SE Midfield conundrum….

[Cellular]

You are misunderstanding what I have said.

I didn't say chemistry is not important.

I said our coaches are using "chemistry" as an excuse for their poor or corrupt selections.

I said if they are going to use the "chemistry" argument then our team Berra be firing on all cylinders and more than often it is not, which proves it wasn't really about "chemistry" but something else entirely.

For example you cannot say that playing Moses Simon, Collins, Musa etc is because of "chemistry" when our team and those players specifically look like crap and display nothing even remote to "chemistry".

Moses Simon gets on the field and stays on the field because he gives you defensive solidity. It becomes evident when he doesn't start. And those 'better' players who want to get on the field should double their defensive effort. Think Garba Lawal, think Olofinjana, just to name a few.

Once upon a time, Onyekuru was a one-way player... so were Chukwueze and Kalu. But you see them improve on their defensive role in an attempt to get on the team and stay on the team.

If we acknowledge that you defend as a team (unit) then you can see why some players will play ahead of others.

Personally, there are some players I won't play or players I will manage even with their defensive frailties.

Throughout the history of the Eagles there have been head-scratchers even with oyibo coaches. You do recall that it took fans to force Westerhoff to start Okocha and to start Chidi Nwanu among others... Same way we wondered about why certain players always seemed to get shirts before presumably better players...

[Enyi]

You are misunderstanding what I have said.

I didn't say chemistry is not important.

I said our coaches are using "chemistry" as an excuse for their poor or corrupt selections.

I said if they are going to use the "chemistry" argument then our team Berra be firing on all cylinders and more than often it is not, which proves it wasn't really about "chemistry" but something else entirely.

For example you cannot say that playing Moses Simon, Collins, Musa etc is because of "chemistry" when our team and those players specifically look like crap and display nothing even remote to "chemistry".

Okay. That makes more sense.

[Enyi]

You are misunderstanding what I have said.

I didn't say chemistry is not important.

I said our coaches are using "chemistry" as an excuse for their poor or corrupt selections.

I said if they are going to use the "chemistry" argument then our team Berra be firing on all cylinders and more than often it is not, which proves it wasn't really about "chemistry" but something else entirely.

For example you cannot say that playing Moses Simon, Collins, Musa etc is because of "chemistry" when our team and those players specifically look like crap and display nothing even remote to "chemistry".

Moses Simon gets on the field and stays on the field because he gives you defensive solidity. It becomes evident when he doesn't start. And those 'better' players who want to get on the field should double their defensive effort. Think Garba Lawal, think Olofinjana, just to name a few.

Once upon a time, Onyekuru was a one-way player... so were Chukwueze and Kalu. But you see them improve on their defensive role in an attempt to get on the team and stay on the team.

If we acknowledge that you defend as a team (unit) then you can see why some players will play ahead of others.

Personally, there are some players I won't play or players I will manage even with their defensive frailties.

Throughout the history of the Eagles there have been head-scratchers even with oyibo coaches. You do recall that it took fans to force Westerhoff to start Okocha and to start Chidi Nwanu among others... Same way we wondered about why certain players always seemed to get shirts before presumably better players...

Cellular, you can’t make this argument using Okocha as an example….the guy carried teams and we found that him and Oliseh….did have the said chemistry….

The issue here is trial….

We can all agree that our football is an eye sore…pro Rohr or not…

That tells me that the team ain’t working chemistry or not….. and if it is broke try to fix it…..

How many friendlies as gone by and Rohr tried nobody new that wasn’t forced on him by injury?

That means that when Ndidi or Oshimen gets injured, we left scratching our heads for ideal replacements and using players for the 1st time in important games….

Call up players try them in friendlies and in the training ground….see if there is any Chemistry….

Not trying them enough and recalling old heads like Ighalo is a sin punishable by Sacking

[Enyi]

We don't have a "midfield conundrum"

We have a "ROHR CONUNDRUM"

Central Midfield shortage then….

There is no shortage.

Ovie Ejaria
Alhassan Yusuf
Obinna Nwobodo
Tom Dele Bashiru
Raphael Onyedika

Rohr is just a complete moron.

Come on…..

Yusuf is average, Nwobodo is ok. Bashiru is also ok…Onyedika, I like.

