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Cellular wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:21 pm

Purity wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:41 pm According to Shina Okeleji of the BBC:

NFF boss met Sports Minister to discuss Gernot Rohr's future. Rohr wants his money+4 months’ wages, WCQ2022 playoff & AFCON 2021Q bonus.

Ex-Serbia Mladen Krstajić - one of several options, according to a top official.

Jo Bonfrere, 75, HAS NOT applied.

Or else what?

He will continue to coach them for free while being owed?

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm In America (and most civilized world), if you dont take your yearly vacation, they will issue a probe on your department to assess whether there is something you are hiding. Firms do this privately--i know this for a fact!

Here, you have a man who has been humiliated and fired and he is refusing to leave and the natives are clapping! instead of them to ask the vital questions, why are you holding on so tight?? what is so special about Nigeria that you do not want to leave. What are you hiding? They didnt have to tell Oliseh twice, he packed his bags and walked! That is a man with integrity. Here, this one is holding on and even threatening us that he will spend his own money to serve us for the rest of his life. Are we not concerned that there is something this fellow does not want us to uncover, when he is gone???

kawawa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:15 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:50 pm

kawawa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:34 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm In America (and most civilized world), if you dont take your yearly vacation, they will issue a probe on your department to assess whether there is something you are hiding. Firms do this privately--i know this for a fact!

Here, you have a man who has been humiliated and fired and he is refusing to leave and the natives are clapping! instead of them to ask the vital questions, why are you holding on so tight?? what is so special about Nigeria that you do not want to leave. What are you hiding? They didnt have to tell Oliseh twice, he packed his bags and walked! That is a man with integrity. Here, this one is holding on and even threatening us that he will spend his own money to serve us for the rest of his life. Are we not concerned that there is something this fellow does not want us to uncover, when he is gone???

There is a bit of a spin your logic. They hired him and they can fire him true. They just can’t do it without paying what they owe him. No one in America can do that. I would not. Coaches are fired all the time most with severance packages but we are talking about work already done! Most here would not leave a penny on the table let alone the kind of money he is owed. The NFF is downright incompetent. They cannot get rid of someone because they could not meet the basic requirements of an employment. Pay for work done and people are talking of getting a world class coach. Would any of you work for these guys?

Bro, that is NOT how it works! They can fire him anytime they want to and in fact, if its true that they dont have money to pay him, then its actually in their best interest to fire him in order to limit the "damages." In the America you mentioned, this is how it will work! You fire the person and then reach an agreement with them on severance. You can pay them in installments. Afterall, in Europe thats how they do it. People rarely pay the coach completely! they pay them over a period of time.

in a place like Nigeria, its even easier! They can sack him and invite him to a negotiation which they can drag on for a long time. He has one of two recourse (1) the court of arbitration for sports -- with covid, his case will take a while to get called; and (2) a court in Nigeria -- since that is the jurisdiction that governs the employment relationship. And we know a court in Nigeria will not sit to hear his case for the next 1 year or so.

The honest truth which you guys are too afraid to contemplate and accept is that the NFF does NOT want to get rid of ****! They need him and they want him! He is the guy who does it for them! He is the reason they are able to reduce the Eagles to a sh1t worthless team and benefit financially from it. They cant take that chance! They cant take that chance to bring in a serious man like Oliseh who will not allow them to share agent fees on players heads! They cant take the chance to bring in a coach who will not allow them to schedule nonsense friendlies that line their pockets. Una never jam! When the elephant fight, it is us fans who will weep and be shamed with shameless performances. It is us, who will feel hurt, who will cry and who will be mocked by our opponents. The NFF will move on to their next pocket lining fiesta -- the world cup qualifiers!

