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You get these dual nationals to switch.

Then you ditch them for some "hey you"

Of course he will be pissed.
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Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:18 pm Prof., if this is supposed to be you're rationale for Eguavoen dropping him, then I am shocked that you would go down this route. :shock: :shock:

How does any intelligent coach drop a guy consistently playing at the highest and most competitive league ANY of our defenders and has been reassuring whenever he played competitively? You drop him and bring in some no-name, hey-you person who plays in South Africa in his stead? We all are aware of how quickly that hey-you person has been discarded (another failed project).
We also saw how our defense was our Achilles heel at the AFCON, yet you drop an Akpoguma? How incredibly dumb.

Akpoguma has every right to be pissed. He is a competitor who has played by the rules all his life - hard work and consistent performances will earn you recognition. How could not fathom a coach would be so corrupt to yank him off the list (for no tangible reason) for some random, no-name guy, who he is so much better than (by ANY measurable metric). You then further embarrassment the guy, by telling him to join the team to replace an injured player - this is after he had committed to helping his club fight for a champions league spot during the winter break, because of his non-selection for AFCON?

Of course, he would say no to Eguavoen's extremely daft request.

Also, Semi Ajayi was a bench warmer at WestBrom, so it made sense he would jump at the opportunity. If he wasn't, I am pretty sure he would have said no to Eguavoen, just like Emmanuel Dennis did.
Enugu II wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:30 am Emir,

We went through this.

First, Akpoguma was on the list drawn up by Gernot Rohr for the AFCON.

Second, Rohr was removed. The incoming Manager (Egu) supposedly amended the list. That list should be expected to differ somewhat from one drawn up by Rohr. If Akpoguma was replaced by Egu then there is no problem with that. It is Egu's prerogative to make that decision as manager. My only misgiving is if that decision to remove a player (Akpoguma or whoever else) was made by a person that is not Egu.

Third, if Egu then decided to recall Akpoguma because of injuries that occurred to the likes of Shehu. That is the right of Egu as Manager to do so.

If Akpoguma then decides not to honor the replacement callup as that is HIS PROBLEM. It is not as if he is a Nigerian starter. Well, another guy (Semi Ajayi) took the chance and did well and is justifiably in the WCQ squad to play against Ghana (I believe). No biggie.....

The above is my take.
Akpoguma should be number 1 on the list of defenders. Someone will need to explain to Nigerians how the only defender playing regularly in a German first division was not originally considered for call-up only to be considered when the injury occurred. That's an insult. As stated above, there should be laid down standards for inviting players to the national team otherwise a fraudulent coach can come in and begin inviting questionable characters in the guise of "having the right to do so as a coach" What is most painful is that a lot of efforts were put into making him switch his nationality only for him to be treated in this shabby manner. We are too disorganized to achieve any meaningful thing on the world stage.
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Then people will be mad that many don't want a local coach.

Good riddance to this rubbish.
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ahidjo2 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:47 pm
Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:18 pm Prof., if this is supposed to be you're rationale for Eguavoen dropping him, then I am shocked that you would go down this route. :shock: :shock:

How does any intelligent coach drop a guy consistently playing at the highest and most competitive league ANY of our defenders and has been reassuring whenever he played competitively? You drop him and bring in some no-name, hey-you person who plays in South Africa in his stead? We all are aware of how quickly that hey-you person has been discarded (another failed project).
We also saw how our defense was our Achilles heel at the AFCON, yet you drop an Akpoguma? How incredibly dumb.

Akpoguma has every right to be pissed. He is a competitor who has played by the rules all his life - hard work and consistent performances will earn you recognition. How could not fathom a coach would be so corrupt to yank him off the list (for no tangible reason) for some random, no-name guy, who he is so much better than (by ANY measurable metric). You then further embarrassment the guy, by telling him to join the team to replace an injured player - this is after he had committed to helping his club fight for a champions league spot during the winter break, because of his non-selection for AFCON?

Of course, he would say no to Eguavoen's extremely daft request.

