Did Minister DARE sell a DUMMY? (DISCUSS)

[Enugu II]

DISCUSS

Did Minister Sunday Dare sell a dummy to the Nigerian media? I ask this because I do not believe that the Minister was unaware that Coach Gernot Rohr was on the way OUT. After all, he had wanted Rohr out a long way back [https://punchng.com/dont-wait-for-rohr- ... tells-nff/] with an English coach quoted as his favorite. Moreover, it has long been publicized about Minister Dare's displeasure with Rohr. So why did the media release the story that it was Minister Dare who convinced the NFF to stay put with Rohr arguing that the time was too short to make a change

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/12/roh ... ubmission/
My belief is that the Minister was all along supportive of removing Rohr and that the dummy was sold to the Nigerian media in order to begin to influence the public in case Rohr's representatives decided to hold out in reaching a final agreement or if ASITEO money was not forthcoming. Thus, it may have been a trial balloon to test out the public and to begin to calm the waters. That is just my conjecture based on these matters. What are yours?

I am convinced about this because I wondered how on earth the Nigerian media would buy the argument that changing a coach in the middle of competition has never panned out? After all, was Bonfrere not removed in the middle of competition and Amodu ran riot to force Nigeria's way into the WC? So how could the media have forgotten that? Or were they (media) afraid to challenge the reported view of the Minister?

[megapro]

When Bonfere and CCC were removed
Qualification ware no more in our hands

[Enugu II]

When Bonfere and CCC were removed
Qualification ware no more in our hands

Megapro,

That is not accurate, atleast not in the Bonfrere case. You could argue that Bonfrere was removed late but Nigeria still hoped for qualification although the opportunity was slim. Nevertheless, Amodu pulled Nigeria through by the slimmest of margin with very little room for error.

In this case (Rohr's), you have to admit that the team was clearly SINKING. Do you wait until it has drowned? I think not. You have to make a move and hope the move gingers the players psychologically to wake up from their deep funk. That is the hope. Clearly, we had far more talent that the teams in our last qualifying round but we still struggled. Imagine having our team, in a deep funk with a lethargic coach, confronting a more powerful opponent in the third and final round. The team needed some shot up the sleeves to WAKE IT UP.

[megapro]

When Bonfere and CCC were removed
Qualification ware no more in our hands

Megapro,

That is not accurate, atleast not in the Bonfrere case. You could argue that Bonfrere was removed late but Nigeria still hoped for qualification although the opportunity was slim. Nevertheless, Amodu pulled Nigeria through by the slimmest of margin with very little room for error.

In this case (Rohr's), you have to admit that the team was clearly SINKING. Do you wait until it has drowned? I think not. You have to make a move and hope the move gingers the players psychologically to wake up from their deep funk. That is the hope. Clearly, we had far more talent that the teams in our last qualifying round but we still struggled. Imagine having our team, in a deep funk with a lethargic coach, confronting a more powerful opponent in the third and final round. The team needed some shot up the sleeves to WAKE IT UP.

Just saw this

E2
Compliments of the season
This reply is not about Rohr but being in ones hand

Of course it is very accurate that when Bonfere and CCC were sacked it was no more in our hands
With Amodu 2009 it was also no more in our hands after the Tunisia 2:2 game but we eventually did

It is no more in your hands when you see that even if you win ALL your remaining games 10:0 including direct confrontation against your main opponents ahead of you, you MIGHT not qualify because you have no control over their other games. You need external help.

In 2001 after Match day 5
Liberia had 12 points
Sudan had 9 points
Nigeria had 7 points

With Sudan it was in our hands because we play them later and can overtake but with Liberia it was no more because we play them but cannot cover the 5pts difference from that confrontation, and they CAN win their remaining games

With CCC
Eguavoen won 5:2 and 5:1 but Angola won also
We went out

With Bonfere
Amodu won the remaining three games but Liberia LOST to Ghana at home
That got us back in the running
If they had won we would have been praying for Sierra Leone to prevent them from winning their last game

With Amodu 2009 after the Tunisia game we needed to win our remaining matches and hope Tunisia slip
They did slip in Mozambique

[Enugu II]

When Bonfere and CCC were removed
Qualification ware no more in our hands

Megapro,

That is not accurate, atleast not in the Bonfrere case. You could argue that Bonfrere was removed late but Nigeria still hoped for qualification although the opportunity was slim. Nevertheless, Amodu pulled Nigeria through by the slimmest of margin with very little room for error.

In this case (Rohr's), you have to admit that the team was clearly SINKING. Do you wait until it has drowned? I think not. You have to make a move and hope the move gingers the players psychologically to wake up from their deep funk. That is the hope. Clearly, we had far more talent that the teams in our last qualifying round but we still struggled. Imagine having our team, in a deep funk with a lethargic coach, confronting a more powerful opponent in the third and final round. The team needed some shot up the sleeves to WAKE IT UP.

Just saw this

E2
Compliments of the season
This reply is not about Rohr but being in ones hand

Of course it is very accurate that when Bonfere and CCC were sacked it was no more in our hands
With Amodu 2009 it was also no more in our hands after the Tunisia 2:2 game but we eventually did

It is no more in your hands when you see that even if you win ALL your remaining games 10:0 including direct confrontation against your main opponents ahead of you, you MIGHT not qualify because you have no control over their other games. You need external help.

