We were taught a footballing lesson
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While I agree that Iwobi should have been brought in earlier, please note that Iwobi did not play 7 minutes as you claim. He was there for 3 or less and virtually his first contact sent him to the showers. So what impact was that? Moreover, after he left it was virtually lef t to God and not tactics. 10 against 11? Iet me know a manager anywhere sure of rescuing a game in those subsequent circumstance.Otitokoro wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:45 am How can you say that, Prof.?
What impact did Iwobi have in the 7 or so minutes he was on the field?
Tactically, Iwobi should have been brought on at half time for an ineffective Chukwueze, who was struggling.
He knew the Tunisians had checkmated his 1st half strategy and did nothing about it till we went a goal down.
Poor game management.Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:35 amI wondered about such incongruency. The fact is that the team played well and went down surprisingly from a rather harmless situation. Yet, the coach made a GOOD TACTICAL decision bringing in Iwobi. Unfortunately, Iwobi had not settled down before he was sent off. At that point, the game was as good as lost, TACTICS not withstanding. That the team battled, had two pk claims ignored (replays confirmed handling deep in the box) and then Sadiq's presence s not indicate that this loss was down to the Manager solely.
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We played 10 vs 11 for just under 1/2 of the match and still had chances to equalize. We were not outplayed.
I am shocked at the lashing the team and coach are getting. We played well. Yes, some of our reliables were not effective - Aribo, Iheanacho, Moses & Chukwueze but those who came on worked to turn things around.
This is a great lesson for the team. Osimhen will be back. Same for Etebo. We need the Lookmans and Oliseh/Eze for creativity. All we need to do is maintain stability with Coach Eguavoen in charge and focus on the matches against Ghana.
Our chances of making it to Qatar is great. I say GO SE and no to journeymen coaches!
I am shocked at the lashing the team and coach are getting. We played well. Yes, some of our reliables were not effective - Aribo, Iheanacho, Moses & Chukwueze but those who came on worked to turn things around.
This is a great lesson for the team. Osimhen will be back. Same for Etebo. We need the Lookmans and Oliseh/Eze for creativity. All we need to do is maintain stability with Coach Eguavoen in charge and focus on the matches against Ghana.
Our chances of making it to Qatar is great. I say GO SE and no to journeymen coaches!
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I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
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Etebo? Herein lies our problem. We really don't know our troops very well. When last did Etebo have a good game, club or country?tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:39 pm We played 10 vs 11 for just under 1/2 of the match and still had chances to equalize. We were not outplayed.
I am shocked at the lashing the team and coach are getting. We played well. Yes, some of our reliables were not effective - Aribo, Iheanacho, Moses & Chukwueze but those who came on worked to turn things around.
This is a great lesson for the team. Osimhen will be back. Same for Etebo. We need the Lookmans and Oliseh/Eze for creativity. All we need to do is maintain stability with Coach Eguavoen in charge and focus on the matches against Ghana.
Our chances of making it to Qatar is great. I say GO SE and no to journeymen coaches!
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The coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
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"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
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But he had to. Its standard in competitions like this. You need to give those that'll come off the bench some minutes to get in tune with the pace and conditions of the competition. He did nothing wrong there.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:48 pmThe coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Was I disapppointed - yes. I was looking to a Cameroon Nigeria final to avenge 2000 loss in Lagos. We have something good going on. I lost interest in the SE under Rohr and this team and their play/style renewed my passion.
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I dont agree that was the wrong decision. If anything Egu messed up by not taking the lessons he learned from the GB match into the Tunisia game.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:48 pmThe coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Chuks should not have started.
Sadiq should have started.
Nwakali should have shored up a 3 man midfield.
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If it was standard, why didn't Cameroon do the same? Same thing we did in 1998 that proved to be a mistake.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:56 pmBut he had to. Its standard in competitions like this. You need to give those that'll come off the bench some minutes to get in tune with the pace and conditions of the competition. He did nothing wrong there.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:48 pmThe coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Was I disapppointed - yes. I was looking to a Cameroon Nigeria final to avenge 2000 loss in Lagos. We have something good going on. I lost interest in the SE under Rohr and this team and their play/style renewed my passion.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
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It is common sense…. No need getting a has been…. Why can’t they see it..I believe that we have a great first 11 but the NFF is holding us backOdas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:32 pmbut will the people in charge see your point? At moment, our beating Ghana for a world cup spot - in Qatar - is beginning to look impossibleEnyi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:32 amLike I said in another post….I totally agree with you. What is it with these foreign 60yr olds….is that not retirement age?Odas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:14 pmBased on his records I saw, I doubt he is good eitherEnyi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:05 pmEasilyOdas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:01 pmThus the new coach take over from here you mean?Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:34 pmThat’s the downfall of 4-4-2….maceo4 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:28 pm They didn't have to shut Samu down, he wasn't gonna do ish anyways...was a good tactic to shut Simon down, but in the Egypt game they tried the same thing after Simon had been tormenting them and Zaidu then started joining in attack making it harder to just focus on Simon, but today Zaidu barely attacked, it was so weird...