Also, Semi Ajayi was a bench warmer at WestBrom, so it made sense he would jump at the opportunity. If he wasn't, I am pretty sure he would have said no to Eguavoen, just like Emmanuel Dennis did.
Enugu II wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:30 am Emir,

We went through this.

First, Akpoguma was on the list drawn up by Gernot Rohr for the AFCON.

Second, Rohr was removed. The incoming Manager (Egu) supposedly amended the list. That list should be expected to differ somewhat from one drawn up by Rohr. If Akpoguma was replaced by Egu then there is no problem with that. It is Egu's prerogative to make that decision as manager. My only misgiving is if that decision to remove a player (Akpoguma or whoever else) was made by a person that is not Egu.

Third, if Egu then decided to recall Akpoguma because of injuries that occurred to the likes of Shehu. That is the right of Egu as Manager to do so.

If Akpoguma then decides not to honor the replacement callup as that is HIS PROBLEM. It is not as if he is a Nigerian starter. Well, another guy (Semi Ajayi) took the chance and did well and is justifiably in the WCQ squad to play against Ghana (I believe). No biggie.....

The above is my take.
Akpoguma should be number 1 on the list of defenders. Someone will need to explain to Nigerians how the only defender playing regularly in a German first division was not originally considered for call-up only to be considered when the injury occurred. That's an insult. As stated above, there should be laid down standards for inviting players to the national team otherwise a fraudulent coach can come in and begin inviting questionable characters in the guise of "having the right to do so as a coach" What is most painful is that a lot of efforts were put into making him switch his nationality only for him to be treated in this shabby manner. We are too disorganized to achieve any meaningful thing on the world stage.


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Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:18 pm Prof., if this is supposed to be you're rationale for Eguavoen dropping him, then I am shocked that you would go down this route. :shock: :shock:

How does any intelligent coach drop a guy consistently playing at the highest and most competitive league ANY of our defenders and has been reassuring whenever he played competitively? You drop him and bring in some no-name, hey-you person who plays in South Africa in his stead? We all are aware of how quickly that hey-you person has been discarded (another failed project).
We also saw how our defense was our Achilles heel at the AFCON, yet you drop an Akpoguma? How incredibly dumb.

Akpoguma has every right to be pissed. He is a competitor who has played by the rules all his life - hard work and consistent performances will earn you recognition. How could not fathom a coach would be so corrupt to yank him off the list (for no tangible reason) for some random, no-name guy, who he is so much better than (by ANY measurable metric). You then further embarrassment the guy, by telling him to join the team to replace an injured player - this is after he had committed to helping his club fight for a champions league spot during the winter break, because of his non-selection for AFCON?

Of course, he would say no to Eguavoen's extremely daft request.

Also, Semi Ajayi was a bench warmer at WestBrom, so it made sense he would jump at the opportunity. If he wasn't, I am pretty sure he would have said no to Eguavoen, just like Emmanuel Dennis did.
Enugu II wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:30 am Emir,

We went through this.

First, Akpoguma was on the list drawn up by Gernot Rohr for the AFCON.

Second, Rohr was removed. The incoming Manager (Egu) supposedly amended the list. That list should be expected to differ somewhat from one drawn up by Rohr. If Akpoguma was replaced by Egu then there is no problem with that. It is Egu's prerogative to make that decision as manager. My only misgiving is if that decision to remove a player (Akpoguma or whoever else) was made by a person that is not Egu.

Third, if Egu then decided to recall Akpoguma because of injuries that occurred to the likes of Shehu. That is the right of Egu as Manager to do so.

If Akpoguma then decides not to honor the replacement callup as that is HIS PROBLEM. It is not as if he is a Nigerian starter. Well, another guy (Semi Ajayi) took the chance and did well and is justifiably in the WCQ squad to play against Ghana (I believe). No biggie.....

