Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
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Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Augustine Eguavoen
Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria (Senior team)
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
P12 W9 D1 L2
* = PK win
Country Hounours
2006 ANC Bronze
Club Honours
2009 (Ngr) FA cup: Enyimba
(Age grade games with Nigeria (U17)
1. Cameroon 1:0
2. Gambia 1:0
3. Ethiopia 4:0
4. Sierra Leone 0:1
5. Cameroon 3:1
6. Costa Rica 1:1
7. Australia 2:1
8. Argentina 0:2
P8 W5 D1 L2
(Age grade games with Nigeria (U23)
1. Equatorial Guinea 5:0
2. Equatorial Guinea 4:1
3. Liberia 1:1
4. Liberia 6:1
5. Tanzania 0:1
6. Tanzania 3:0
7. Ghana 3:1
8. Ghana 0:2
9. Morocco 0:1
10. Senegal 1:2
11. Algeria 4:1
P11 W6 D1 L4
Total: P31 W20 D3 L8
Status: Appointed 12/12/2021
Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria (Senior team)
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
P12 W9 D1 L2
* = PK win
Country Hounours
2006 ANC Bronze
Club Honours
2009 (Ngr) FA cup: Enyimba
(Age grade games with Nigeria (U17)
1. Cameroon 1:0
2. Gambia 1:0
3. Ethiopia 4:0
4. Sierra Leone 0:1
5. Cameroon 3:1
6. Costa Rica 1:1
7. Australia 2:1
8. Argentina 0:2
P8 W5 D1 L2
(Age grade games with Nigeria (U23)
1. Equatorial Guinea 5:0
2. Equatorial Guinea 4:1
3. Liberia 1:1
4. Liberia 6:1
5. Tanzania 0:1
6. Tanzania 3:0
7. Ghana 3:1
8. Ghana 0:2
9. Morocco 0:1
10. Senegal 1:2
11. Algeria 4:1
P11 W6 D1 L4
Total: P31 W20 D3 L8
Status: Appointed 12/12/2021
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
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Amuneke's turn will come so experienced Eguavoen was a logical choice
Taking it would have been a banana peel
In Salisu (CHAN silver) and Aigbogum (AAG Silver) we have choices
Right from his first two (Friendliee) Libya 1:0 (JMO's debut) and Benin 6:0 he attacked
We expect eguavoen to get something out of this team
Will it be enough?
Amuneke's turn will come so experienced Eguavoen was a logical choice
Taking it would have been a banana peel
In Salisu (CHAN silver) and Aigbogum (AAG Silver) we have choices
Right from his first two (Friendliee) Libya 1:0 (JMO's debut) and Benin 6:0 he attacked
We expect eguavoen to get something out of this team
Will it be enough?
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
News coming out is showing that Eguavon may actually not lead the SE to Cameroon.
I am just and Ordinary guy being used by an extraordinary God.
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
It is not news
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Eguavoen's record in competitive matches for Nigeria
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
13. Egypt 1:0
14. Sudan
15. Guinea Bissau
P13 W10 D1 L2
* = PK win
He has left the pitch victorious 11 out of 13 matches
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1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
13. Egypt 1:0
14. Sudan
15. Guinea Bissau
P13 W10 D1 L2
* = PK win
He has left the pitch victorious 11 out of 13 matches
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megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
I came to CE this morning and read that since Eguavoen broke the 15 match threshold/benchmark and retained his 75% win record in competitive matches I refused to update the stats
Here they are
Eguavoen's record in competitive matches for Nigeria
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
13. Egypt 1:0
14. Sudan 3:1
15. Guinea Bissau 2:0
P16 W12 D1 L3
* = PK win
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Shouldn’t that be 13 wins? You left out recent AFCON game against Tunisia.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:14 am
I came to CE this morning and read that since Eguavoen broke the 15 match threshold/benchmark and retained his 75% win record in competitive matches I refused to update the stats
Here they are
Eguavoen's record in competitive matches for Nigeria
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
13. Egypt 1:0
14. Sudan 3:1
15. Guinea Bissau 2:0
16. Tunisia 0:1
P16 W12 D1 L3
* = PK win
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
ThanksLolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:17 amShouldn’t that be 13 wins? You left out recent AFCON game against Tunisia.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:14 am
I came to CE this morning and read that since Eguavoen broke the 15 match threshold/benchmark and retained his 75% win record in competitive matches I refused to update the stats
Here they are
Eguavoen's record in competitive matches for Nigeria
1. Algeria 5:2
2. Zimbabwe 5:1
3. Ghana 1:0
4. Zimbabwe 2:1
5. Senegal 2:1
6. Tunisia 1:1 * (6:5)
7. CIV 0:1
8. Senegal 1:0
9. Niger 2:0
10. Lesotho 1:0
11. Madagascar 2:0
12. Guinea 0:1
13. Egypt 1:0
14. Sudan 3:1
15. Guinea Bissau 2:0
16. Tunisia 0:1
P16 W12 D1 L3
* = PK win
it escaped
still 12 wins from 16
the PK win from 2006 is a statistical draw
Last edited by megapro on Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
megapro 2012:
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Keshi should be left alone to continue his program, and seriously has a chance of casting his name in gold
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
And people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Eguavoen's winning record is massively good.