With the above options, we are still short

How do you know? Has Yusuf been giving a chance to compete for a SE shirt? The boy plays for one of the top clubs in Belguim in a position where we are light on bodies but is average? At least give him an opportunity to comepete.

My problem with Yusuf is exactly what I see in Tella….Hardwork

Yusuf is more talented, I think but Tella backs his with 200% effort

[Cellular]

You are misunderstanding what I have said.

I didn't say chemistry is not important.

I said our coaches are using "chemistry" as an excuse for their poor or corrupt selections.

I said if they are going to use the "chemistry" argument then our team Berra be firing on all cylinders and more than often it is not, which proves it wasn't really about "chemistry" but something else entirely.

For example you cannot say that playing Moses Simon, Collins, Musa etc is because of "chemistry" when our team and those players specifically look like crap and display nothing even remote to "chemistry".

Moses Simon gets on the field and stays on the field because he gives you defensive solidity. It becomes evident when he doesn't start. And those 'better' players who want to get on the field should double their defensive effort. Think Garba Lawal, think Olofinjana, just to name a few.

Once upon a time, Onyekuru was a one-way player... so were Chukwueze and Kalu. But you see them improve on their defensive role in an attempt to get on the team and stay on the team.

If we acknowledge that you defend as a team (unit) then you can see why some players will play ahead of others.

Personally, there are some players I won't play or players I will manage even with their defensive frailties.

Throughout the history of the Eagles there have been head-scratchers even with oyibo coaches. You do recall that it took fans to force Westerhoff to start Okocha and to start Chidi Nwanu among others... Same way we wondered about why certain players always seemed to get shirts before presumably better players...

Cellular, you can’t make this argument using Okocha as an example….the guy carried teams and we found that him and Oliseh….did have the said chemistry….

Not earlier on in his Eagles career.

Dude was a big-time liability as he didn't offer anything defensively and he played to entertain himself (and the crowd).

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

BTW, Kelechi Nwakali is now playing as a AM for Huesca and starting. I dont know about you folks but imho he's a more impactful player than Iwobi in that position. Just saying

[airwolex]

Just thinking that we have a limited Midfield pool…at the moment.

Nathan Tella at Southampton us one that will play for us if asked….

Another option is Carney Chukwuemeka at Villa, come in last game and played well….he is highly regarded in England set-up so might be a bit harder to get but worth a try….

Disclaimer: I do not know this players (apart from Tella when he was at Arsenal - and not personally). I am not an agent either

Nathan Tella is a winger and form what i've seen of him he's not even as good as Lookman let alone the level required at the SE.

I like the young man. He is a ard worker, but he is not better than anything we have right now, not been better than the people knocking at the door.

We just need to admit that we have a bunch of average players at the moment.

[vancity eagle]

The Moses Simon "defends" argument is a poor one.

First off which of our wingers is poor at defending?

Ejuke was running his socks off in the games he played. Chuks and Kalu have been doing the same. The Lookman of today defends more than he attacks. Dennis also runs his socks off, so I really don't see any defensive benefit for starting Simon. Not to mention that the so called "defensive" Simon completely list his man and cost us a goal vs Cape Verde in the away match.

Most important a wingers PRIMARY job is to attack, create chances, whip in crosses, and score.

You would never start a piss poor defender because he had a good scoring record.

Simon has ZERO GOALS AND ZERO ASSISTS IN OVER 2 YEARS. Plus he cannot cross to save his life.

If you think you just continue playing such a player when we have PLENTY of other options then you are mad, and are supporting everything that is wrong with our current crappy form.

How can you wonder why we are so poor at scoring goals when we rely on such mediocre players.

[Enugu II]

The Moses Simon "defends" argument is a poor one.

First off which of our wingers is poor at defending?

Ejuke was running his socks off in the games he played. Chuks and Kalu have been doing the same. The Lookman of today defends more than he attacks. Dennis also runs his socks off, so I really don't see any defensive benefit for starting Simon. Not to mention that the so called "defensive" Simon completely list his man and cost us a goal vs Cape Verde in the away match.

Most important a wingers PRIMARY job is to attack, create chances, whip in crosses, and score.

You would never start a piss poor defender because he had a good scoring record.

