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What went wrong...
Edefa's post mortem of the Eagles ANC performance.
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Re: What went wrong...
That edafe, kind of erks me
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Maybe so, but he spoke a lot of sense.
He didn’t and doesn’t generally bash Rohr so it’s obvious why you can’t stand him.
I haven’t been able to rewatch the game (too painful), but I am willing to agree with Edafe on:
1. The loss of focus after winning the group in style i.e. the ‘Denmark Syndrome’ all over again - the Tunisian covid situation, fan euphoria etc
2. The persistent focus on Simon even though it was obvious he was being double-marked and shut down - leaving open other opportunities elsewhere which we failed to explore.
3. Moses still not delivering crosses despite his other qualities.
4. Egu making good changes but the hill being too steep.
5. Nacho and Chukwueze not really impressing.
6. Aina and Zaidu being top performers
7. Okoye not deserving of blame
8. Sadiq growing noticeably in the tournament.
I am willing to concede the following:
1. Awoniyi could have done much better and was “trying too hard” to be an Osimhen
2. Ekong and Omeruo had fairly good tournaments and not being as bad as I have argued
3. Back room staff not being capable, including Yobo who he specifically mentions
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We have a really strange system of playing. Why does Ekong need to do the job of a midfielder and attempt giving through balls to Moses the entire match? Why not give the midfielders more responsibilities instead of by passing them.
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The issue with the loss was too many officials and politicians crashing camp and speaking to the players during half time. Why should a freaking politician show up in the dressing room talking and wasting half time rest or revamp sessions?Damunk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:43 amMaybe so, but he spoke a lot of sense.
He didn’t and doesn’t generally bash Rohr so it’s obvious why you can’t stand him.
I haven’t been able to rewatch the game (too painful), but I am willing to agree with Edafe on:
1. The loss of focus after winning the group in style i.e. the ‘Denmark Syndrome’ all over again - the Tunisian covid situation, fan euphoria etc
2. The persistent focus on Simon even though it was obvious he was being double-marked and shut down - leaving open other opportunities elsewhere which we failed to explore.
3. Moses still not delivering crosses despite his other qualities.
4. Egu making good changes but the hill being too steep.
5. Nacho and Chukwueze not really impressing.
6. Aina and Zaidu being top performers
7. Okoye not deserving of blame
8. Sadiq growing noticeably in the tournament.
I am willing to concede the following:
1. Awoniyi could have done much better and was “trying too hard” to be an Osimhen
2. Ekong and Omeruo had fairly good tournaments and not being as bad as I have argued
3. Back room staff not being capable, including Yobo who he specifically mentions
let us be honest, Egu made great tactical changes after we went down, however the red card affected us , but we still kept on pushing, poor finishing was to blame. As i said we missed Osimhen/Ighalo ... both players would have finished many of the chances we fluffed ( do we expect the coach to kick the ball into the net? ????. Also we had a PK that wasn't given in the first half, also great goal-keeping stopped us from winning . The coaching staff adjusted to the game and the goal scored was a huge fluke. I will not blame the goalie for that
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Re: What went wrong...
What went Wrong is Egu being a dinosaur….
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...what went wrong was we saw it it coming when a disorganized NFA fired a coach days before a major tournament. Let us stop hiding this fact.
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I get u…..
I am betting on Nigeria beating Ghana home and away since they just sacked their coach and hired Houghton….
Ppl keep banging in about this firing time….Egu was the technical director….Salisu and Yobo were the assistant coach…,same players….
Unless you tell me that Egu is taking salary and not technically directing anything….that will make him even a bigger fraud
The stupid neither forgive nor forget- the smart forgive- but never forget" -Thomas Szasz.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
-Martin Luther King- Jr.
“Our Audacity to rise from our losses is what makes Nigerian the number one footballing nation in Africa - Stephen Keshi RIP
Those who don't take decisions never make mistakes."..........
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
-Martin Luther King- Jr.
“Our Audacity to rise from our losses is what makes Nigerian the number one footballing nation in Africa - Stephen Keshi RIP
Those who don't take decisions never make mistakes."..........
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You did not state this when they won all THREE group games
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Tournament ain’t a league bro…..HE LOST….SIMPLE
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“Our Audacity to rise from our losses is what makes Nigerian the number one footballing nation in Africa - Stephen Keshi RIP
Those who don't take decisions never make mistakes."..........
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“Our Audacity to rise from our losses is what makes Nigerian the number one footballing nation in Africa - Stephen Keshi RIP
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That he lost was not in doubt.