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Did or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Prof, does that make Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea's greatest ever manager?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Everything has to be taken in context.
Keshi being Nigeria's "greatest ever manager" because of a gold AFCON medal (and a 50% win ratio) by simple logic also means that Eguavon is one of the worst ever with a R16 exit (and despite a 75% win ratio.)
That is the irrational argument that goes in this place and which some of us are forever challenging when they say Rohr is "one of the worst" SE managers with his 'golden bronze'.
It is an argument allowed free reign and challenged only by those said to be WOWOs.
But I am sure you will agree that everything has to be seen and interpreted in the right context. But the norm here is to pick and choose when to do so.
"Ole kuku ni gbogbo wọn "
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
DamunkDamunk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:56 pmProf, does that make Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea's greatest ever manager?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Everything has to be taken in context.
Keshi being Nigeria's "greatest ever manager" because of a gold AFCON medal (and a 50% win ratio) by simple logic also means that Eguavon is one of the worst ever with a R16 exit (and despite a 75% win ratio.)
That is the irrational argument that goes in this place and which some of us are forever challenging when they say Rohr is "one of the worst" SE managers with his 'golden bronze'.
It is an argument allowed free reign and challenged only by those said to be WOWOs.
But I am sure you will agree that everything has to be seen and interpreted in the right context. But the norm here is to pick and choose when to do so.
Possibly Egu could be except that I doubt it. Why? He has finished third at AFCON and I remember we had numerous coaches including Berti Vogts, Eto Amaechina, etc that did worse.
Would Egu be ranked among Nugeria's best? I don't see how. He never won an AFCON and so should not be in that category.
What is your rationality, may I ask? Do you rank Egu and Rohr among Nigeria's best managers? I am interested in knowing and the logic behind it.
The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
I would rank him quite highly right now but 15 games is a little too early to reach a final conclusion.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:18 pmDamunkDamunk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:56 pmProf, does that make Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea's greatest ever manager?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Everything has to be taken in context.
Keshi being Nigeria's "greatest ever manager" because of a gold AFCON medal (and a 50% win ratio) by simple logic also means that Eguavon is one of the worst ever with a R16 exit (and despite a 75% win ratio.)
That is the irrational argument that goes in this place and which some of us are forever challenging when they say Rohr is "one of the worst" SE managers with his 'golden bronze'.
It is an argument allowed free reign and challenged only by those said to be WOWOs.
But I am sure you will agree that everything has to be seen and interpreted in the right context. But the norm here is to pick and choose when to do so.
Possibly Egu could be except that I doubt it. Why? He has finished third at AFCON and I remember we had numerous coaches including Berti Vogts, Eto Amaechina, etc that did worse.
Would Egu be ranked among Nugeria's best? I don't see how. He never won an AFCON and so should not be in that category.
What is your rationality, may I ask? Do you rank Egu and Rohr among Nigeria's best managers? I am interested in knowing and the logic behind it.
This is why from the get-go my benchmark was 30 games which I felt was fair. There are only 4 such SE coaches with traceable records and those were the four I analysed: Rohr, Westerhoff, Amodu and Keshi.
Like you have seen from megapro's records, Keshi and Amodu were unbeaten after 16 games, YET Keshi ended up with only a 50% win ratio.
Does that now mean that had he not won the AFCON (even if losing in the final on penalties for instance) he would now be ranked as one of the worst?
The argument is just too simplistic, even illogical.
Egu is doing well, but he needs to build on that.
Megapro did not "hide' the Egu stats as dubiously claimed by The Usual Suspects. The stats were provided last year as can be seen from this thread.
I have repeatedly said that the debate is not an honest one and never has been - and the dishonesty and disrespect (not to mention the insults, overt and covert) is coming predominantly from those that argued to get rid of Rohr by any means necessary.
"Ole kuku ni gbogbo wọn "
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
You are trying your best to discredit Eguavoen's coaching prowess and poo-poo his record. Any neutral observer can see what you are up to. Just respect the man and be done with it!!megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
A Person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
How on earth is he doing that?Abbey wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:50 pmYou are trying your best to discredit Eguavoen's coaching prowess and poo-poo his record. Any neutral observer can see what you are up to. Just respect the man and be done with it!!megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
What are you seeing that we are not seeing?
I see Eguavon at the top of all the charts but somehow, it is an attempt to rubbish him?
I am truly baffled.
"Ole kuku ni gbogbo wọn "
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
You don start to dey twist words? I said people claim he was the best ever, not just celebrated.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Meanwhile, he is not the only coach to have won a trophy. What makes him better that the others? What makes him the best ever?