Simon has ZERO GOALS AND ZERO ASSISTS IN OVER 2 YEARS. Plus he cannot cross to save his life.

If you think you just continue playing such a player when we have PLENTY of other options then you are mad, and are supporting everything that is wrong with our current crappy form.

How can you wonder why we are so poor at scoring goals when we rely on such mediocre players.

VE,

But that position is not called the wing FORWARD. You seem to be thinking old style soccer. It is called a wide-midfielder. A midfielder's task is to both attack and defend. Now I understand why you wail, erroneously, when the SE list is announced and you misconstrue the list of wide p[layers as constituting forwards instead of midfielders. Now it is clear to me.

[vancity eagle]

EII none of those aforementioned players are "wide midfielders" or even traditional wingers.

They are ALL wide forwards.

Some of them even play as strikers for their clubs.

Nigeria has a long tradition of using wide forwards and have lacked true old school wingers like Finidi George.

All of this semantically arguments are a distraction from my main point that Simon IS NOT PRODUCTIVE in his position and needs to be replaced asap. Or else we can expect the same toothless football we have been playing.

[Tobi17]

The continous defence of Moses Simon will never make sense to me, if it was just about been "hard working", then any one of us here can easily do that job, and we're not even professional footballers... Like give me more at this point.

[vancity eagle]

The continous defence of Moses Simon will never make sense to me, if it was just about been "hard working", then any one of us here can easily do that job, and we're not even professional footballers... Like give me more at this point.

It is unbelievable that we have watched SE become so toothless and unable to create chances and score goals, and folks cannot even identify the players responsible who have been favorites of the football clown coach.

A winger who has started most matches over the past 2 years. NOT ONE GOAL OR ASSIST. And folks are happy to say "he works hard" then wonder why we aren't scoring goals.

How many of our very few goals in world cup qualifying have been gifted to us ?

Without these gifted goals we would have been eliminated from the world cup.

But let's keep doing the same failed thing and hope for a different result. Unbelievable. No wonder we have sunk so low.

[Otitokoro]

Violently agree.
Oliseh confirmed as much (during his NFF awards ceremony speech)

You are misunderstanding what I have said.

I didn't say chemistry is not important.

I said our coaches are using "chemistry" as an excuse for their poor or corrupt selections.

I said if they are going to use the "chemistry" argument then our team Berra be firing on all cylinders and more than often it is not, which proves it wasn't really about "chemistry" but something else entirely.

For example you cannot say that playing Moses Simon, Collins, Musa etc is because of "chemistry" when our team and those players specifically look like crap and display nothing even remote to "chemistry".

Moses Simon gets on the field and stays on the field because he gives you defensive solidity. It becomes evident when he doesn't start. And those 'better' players who want to get on the field should double their defensive effort. Think Garba Lawal, think Olofinjana, just to name a few.

Once upon a time, Onyekuru was a one-way player... so were Chukwueze and Kalu. But you see them improve on their defensive role in an attempt to get on the team and stay on the team.

If we acknowledge that you defend as a team (unit) then you can see why some players will play ahead of others.

Personally, there are some players I won't play or players I will manage even with their defensive frailties.

Throughout the history of the Eagles there have been head-scratchers even with oyibo coaches. You do recall that it took fans to force Westerhoff to start Okocha and to start Chidi Nwanu among others... Same way we wondered about why certain players always seemed to get shirts before presumably better players...

Cellular, you can’t make this argument using Okocha as an example….the guy carried teams and we found that him and Oliseh….did have the said chemistry….

Not earlier on in his Eagles career.

Dude was a big-time liability as he didn't offer anything defensively and he played to entertain himself (and the crowd).

[Enyi]

Okocha was a big time liability but it took a good coach….an average coach to tame him down….do u see Rohr doing the same? He would rather call back Mikel….

The Moses argument is piss poor the guy is average for us period but I think Rohr reads too much articles from owngoalNigeria…..

I think the guy that owns that website is Moses’s agent or his Mum….

[Cellular]

Okocha was a big time liability but it took a good coach….an average coach to tame him down….do u see Rohr doing the same? He would rather call back Mikel….

The Moses argument is piss poor the guy is average for us period but I think Rohr reads too much articles from owngoalNigeria…..

