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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
Baba Lolly, I only reported what Simon said.
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wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
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Read what Simon stated. It is about responsibility and freedom granted by a manager. This by the way is not just Simon but the team. Under Rohr, the focus was mostly on safety first. That was not the case against Egypt. Rohr could possibly argue that if we played against a superior team and played as we did that we would have been blown away. However, he will never argue that his team played as we did against Egypt. There is a difference if you had watched closely.
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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
So you don't acknowledge that the coach had been playing him in a different position for the 2 years? He didn't just wake up from a slump, like he said he was following the coaches instructions and doing what the coach wanted in a position he's not used to playing and left Spain b/c his club kept playing him there. But with that said, he was obviously doing what the coach wanted correctly else the coach would have benched/removed him in that 2 year stretch...its just annoying that you keep trying to blame players without looking at whether the coaches tactics/formation put them in a position to give their best...even when the player just CLEARLY spelled it out, that he was put in a position to give what he does for his club and that's why he was able to play so well...
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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
You can check what this coach did in his previous spell. How many wins in 12 matches or so.

Not sure how you turned this to 'yabbing' the coach. The player gave an honest answer to a question. Wait till after the AFCON and you will hear many stories about players having to 'drop' to play under Rohr :taunt:
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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
Of course he was a big miss. Who doubted that?
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I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time. Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
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Ugbowo wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 pm I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time. Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
I agree with you. It is only ONE game. Knowing the NFF, they can easily start war in the camp that can lead to a first round exit! That's how easy it is for us to press the self destruct button.

That said, that ONE match shows what SE can become if coaches like Rohr are kept FAR away from the team. Coaches that does not ooze any confidence.
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Enugu II wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
Lolly

Read what Simon stated. It is about responsibility and freedom granted by a manager. This by the way is not just Simon but the team. Under Rohr, the focus was mostly on safety first. That was not the case against Egypt. Rohr could possibly argue that if we played against a superior team and played as we did that we would have been blown away. However, he will never argue that his team played as we did against Egypt. There is a difference if you had watched closely.
Under Rohr, we never played as we did against Egypt? :lol: Bros, you know that’s not true. Why am I the only reminding everybody. We played much better when we beat Cameroon and Algeria in Nigeria. We scored 7 goals against the top rated teams in Africa at the time, playing free-flowing attacking football. I will say Rohr used Victor Moses then, the way Egu used Simon Moses against Egypt.

Let’s not put Rohr down just to praise Egu. Rohr’s teams at the early days played very good football. But unfortunately it went downhill from the WC.
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aruako1 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:29 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:47 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm
fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:29 pm Moses Simon: One of my best games for the past two years.

We change coach and change tactics.

Every coach has his own mentality and tactics. I played based on Rohr instruction.

Eguavoen, gives me the freedom, to bring what I have in my club. It helps me alot and my team mates.

Eguavoen: I have given players freedom to express themselves. Players deserve credit for carrying out instructions.
Lest we forget (I know you are mostly guilty of it), the former coach used the same Simon to defeat Cameroon 4-0 and Algeria 3-1.
And what has happened since then?
Then maybe we should wait a few more years of the new coach and then do a comparison.

When some were saying Simon Moses was going to be a big miss for us in the World Cup, you guys didn't know his value then. Now he plays one game as he used to play before his pre-World Cup injury, and you are using him to yab the coach that consistently played him.
Of course he was a big miss. Who doubted that?
When I say players can make a big difference to a coach’s ratings, some people will say not so.

Have you asked yourself why Rohr’s teams at the early days of his tenure played good entertaining attacking football and then sadly started playing boring football at the tail end of his tenure? What do you think was the reason?
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Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:52 pm
When I say players can make a big difference to a coach’s ratings, some people will say not so.