Which America are you talking about. Have you ever owed anyone months of end of salary, who theoretical has met contractual obligations and then fire them. Sure you can ease then out and renegotiate terms but not this way. Rohr will go but obviously he has NFF over a barrel. A public humiliation that mounts by the day is added bonus to the money he will surely get. They need to pay him. I wonder where they get the money for the great new world class coach

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

mcal wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:49 pm
In America one has to have committed an egregious offense, on his job or outside, to be fire any time.
Contracts are obey and followed.

kawawa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:15 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:50 pm

kawawa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:34 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm In America (and most civilized world), if you dont take your yearly vacation, they will issue a probe on your department to assess whether there is something you are hiding. Firms do this privately--i know this for a fact!

Here, you have a man who has been humiliated and fired and he is refusing to leave and the natives are clapping! instead of them to ask the vital questions, why are you holding on so tight?? what is so special about Nigeria that you do not want to leave. What are you hiding? They didnt have to tell Oliseh twice, he packed his bags and walked! That is a man with integrity. Here, this one is holding on and even threatening us that he will spend his own money to serve us for the rest of his life. Are we not concerned that there is something this fellow does not want us to uncover, when he is gone???

There is a bit of a spin your logic. They hired him and they can fire him true. They just can’t do it without paying what they owe him. No one in America can do that. I would not. Coaches are fired all the time most with severance packages but we are talking about work already done! Most here would not leave a penny on the table let alone the kind of money he is owed. The NFF is downright incompetent. They cannot get rid of someone because they could not meet the basic requirements of an employment. Pay for work done and people are talking of getting a world class coach. Would any of you work for these guys?

Bro, that is NOT how it works! They can fire him anytime they want to and in fact, if its true that they dont have money to pay him, then its actually in their best interest to fire him in order to limit the "damages." In the America you mentioned, this is how it will work! You fire the person and then reach an agreement with them on severance. You can pay them in installments. Afterall, in Europe thats how they do it. People rarely pay the coach completely! they pay them over a period of time.

in a place like Nigeria, its even easier! They can sack him and invite him to a negotiation which they can drag on for a long time. He has one of two recourse (1) the court of arbitration for sports -- with covid, his case will take a while to get called; and (2) a court in Nigeria -- since that is the jurisdiction that governs the employment relationship. And we know a court in Nigeria will not sit to hear his case for the next 1 year or so.

The honest truth which you guys are too afraid to contemplate and accept is that the NFF does NOT want to get rid of ****! They need him and they want him! He is the guy who does it for them! He is the reason they are able to reduce the Eagles to a sh1t worthless team and benefit financially from it. They cant take that chance! They cant take that chance to bring in a serious man like Oliseh who will not allow them to share agent fees on players heads! They cant take the chance to bring in a coach who will not allow them to schedule nonsense friendlies that line their pockets. Una never jam! When the elephant fight, it is us fans who will weep and be shamed with shameless performances. It is us, who will feel hurt, who will cry and who will be mocked by our opponents. The NFF will move on to their next pocket lining fiesta -- the world cup qualifiers!

Which America are you talking about. Have you ever owed anyone months of end of salary, who theoretical has met contractual obligations and then fire them. Sure you can ease then out and renegotiate terms but not this way. Rohr will go but obviously he has NFF over a barrel. A public humiliation that mounts by the day is added bonus to the money he will surely get. They need to pay him. I wonder where they get the money for the great new world class coach

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

Otitokoro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:35 pm He has yet to be officially terminated, so he is still the coach (at least, as of Dec 04, 2021).
If the Minister decides to stop him, that will be deemed governmental interference and Nigeria might be suspended.
Rohr has, in his capacity as the coach of the Nigerian MNT, has submitted his list of 40 players and is preparing to coach the team at AFCON.
The ball is in the court of the NFF.

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

Otitokoro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:35 pm He has yet to be officially terminated, so he is still the coach (at least, as of Dec 04, 2021).
If the Minister decides to stop him, that will be deemed governmental interference and Nigeria might be suspended.
Rohr has, in his capacity as the coach of the Nigerian MNT, has submitted his list of 40 players and is preparing to coach the team at AFCON.
The ball is in the court of the NFF.