In 2001 after Match day 5
Liberia had 12 points
Sudan had 9 points
Nigeria had 7 points

With Sudan it was in our hands because we play them later and can overtake but with Liberia it was no more because we play them but cannot cover the 5pts difference from that confrontation, and they CAN win their remaining games

With CCC
Eguavoen won 5:2 and 5:1 but Angola won also
We went out

With Bonfere
Amodu won the remaining three games but Liberia LOST to Ghana at home
That got us back in the running
If they had won we would have been praying for Sierra Leone to prevent them from winning their last game

With Amodu 2009 after the Tunisia game we needed to win our remaining matches and hope Tunisia slip
They did slip in Mozambique

Qualification was still in our hands because if we won out and the other team slips we are in. That us what it means. When you start a competition for instance qualification is in your hands because you hope to win with the other reams slipping somewhere. Not so. When qualification is no longer possible, there is absolutely no hope. With that magnificent run by Amodu, we needed to win out. It seemed impossible but it had to be done and Liberia slipped. The key is that we won through even away from home. That is the key. No team we very wins without an opponent slipping. Ut never happens.

[txj]

A WCQ is not a tournament.

The analogy is totally misplaced and the kind that gives ammunition to bad managers making bad decisions.

There are weeks between games in a WCQ campaign. We're talking here about 2wks to the start of a tournament.

[megapro]

When Bonfere and CCC were removed
Qualification ware no more in our hands

Megapro,

That is not accurate, atleast not in the Bonfrere case. You could argue that Bonfrere was removed late but Nigeria still hoped for qualification although the opportunity was slim. Nevertheless, Amodu pulled Nigeria through by the slimmest of margin with very little room for error.

In this case (Rohr's), you have to admit that the team was clearly SINKING. Do you wait until it has drowned? I think not. You have to make a move and hope the move gingers the players psychologically to wake up from their deep funk. That is the hope. Clearly, we had far more talent that the teams in our last qualifying round but we still struggled. Imagine having our team, in a deep funk with a lethargic coach, confronting a more powerful opponent in the third and final round. The team needed some shot up the sleeves to WAKE IT UP.

Just saw this

E2
Compliments of the season
This reply is not about Rohr but being in ones hand

Of course it is very accurate that when Bonfere and CCC were sacked it was no more in our hands
With Amodu 2009 it was also no more in our hands after the Tunisia 2:2 game but we eventually did

It is no more in your hands when you see that even if you win ALL your remaining games 10:0 including direct confrontation against your main opponents ahead of you, you MIGHT not qualify because you have no control over their other games. You need external help.

In 2001 after Match day 5
Liberia had 12 points
Sudan had 9 points
Nigeria had 7 points

With Sudan it was in our hands because we play them later and can overtake but with Liberia it was no more because we play them but cannot cover the 5pts difference from that confrontation, and they CAN win their remaining games

With CCC
Eguavoen won 5:2 and 5:1 but Angola won also
We went out

With Bonfere
Amodu won the remaining three games but Liberia LOST to Ghana at home
That got us back in the running
If they had won we would have been praying for Sierra Leone to prevent them from winning their last game

With Amodu 2009 after the Tunisia game we needed to win our remaining matches and hope Tunisia slip
They did slip in Mozambique

Qualification was still in our hands because if we won out and the other team slips we are in. That us what it means. When you start a competition for instance qualification is in your hands because you hope to win with the other reams slipping somewhere. Not so. When qualification is no longer possible, there is absolutely no hope. With that magnificent run by Amodu, we needed to win out. It seemed impossible but it had to be done and Liberia slipped. The key is that we won through even away from home. That is the key. No team we very wins without an opponent slipping. Ut never happens.

E2

When you HOPE for a slip
You can still qualify

But it is no more in your hands

[megapro]

When you toP a group two matches to go
You may not qualify
But it is still in your hands

[Enugu II]

When you toP a group two matches to go
You may not qualify
But it is still in your hands

Mega every teams starts at 0 and to win, others have to fail to garner points. This happens from day one. Thus, dropping points is a given.

To put it another way, you cannot win a group with other teams failing to drop a point or more. It is not mathematically possible. Tell me how? Thus, dropping points is always a reality, bros. Amodu won out because he was fortunate to win out while others were the ones that failed. If he came in when all hope was lost then no matter what he did it would never have mattered. He had a slim opportunity and he earned it. That should never be minimized.

[megapro]

When you toP a group two matches to go
You may not qualify
But it is still in your hands

Mega every teams starts at 0 and to win, others have to fail to garner points. This happens from day one. Thus, dropping points is a given.

To put it another way, you cannot win a group with other teams failing to drop a point or more. It is not mathematically possible. Tell me how? Thus, dropping points is always a reality, bros. Amodu won out because he was fortunate to win out while others were the ones that failed. If he came in when all hope was lost then no matter what he did it would never have mattered. He had a slim opportunity and he earned it. That should never be minimized.

It was not in Amidu's hand
He did his part
Won all his matches
Someone slipped
He qualified

It was not in Eguavoen's hand
He did his part
Won all his matches
Angola did not slip
We failed to qualify

If it is not in your hand you pray
If it is in your hand you do your part


At the beginning of a 3 team group or 20 team league
It is in your hand, your power
Win ALL your games you can NEVER fail to win the league