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
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Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Personally, I do not think he is the best ever manager without checking additional stats but Keshi is certainly among the best. No one, bar Westerhoff, should be considered above Keshi.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:11 pmYou don start to dey twist words? I said people claim he was the best ever, not just celebrated.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Meanwhile, he is not the only coach to have won a trophy. What makes him better that the others? What makes him the best ever?
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Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
But you are wrong with the highlighted. What’s the criteria used to exclude all the others that have a better record than him? Amodu for example never had the chance to coach during any AFCON but he has a much better winning record that Keshi. You can’t say Keshi is a better coach than him. The stats say otherwise.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:29 pmPersonally, I do not think he is the best ever manager without checking additional stats but Keshi is certainly among the best. No one, bar Westerhoff, should be considered above Keshi.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:11 pmYou don start to dey twist words? I said people claim he was the best ever, not just celebrated.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Meanwhile, he is not the only coach to have won a trophy. What makes him better that the others? What makes him the best ever?
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
LollyLolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:50 pmBut you are wrong with the highlighted. What’s the criteria used to exclude all the others that have a better record than him? Amodu for example never had the chance to coach during any AFCON but he has a much better winning record that Keshi. You can’t say Keshi is a better coach than him. The stats say otherwise.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:29 pmPersonally, I do not think he is the best ever manager without checking additional stats but Keshi is certainly among the best. No one, bar Westerhoff, should be considered above Keshi.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:11 pmYou don start to dey twist words? I said people claim he was the best ever, not just celebrated.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Meanwhile, he is not the only coach to have won a trophy. What makes him better that the others? What makes him the best ever?
It is obvious that you are unacquainted with Amodu's record. He never coached at an AFCON? Really?
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Re: Eguavoen's record in competitive games with Nigeria
Abeg. megapro manufactured a 15 game threshold when Egu was under 15 games, and after the man hit 15 games, he didn't update the stats till I hounded himDamunk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:35 pmI would rank him quite highly right now but 15 games is a little too early to reach a final conclusion.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:18 pmDamunkDamunk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:56 pmProf, does that make Roberto Di Matteo Chelsea's greatest ever manager?Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:12 pmDid or has Egu won a trophy? Bros, Keshi won AFCON and that is why he is celebrated. The likes of Egu, Rohr, etc can win as many games as they like it will mean diddly without a trophy.Lolly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:11 amAnd people claim Keshi was our best coach ever? Hmmm.megapro wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:49 am To be clear
the stats are just stats
When Rohr was listed as having the best winning record
it did not make him Nigerias best coach ever
The Three Nigeria NT coaches that won AFCON are all under 60%
We can look for several other things from the stats
Style? Philosophy? Opponents?
Eguavoen has the best record in Africa after 16 games AT 75%. That is remarkable
Even two unlikely losses against leaves him top at 67
After 16 games Amodu was unbeaten
After 16 games Keshi was unbeaten
Eguavoen's 3 losses in 16 cost us two AFCON and led to a third absence
Just one draw
that should show a direct approach while Amodu and Keshi are more pragmatic
Eguavoen 75
Rohr 66
Amodu 65
Westerhof 57
Chukwu 56
Keshi 50
Gloria 42
Tiko 33
Onigbinde 22
Eguavoen’s record is impressive, though I still don’t rate him. But he can win me over if he beats Ghana and qualifiers for the World Cup.
Everything has to be taken in context.
Keshi being Nigeria's "greatest ever manager" because of a gold AFCON medal (and a 50% win ratio) by simple logic also means that Eguavon is one of the worst ever with a R16 exit (and despite a 75% win ratio.)
That is the irrational argument that goes in this place and which some of us are forever challenging when they say Rohr is "one of the worst" SE managers with his 'golden bronze'.
It is an argument allowed free reign and challenged only by those said to be WOWOs.
But I am sure you will agree that everything has to be seen and interpreted in the right context. But the norm here is to pick and choose when to do so.
Possibly Egu could be except that I doubt it. Why? He has finished third at AFCON and I remember we had numerous coaches including Berti Vogts, Eto Amaechina, etc that did worse.
Would Egu be ranked among Nugeria's best? I don't see how. He never won an AFCON and so should not be in that category.
What is your rationality, may I ask? Do you rank Egu and Rohr among Nigeria's best managers? I am interested in knowing and the logic behind it.
This is why from the get-go my benchmark was 30 games which I felt was fair. There are only 4 such SE coaches with traceable records and those were the four I analysed: Rohr, Westerhoff, Amodu and Keshi.
Like you have seen from megapro's records, Keshi and Amodu were unbeaten after 16 games, YET Keshi ended up with only a 50% win ratio.
Does that now mean that had he not won the AFCON (even if losing in the final on penalties for instance) he would now be ranked as one of the worst?
The argument is just too simplistic, even illogical.
Egu is doing well, but he needs to build on that.
Megapro did not "hide' the Egu stats as dubiously claimed by The Usual Suspects. The stats were provided last year as can be seen from this thread.
I have repeatedly said that the debate is not an honest one and never has been - and the dishonesty and disrespect (not to mention the insults, overt and covert) is coming predominantly from those that argued to get rid of Rohr by any means necessary.
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