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

danfo driver wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:57 pm

kawawa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:15 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:50 pm

kawawa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:34 pm

danfo driver wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:39 pm In America (and most civilized world), if you dont take your yearly vacation, they will issue a probe on your department to assess whether there is something you are hiding. Firms do this privately--i know this for a fact!

Here, you have a man who has been humiliated and fired and he is refusing to leave and the natives are clapping! instead of them to ask the vital questions, why are you holding on so tight?? what is so special about Nigeria that you do not want to leave. What are you hiding? They didnt have to tell Oliseh twice, he packed his bags and walked! That is a man with integrity. Here, this one is holding on and even threatening us that he will spend his own money to serve us for the rest of his life. Are we not concerned that there is something this fellow does not want us to uncover, when he is gone???

There is a bit of a spin your logic. They hired him and they can fire him true. They just can’t do it without paying what they owe him. No one in America can do that. I would not. Coaches are fired all the time most with severance packages but we are talking about work already done! Most here would not leave a penny on the table let alone the kind of money he is owed. The NFF is downright incompetent. They cannot get rid of someone because they could not meet the basic requirements of an employment. Pay for work done and people are talking of getting a world class coach. Would any of you work for these guys?

Bro, that is NOT how it works! They can fire him anytime they want to and in fact, if its true that they dont have money to pay him, then its actually in their best interest to fire him in order to limit the "damages." In the America you mentioned, this is how it will work! You fire the person and then reach an agreement with them on severance. You can pay them in installments. Afterall, in Europe thats how they do it. People rarely pay the coach completely! they pay them over a period of time.

in a place like Nigeria, its even easier! They can sack him and invite him to a negotiation which they can drag on for a long time. He has one of two recourse (1) the court of arbitration for sports -- with covid, his case will take a while to get called; and (2) a court in Nigeria -- since that is the jurisdiction that governs the employment relationship. And we know a court in Nigeria will not sit to hear his case for the next 1 year or so.

The honest truth which you guys are too afraid to contemplate and accept is that the NFF does NOT want to get rid of ****! They need him and they want him! He is the guy who does it for them! He is the reason they are able to reduce the Eagles to a sh1t worthless team and benefit financially from it. They cant take that chance! They cant take that chance to bring in a serious man like Oliseh who will not allow them to share agent fees on players heads! They cant take the chance to bring in a coach who will not allow them to schedule nonsense friendlies that line their pockets. Una never jam! When the elephant fight, it is us fans who will weep and be shamed with shameless performances. It is us, who will feel hurt, who will cry and who will be mocked by our opponents. The NFF will move on to their next pocket lining fiesta -- the world cup qualifiers!

Which America are you talking about. Have you ever owed anyone months of end of salary, who theoretical has met contractual obligations and then fire them. Sure you can ease then out and renegotiate terms but not this way. Rohr will go but obviously he has NFF over a barrel. A public humiliation that mounts by the day is added bonus to the money he will surely get. They need to pay him. I wonder where they get the money for the great new world class coach

your comments doesnt make much sense and doesnt even relate to my own comments. I cant help you with a response.

Otitokoro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:35 pm He has yet to be officially terminated, so he is still the coach (at least, as of Dec 04, 2021).
If the Minister decides to stop him, that will be deemed governmental interference and Nigeria might be suspended.
Rohr has, in his capacity as the coach of the Nigerian MNT, has submitted his list of 40 players and is preparing to coach the team at AFCON.
The ball is in the court of the NFF.

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:55 pm

Otitokoro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:35 pm He has yet to be officially terminated, so he is still the coach (at least, as of Dec 04, 2021).
If the Minister decides to stop him, that will be deemed governmental interference and Nigeria might be suspended.
Rohr has, in his capacity as the coach of the Nigerian MNT, has submitted his list of 40 players and is preparing to coach the team at AFCON.
The ball is in the court of the NFF.

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

Otitokoro

TBH, I do not even think this is the crux of the issue.