But not aware that losing a match turns the coach to a dinosaur
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It is really that simple and the midfielders are not confident playing the ball out not that it wasn't their responsibility cos that's one of the important part of of being a midfielder
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Gochino,
You have a point but there is ample reason for this. If you notice none of our midfielders can confidently, accurately, and consistently put a slitting pass behind the defense. The only one remotely close is Alex Iwobi. People are shouting about Etebo but that is only because Etebo was not at the tournament. Etebo is really about extremely short passes Abeg give me, I go give you back type of passes. That is Etebo. We no longer have Mikel Obi who can provide such passes consistently. Thus, the default is to attempt to do more of this from very deep and Ekong was the master of this at this AFCON.
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thats what happens when you are stuck on 1994 and you play only 2 central midfielders who become overworked and dont know if they should attack or defend.
Our continued tactical mistake of playing only 2 midfielders will continue to be our failure.
failed with Rohr and failed with Egu.
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KPOM x 1000Enyi wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:04 pmI get u…..
I am betting on Nigeria beating Ghana home and away since they just sacked their coach and hired Houghton….
Ppl keep banging in about this firing time….Egu was the technical director….Salisu and Yobo were the assistant coach…,same players….
Unless you tell me that Egu is taking salary and not technically directing anything….that will make him even a bigger fraud
and what of the Kebab coach ?
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I dont know why people keep bringing up that stupid excuse.
We were THE ONLY TEAM to win all 3 games. So was it really "disorganization"
Or the more likely conclusion that Egu is a one trick pony that got found out by even a mediocre team. Of course the red didn't help.
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Re: What went wrong...
Joe Aribo has not played ONE MATCH as an AM. Even from deep he put Osimehn through with a beautiful pass against Liberia.Enugu II wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:09 pmGochino,
You have a point but there is ample reason for this. If you notice none of our midfielders can confidently, accurately, and consistently put a slitting pass behind the defense. The only one remotely close is Alex Iwobi. People are shouting about Etebo but that is only because Etebo was not at the tournament. Etebo is really about extremely short passes Abeg give me, I go give you back type of passes. That is Etebo. We no longer have Mikel Obi who can provide such passes consistently. Thus, the default is to attempt to do more of this from very deep and Ekong was the master of this at this AFCON.
You cannot complain about midfielers being unable to create, WHEN YOU ONLY PLAY 2 OF THEM, and expect them to both attack and defend, while our wingers are busy running into culdesacs.
How many times was Iwobi played as one of two central midfielders ? He would fail as well.
PLAY 3 CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS (NOT NACHO)
IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT.
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Unfortunately, your understanding of the way the team is laid out is quite different. Nigeria hardly, in recent times, used ONLY THREE MIDFIELDERS. That is just not TRUE. The midfield consists of wide areas, please take note of that. Both Moses Simon and Chukwueze are wide midfielders. The midfield is not just the central area and that is simply what you appear to focus on. That, strangely, is old house soccer.vancity eagle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:28 pmJoe Aribo has not played ONE MATCH as an AM. Even from deep he put Osimehn through with a beautiful pass against Liberia.Enugu II wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:09 pmGochino,
You have a point but there is ample reason for this. If you notice none of our midfielders can confidently, accurately, and consistently put a slitting pass behind the defense. The only one remotely close is Alex Iwobi. People are shouting about Etebo but that is only because Etebo was not at the tournament. Etebo is really about extremely short passes Abeg give me, I go give you back type of passes. That is Etebo. We no longer have Mikel Obi who can provide such passes consistently. Thus, the default is to attempt to do more of this from very deep and Ekong was the master of this at this AFCON.
You cannot complain about midfielers being unable to create, WHEN YOU ONLY PLAY 2 OF THEM, and expect them to both attack and defend, while our wingers are busy running into culdesacs.
How many times was Iwobi played as one of two central midfielders ? He would fail as well.
PLAY 3 CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS (NOT NACHO)
IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT.
Bros, even when Egu talked about crosses he was not referring to old style forwards crossing the ball from wide. Instead, he was referring to wide midfielders doing so from wide but even then those wide midfielders still have to work to win the ball back. All you have to do is watch how the SE line ups when they do not have the ball and are attempting to win the ball back from the opponent. It ought to tell you all you need to know.
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I wish more people will make more sense in answering questions. Why must it be always rhetorics, and abusive words and comments? I don't get it.
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The guy was absolutely spot on. We lost due to lack of preparations. That's what happened!
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Hmmm! Thank God I recorded the games. Let me go and rewatch them, because I dont recall seeing Awoniyi trying to be anyone else but himself.
Seriously, why is difficult for some to admit that Awoniyi' tried his best but it wasnt good enough at this stage?
Seriously, why is difficult for some to admit that Awoniyi' tried his best but it wasnt good enough at this stage?
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