Remember the Egu video….on YouTube….that basically is what any coach will play for his players….
Their plan….wing play….it’s old and outdated….double team the wings play 4-3-3 and let the 3 upfront keep the full backs busy and the 3 in midfield double team with your full backs and attack when the chance comes around…..
Mourinho masterpiece….,
Egu had no play B started throwing players in….Olayinka for Awoniyi is when I knew the game was over and Egu is gone
We should get a vibrant, Progressive coach that can adapt to what’s going on in the pitch and the team we are facing….
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Because they could have finished second in their group if they lost. They just needed a tie with Cape Verde to finish first. If they finished second, they would have had to travel to Limbe, for the quarters, an area they def wanted to avoid.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:07 pmIf it was standard, why didn't Cameroon do the same? Same thing we did in 1998 that proved to be a mistake.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:56 pmBut he had to. Its standard in competitions like this. You need to give those that'll come off the bench some minutes to get in tune with the pace and conditions of the competition. He did nothing wrong there.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:48 pmThe coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Was I disapppointed - yes. I was looking to a Cameroon Nigeria final to avenge 2000 loss in Lagos. We have something good going on. I lost interest in the SE under Rohr and this team and their play/style renewed my passion.
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Completely agree, and more.vancity eagle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:01 pmI dont agree that was the wrong decision. If anything Egu messed up by not taking the lessons he learned from the GB match into the Tunisia game.Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:48 pmThe coach decided to rest 70% of the team against Guinea Bissau for reasons known to him. That was the primary reason for the slow start and sluggishness of our players. You don't' do that is a competition like the AFCON or Wordl Cup. Cameroon who were in a similar position like us fielded their best team. Some of us here said it, notably Cellular and myself. But our coach knows best.tmex12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:43 pm I rewatched the match against Egypt over the weekend and one thing that was missing in our match against Tunisia was intensity. Our pace was just slower and we failed to press with intensity higher up.
Maybe the fact that it was the knock-out stage forced the team to be more cautious - we lost the key factor that threw off the Egyptians. It would have worked with the Tunisians. I still say, 11 vs 11, Nigeria wins!
Chuks should not have started.
Sadiq should have started.
Nwakali should have shored up a 3 man midfield.
1. The team knew they could beat Tunisia over a 90 mins span. 3rd ranked struggling team with no previous offensive production. With Egypt, the unknown with Salah and his potentially moments of brilliance kept them on their toes.
2. The preference for Chukwueze appears to be an attempt to get him going. Eguavoen's wing play philosophy requires both wingers to be on point. I don't know if Chukwueze was mentally prepared for Eguavoen's managerial approach. With 5 subs, he knew he was going to be subbed at one point in any game regardless of performance or opposing team to accommodate other players or for the discovery of the effectiveness of another player. That might have unnerved him.
3. We still don't know how to switch points of attack.
4. We have seen enough of Sadiq to know he should get more playing time. It is unfortunate it took a tournament for him to get his Super Eagles debut.
5. We should credit Eguavoen for the attempt to build tournament depth by using different players. He made the right decision to bench 8 of the starters. Some of the players are coming from clubs where the players appeared weekly at best.
Recovery time is key. He brought back competitiveness, and belief.
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After all is said and done, who is our coach, who? Personally, I think Eguavoen should stay till after the world cup.
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This tournament has been no joke at all. I just saw Comoros (10 men for 90 mins with a make-shift goalkeeper- outfield player playing as goalkeeper) almond beat 11-man Cameroon. Obama had to make some incredible saves for Cameroon to limp to a 2-1 victory. Ego’s face at the end of the march summed it up nicely. Gambia also knocked-out Guinea. This is crazy! I expect Cape Verde to knockout Senegal.
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