I think the guy that owns that website is Moses’s agent or his Mum….

It boils down to coaching philosophy.

Does what the guy give you defensively compensate for any differential with a better offensive player?

Personally, IMO, for teams you want to overwhelm with superior firepower, he should NOT be starting. But for teams you will need better defensive solidity against, you will need his two-way abilities.

[Enyi]

Okocha was a big time liability but it took a good coach….an average coach to tame him down….do u see Rohr doing the same? He would rather call back Mikel….

The Moses argument is piss poor the guy is average for us period but I think Rohr reads too much articles from owngoalNigeria…..

I think the guy that owns that website is Moses’s agent or his Mum….

It boils down to coaching philosophy.

Does what the guy give you defensively compensate for any differential with a better offensive player?

Personally, IMO, for teams you want to overwhelm with superior firepower, he should NOT be starting. But for teams you will need better defensive solidity against, you will need his two-way abilities.

We can Agree on this one

[The YeyeMan]

Another option is Carney Chukwuemeka at Villa, come in last game and played well….he is highly regarded in England set-up so might be a bit harder to get but worth a try….

He's very highly regarded. Considered to have similar potential as Saka. Definitely worth a punt.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

Another option is Carney Chukwuemeka at Villa, come in last game and played well….he is highly regarded in England set-up so might be a bit harder to get but worth a try….

He's very highly regarded. Considered to have similar potential as Saka. Definitely worth a punt.

Dude is a baller. Can play AM but I think he's an England player.

[Cellular]

I will like to see Etebo get healthy and in playing condition.

I will also like for us to experiment pushing Aribo further up to truly play the number 10 role over Iheanacho with a base of Ndidi and Etebo behind him.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

I will like to see Etebo get healthy and in playing condition.

I will also like for us to experiment pushing Aribo further up to truly play the number 10 role over Iheanacho with a base of Ndidi and Etebo behind him.

We've seen what Etebo can do in a few tournaments already, he doesn't improve us much. That Chukwemeka is on a different level.

[Sunset]

I will like to see Etebo get healthy and in playing condition.

I will also like for us to experiment pushing Aribo further up to truly play the number 10 role over Iheanacho with a base of Ndidi and Etebo behind him.

Yup!! Missing Etebo was a huge blow to our Nations cup chances from the get go, something that most fans fail to realize just how important he is. In terms of what he offers, he's more mobile than Ndidi while he also has better defensive awareness than an Aribo. Them as a 3 man midfield would make a lot of sense

[Tobi17]

I will like to see Etebo get healthy and in playing condition.

I will also like for us to experiment pushing Aribo further up to truly play the number 10 role over Iheanacho with a base of Ndidi and Etebo behind him.

Yup!! Missing Etebo was a huge blow to our Nations cup chances from the get go, something that most fans fail to realize just how important he is. In terms of what he offers, he's more mobile than Ndidi while he also has better defensive awareness than an Aribo. Them as a 3 man midfield would make a lot of sense

Yup, Etebo and Ndidi have always had a solid partnership, the midfield duo were crucial to our Semi final journey in the last AFCON, that's why we need to revert back to 4-3-3 and not that outdated 4-2-4 crap Eguavoen fielded in this AFCON.

[Cellular]

I will like to see Etebo get healthy and in playing condition.

I will also like for us to experiment pushing Aribo further up to truly play the number 10 role over Iheanacho with a base of Ndidi and Etebo behind him.

Yup!! Missing Etebo was a huge blow to our Nations cup chances from the get go, something that most fans fail to realize just how important he is. In terms of what he offers, he's more mobile than Ndidi while he also has better defensive awareness than an Aribo. Them as a 3 man midfield would make a lot of sense

Yup, Etebo and Ndidi have always had a solid partnership, the midfield duo were crucial to our Semi final journey in the last AFCON, that's why we need to revert back to 4-3-3 and not that outdated 4-2-4 crap Eguavoen fielded in this AFCON.

We actually played a 4-4-2... effectively providing width with one wide midfielder (Simon) with the other wide midfielder (Chukwueze) tucking in.

But you can believe that it is 424 without actually paying attention.

If you get a chance re-watch the matches... assuming you care enough to want to know.