Have you asked yourself why Rohr’s teams at the early days of his tenure played good entertaining attacking football and then sadly started playing boring football at the tail end of his tenure? What do you think was the reason?
Please let's know the reason.
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Ugbowo wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 pm I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time.
Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
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Against Egypt we should have won the game handily in the first half, but threw
away several chances. Now, everything was overlooked because we won. I hope
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wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:02 pm
Ugbowo wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 pm I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time. Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
I agree with you. It is only ONE game. Knowing the NFF, they can easily start war in the camp that can lead to a first round exit! That's how easy it is for us to press the self destruct button.

That said, that ONE match shows what SE can become if coaches like Rohr are kept FAR away from the team. Coaches that does not ooze any confidence.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Where do you guys get these dodgy Nollywood scripts from?
"Start a war in the camp"
Like how?
To what end? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Damunk wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:31 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:02 pm
Ugbowo wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 pm I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time. Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
I agree with you. It is only ONE game. Knowing the NFF, they can easily start war in the camp that can lead to a first round exit! That's how easy it is for us to press the self destruct button.

That said, that ONE match shows what SE can become if coaches like Rohr are kept FAR away from the team. Coaches that does not ooze any confidence.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Where do you guys get these dodgy Nollywood scripts from?
"Start a war in the camp"
Like how?
To what end? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Because they have been known to do it in the past.

They plan for reaching the finals... seek funds for reaching the finals.

Despite the budget being heavily padded, they will prefer that they don't reach the finals so that they can share money.

There's a history... past behavior is indicative of future behavior when it comes to this NFF leadership.

AFCON 2013
Confederation Cup 2014
World Cup 2014
Even the Olympics that was supposed to be funded by NOC, they found a way to instill themselves into the middle of it.
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Cellular wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:40 pm
Damunk wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:31 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:02 pm
Ugbowo wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:48 pm I'm just glossing over all the reactions after one game.

I'm not the type to make proclamations based on one game. We should take it one game at a time. Too much is being made off Tuesday's performance.

Long long road ahead.
I agree with you. It is only ONE game. Knowing the NFF, they can easily start war in the camp that can lead to a first round exit! That's how easy it is for us to press the self destruct button.

That said, that ONE match shows what SE can become if coaches like Rohr are kept FAR away from the team. Coaches that does not ooze any confidence.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Where do you guys get these dodgy Nollywood scripts from?
"Start a war in the camp"
Like how?
To what end? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Because they have been known to do it in the past.

They plan for reaching the finals... seek funds for reaching the finals.

Despite the budget being heavily padded, they will prefer that they don't reach the finals so that they can share money.

There's a history... past behavior is indicative of future behavior when it comes to this NFF leadership.

AFCON 2013
Confederation Cup 2014
World Cup 2014
Even the Olympics that was supposed to be funded by NOC, they found a way to instill themselves into the middle of it.
So we are talking about NFF misdemeanours before this administration took office.
I see.
'Guilty by inheritance'.
Very interesting. :idea:
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iworo wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:53 pm
I saw this on YouTube but I had doubts that it was recent.
There are some people posting old videos on YouTube.
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fabio wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:03 pm
Lolly wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:52 pm
When I say players can make a big difference to a coach’s ratings, some people will say not so.

Have you asked yourself why Rohr’s teams at the early days of his tenure played good entertaining attacking football and then sadly started playing boring football at the tail end of his tenure? What do you think was the reason?
Please let's know the reason.
One or two players can be the difference between being a good team and an average team. Just one or two.
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I don dey shake o

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maceo4 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:37 pm I don dey shake o

Every fool is st Afcon with a camera. That player was showed class answering those stupid questions.
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The line- up for today’s game should be out now!!!!
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 am
maceo4 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:37 pm I don dey shake o

Every fool is st Afcon with a camera. That player was showed class answering those stupid questions.
...the player should've given him back a foolish answer, "yes, we are shaking like hell" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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^^^
This video made me laugh! The fact that Sudanese player was so reluctant to name is club and just said "I play in Hungary" probably means he plays in the lower tier :rotf: :rotf:
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