Rohr can be fired now and damn the consequences.

There will be nothing like FIFA suspension on that. It has happened many times over and never a FIFA suspension as long as the NFF supports it. Is the NFF not in support of a sack?

Let's call a spade a spade. The hang up is about Pinnick himself and his calculation of his future in FIFA politics. He does not want to attract FIFA's ire. It is just that simple.

The reality is that all FIFA will do is be pissed off and then deduct Rohr's wages from Nigeria's WC earnings. That has been the process in previous cases in situations like this. The larger downside is that Pinnick's standing in FIFA politics will sustain a huge hit. That is the coco of the matter.

Adisboy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:57 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:55 pm

Otitokoro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:35 pm He has yet to be officially terminated, so he is still the coach (at least, as of Dec 04, 2021).
If the Minister decides to stop him, that will be deemed governmental interference and Nigeria might be suspended.
Rohr has, in his capacity as the coach of the Nigerian MNT, has submitted his list of 40 players and is preparing to coach the team at AFCON.
The ball is in the court of the NFF.

ohenhen1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:45 pm No Rohr shouldn't be allowed to coach another game for Nigeria. Nigeria need to use Afcon to prepare the team for world cup qualifiers.

Otitokoro

TBH, I do not even think this is the crux of the issue.

Rohr can be fired now and damn the consequences.

There will be nothing like FIFA suspension on that. It has happened many times over and never a FIFA suspension as long as the NFF supports it. Is the NFF not in support of a sack?

Let's call a spade a spade. The hang up is about Pinnick himself and his calculation of his future in FIFA politics. He does not want to attract FIFA's ire. It is just that simple.

The reality is that all FIFA will do is be pissed off and then deduct Rohr's wages from Nigeria's WC earnings. That has been the process in previous cases in situations like this. The larger downside is that Pinnick's standing in FIFA politics will sustain a huge hit. That is the coco of the matter.

Prof, you are wrong. Nowadays you get suspended or thrown out of competitions. Check why Zimbabwe were disqualified from the 2018 World Cup qualifiers, it was because they fired their coach & couldn't pay him off. THIS IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THE CURRENT DEBACLE, not Pinnick's ambitions.

Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:39 pm The question we have failed to ask is why is Rohr still keeping himself in a job?

This people have not paid you….

The players don’t like you

The supporters don’t want you….

The employers don’t want you……

…..what kind do a man with no shame will remain at the job …….?

Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:39 pm The question we have failed to ask is why is Rohr still keeping himself in a job?

This people have not paid you….

The players don’t like you

The supporters don’t want you….

The employers don’t want you……

…..what kind do a man with no shame will remain at the job …….?

maceo4 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:39 pm The question we have failed to ask is why is Rohr still keeping himself in a job?

This people have not paid you….

The players don’t like you

The supporters don’t want you….

The employers don’t want you……

…..what kind do a man with no shame will remain at the job …….?

One who honors a contract, abi is that a foreign concept in Naija? So he should live his life based on ‘feelings’? He is not in breach of his contract, NFF are by not paying him, if they want to terminate the contract they know what they need to do and haven’t so why should **** bear any blame here? I really don’t get this kind of mindset. He’s done nothing wrong as far as his contract dictates, if you want to get rid of him you follow the terms of your AGREEMENT!

maceo4 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:39 pm The question we have failed to ask is why is Rohr still keeping himself in a job?

This people have not paid you….

The players don’t like you

The supporters don’t want you….

The employers don’t want you……

…..what kind do a man with no shame will remain at the job …….?

One who honors a contract, abi is that a foreign concept in Naija? So he should live his life based on ‘feelings’? He is not in breach of his contract, NFF are by not paying him, if they want to terminate the contract they know what they need to do and haven’t so why should **** bear any blame here? I really don’t get this kind of mindset. He’s done nothing wrong as far as his contract dictates, if you want to get rid of him you follow the terms of your AGREEMENT!