened when a team loses, not before.

Abbey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:52 pm Again look at my categories of fan types. Yes some fans will want the bears to lose because they see incentives in doing so. The die-hard bears fans will never. And by the way you pick the wrong team for your analogy. I am a die-hard bears fan. No way on earth will I root for the packers against the bears.
Da Bears!!

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:06 pm

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:29 pm

Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:10 pm

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:04 pm -- problem with that is vancity was spotted on the big soccer forum openly celebrating the super eagles victory while here claiming to have been rooting for the elephants, raises questions to say the least.
I believe Vancity is a fan. I do not believe that he actually trooted for Ivory cOast on that particular day in spite of his claim that he will be. It was simply as mark of frustration of his with the team at the time.
-- i would disagree that nfl and nba fans root against their team when they are tanking, they don't mind their team losing there is obviously a difference.
Thank you! No fan does that, in my belief. I am a fan of Houston Rockets and the current spate of losses in the NBA grates. Make no mistake about it. Yet, at the end of the season I want the #1pick but all that is forgotten when a game is on the line. Better believe it. Same with Chicago Bears whom I support. It grates and it hurts.
-- why would you root for roy to lose when he was getting brutally knocked out? true fans were considered with his health.

time for my tea.

yes imagine the bears playing the packers week 16 in contention for the top pick and you rooting for the packers, nonsense from our brother bush.

If the bears are playing the packers in week 16 of a lost season, where a LOSS would guarantee them the #1 draft pick in a draft where a QB in the mold of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady was available, only a liar would pretend that Bears fan would not prefer to lose on that day. I went to law school in Jacksonville in the years when that team really sucked. I know how diehard fans felt about their draft position. So please, don't come here and tell me that a fan would never root for their team to lose. I have seen the situation with my own eyes many times!!

King Futcha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:57 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:06 pm

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:29 pm

Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:10 pm

King Futcha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:04 pm -- problem with that is vancity was spotted on the big soccer forum openly celebrating the super eagles victory while here claiming to have been rooting for the elephants, raises questions to say the least.
I believe Vancity is a fan. I do not believe that he actually trooted for Ivory cOast on that particular day in spite of his claim that he will be. It was simply as mark of frustration of his with the team at the time.
-- i would disagree that nfl and nba fans root against their team when they are tanking, they don't mind their team losing there is obviously a difference.
Thank you! No fan does that, in my belief. I am a fan of Houston Rockets and the current spate of losses in the NBA grates. Make no mistake about it. Yet, at the end of the season I want the #1pick but all that is forgotten when a game is on the line. Better believe it. Same with Chicago Bears whom I support. It grates and it hurts.
-- why would you root for roy to lose when he was getting brutally knocked out? true fans were considered with his health.

time for my tea.

yes imagine the bears playing the packers week 16 in contention for the top pick and you rooting for the packers, nonsense from our brother bush.

If the bears are playing the packers in week 16 of a lost season, where a LOSS would guarantee them the #1 draft pick in a draft where a QB in the mold of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady was available, only a liar would pretend that Bears fan would not prefer to lose on that day. I went to law school in Jacksonville in the years when that team really sucked. I know how diehard fans felt about their draft position. So please, don't come here and tell me that a fan would never root for their team to lose. I have seen the situation with my own eyes many times!!

you said root against not prefer a loss, there is a difference, no true fan would ever under any circumstances root for a bitter rival team, full stop.

the jags with no history less than 30 years old franchise. i seriously question how many 'die hard' fans they had in the time period you're referring to maybe now but in the 90s those same fans you speak of were a fans of a different team, very poor example.

Dammy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:18 pm I'm sure you were one of the contributors to that laughing thread! Does it not strike you as weird laughing at your own team?

Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:54 pm

Abbey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:52 pm Again look at my categories of fan types. Yes some fans will want the bears to lose because they see incentives in doing so. The die-hard bears fans will never. And by the way you pick the wrong team for your analogy. I am a die-hard bears fan. No way on earth will I root for the packers against the bears.
Da Bears!!

Abbey, so you are one of us? I have been a Bears fan for long and keep hoping that I can relive 1985 all of again. Maybe SE can bring back 1994 or even better in the future.

YemiBrazil wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:46 pm

highbury wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:43 pm

YemiBrazil wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:32 pm Nice thread

Reaction formation... interesting. Thanks, and spot on Uncle Damunk!

Even though you never gave me the credit for " reaction formation" defense mechanism which I mentioned. You are quite welcome

Uncle Damunk don win the Ballon D'Or but we go manufacture your own credit too.