The above is my take.
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txj wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:54 pm
ahidjo2 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:47 pm
Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:18 pm Prof., if this is supposed to be you're rationale for Eguavoen dropping him, then I am shocked that you would go down this route. :shock: :shock:

How does any intelligent coach drop a guy consistently playing at the highest and most competitive league ANY of our defenders and has been reassuring whenever he played competitively? You drop him and bring in some no-name, hey-you person who plays in South Africa in his stead? We all are aware of how quickly that hey-you person has been discarded (another failed project).
We also saw how our defense was our Achilles heel at the AFCON, yet you drop an Akpoguma? How incredibly dumb.

Akpoguma has every right to be pissed. He is a competitor who has played by the rules all his life - hard work and consistent performances will earn you recognition. How could not fathom a coach would be so corrupt to yank him off the list (for no tangible reason) for some random, no-name guy, who he is so much better than (by ANY measurable metric). You then further embarrassment the guy, by telling him to join the team to replace an injured player - this is after he had committed to helping his club fight for a champions league spot during the winter break, because of his non-selection for AFCON?

Of course, he would say no to Eguavoen's extremely daft request.

Also, Semi Ajayi was a bench warmer at WestBrom, so it made sense he would jump at the opportunity. If he wasn't, I am pretty sure he would have said no to Eguavoen, just like Emmanuel Dennis did.
Enugu II wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:30 am Emir,

We went through this.

First, Akpoguma was on the list drawn up by Gernot Rohr for the AFCON.

Second, Rohr was removed. The incoming Manager (Egu) supposedly amended the list. That list should be expected to differ somewhat from one drawn up by Rohr. If Akpoguma was replaced by Egu then there is no problem with that. It is Egu's prerogative to make that decision as manager. My only misgiving is if that decision to remove a player (Akpoguma or whoever else) was made by a person that is not Egu.

Third, if Egu then decided to recall Akpoguma because of injuries that occurred to the likes of Shehu. That is the right of Egu as Manager to do so.

If Akpoguma then decides not to honor the replacement callup as that is HIS PROBLEM. It is not as if he is a Nigerian starter. Well, another guy (Semi Ajayi) took the chance and did well and is justifiably in the WCQ squad to play against Ghana (I believe). No biggie.....

The above is my take.
Akpoguma should be number 1 on the list of defenders. Someone will need to explain to Nigerians how the only defender playing regularly in a German first division was not originally considered for call-up only to be considered when the injury occurred. That's an insult. As stated above, there should be laid down standards for inviting players to the national team otherwise a fraudulent coach can come in and begin inviting questionable characters in the guise of "having the right to do so as a coach" What is most painful is that a lot of efforts were put into making him switch his nationality only for him to be treated in this shabby manner. We are too disorganized to achieve any meaningful thing on the world stage.


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Agree.
Therefore, the commonsensical thing for any intelligent coach to do is pick candidates with the very best resumes, and then make your selections from the best of the best.
Not dilute or contaminate your candidate pool with half-baked, run of the mill substandard candidates with mediocre resumes and leave out the best. That's a recipe for disaster, as evidenced by what happened in Cameroon.
Garbage in, garbage out.
txj wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:54 pm The league you play in is your resume coming in. You still have to prove it in training and on game day.
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Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:13 pm Agree.
Therefore, the commonsensical thing for any intelligent coach to do is pick candidates with the very best resumes, and then make your selections from the best of the best.
Not dilute or contaminate your candidate pool with half-baked, run of the mill substandard candidates with mediocre resumes and leave out the best. That's a recipe for disaster, as evidenced by what happened in Cameroon.
Garbage in, garbage out.
txj wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:54 pm The league you play in is your resume coming in. You still have to prove it in training and on game day.
make your selections from the best of the best. ..after reviewing performance in training and matches.

You STILL have to perform...There's no getting around that.
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Kevin wants to be to SE, what Matip is to Cameroon but he must first earn it!

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Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:13 pm Agree.
Therefore, the commonsensical thing for any intelligent coach to do is pick candidates with the very best resumes, and then make your selections from the best of the best.
Not dilute or contaminate your candidate pool with half-baked, run of the mill substandard candidates with mediocre resumes and leave out the best. That's a recipe for disaster, as evidenced by what happened in Cameroon.
Garbage in, garbage out.
txj wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:54 pm The league you play in is your resume coming in. You still have to prove it in training and on game day.
What happened in Cameroon?

Kevin has had more chances than most... so him not being in Cameroon was why we lost?
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Cellular wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:09 am
Otitokoro wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:13 pm Agree.
Therefore, the commonsensical thing for any intelligent coach to do is pick candidates with the very best resumes, and then make your selections from the best of the best.
Not dilute or contaminate your candidate pool with half-baked, run of the mill substandard candidates with mediocre resumes and leave out the best. That's a recipe for disaster, as evidenced by what happened in Cameroon.
Garbage in, garbage out.
txj wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:54 pm The league you play in is your resume coming in. You still have to prove it in training and on game day.
What happened in Cameroon?

Kevin has had more chances than most... so him not being in Cameroon was why we lost?
Any one making such a claim must have MADE THE BIGGEST REACH OF THIS CENTURY. I am putting it mildly. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about Akpoguma in an SE shirt, at this point, gives an inkling that he was a savior.
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Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.
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Enugu II wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:11 pm
txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.


Players settle differently to international football.
I think we should be careful about writing off players too quickly, especially if the quality is there in their club games.

While I fully agree that his SE performance so far does not justify a starting shirt, the fact he remains a regular and playing at the highest level of any of our defenders attests to the talent of the player.

I understand the Owubokiri example although I think this case is slightly different.

We really do need friendlies…
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Enugu II wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:11 pm
txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.
E11, you have made comments on Aribo taking his time to settle in the SE especially in the African matches why is that benefit of the doubt, not extended to Akpoguma and you keep writing him off despite having the best statistics among our central defenders in the top five European leagues?
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Akpoguma has been disrespected by Eguavoen's coaching crew and I wonder why we spent money and effort to get a top quality central defender only to abandon him. This is not going to help with other dual nationality players in the future.
Eguavoen and his crew were in the UK to speak to players including Emmanuel Dennis who turned down the AFCON invitation yet could not hop on a plane to Germany to speak to Akpoguma.
The NFF needs to find a way of mending fences between both parties.
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txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:40 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:11 pm
txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.


Players settle differently to international football.
I think we should be careful about writing off players too quickly, especially if the quality is there in their club games.

While I fully agree that his SE performance so far does not justify a starting shirt, the fact he remains a regular and playing at the highest level of any of our defenders attests to the talent of the player.

I understand the Owubokiri example although I think this case is slightly different.

We really do need friendlies…
I won't debate this because it is accurate to state that players do not always adjust similarly to a team and to international football. I only hope Akpoguma will come good in the future if he stays the course. At the moment it has not been good but, understandably, that could change.
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Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:07 pm Akpoguma has been disrespected by Eguavoen's coaching crew and I wonder why we spent money and effort to get a top quality central defender only to abandon him. This is not going to help with other dual nationality players in the future.
Eguavoen and his crew were in the UK to speak to players including Emmanuel Dennis who turned down the AFCON invitation yet could not hop on a plane to Germany to speak to Akpoguma.
The NFF needs to find a way of mending fences between both parties.
Disrespected?

Based on what exactly?
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Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:02 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:11 pm
txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.
E11, you have made comments on Aribo taking his time to settle in the SE especially in the African matches why is that benefit of the doubt, not extended to Akpoguma and you keep writing him off despite having the best statistics among our central defenders in the top five European leagues?
Why do you think that benefit has not been extended to Akpoguma, may I ask?

Dammy,

TBH, I am really amazed that you fail to decipher these simple things. Let me remind you. (1) Aribo played spectacularly in his first few games against non-African opposition as a starter. Then he was average in his first few games against African opposition, until he finally got the hang of playing against such opposition, compare then to (2) Akpoguma stunk up the joint in his first big minutes against against African opposition and has remained at that low level, in his subsequent couple of gamers.

Surely, you can understand why Aribo starts and Akpoguma was not only benched but was relegated to the cusp of the squad by Rohr and then Egu. I hope you understand the difference. TBH, I think Akpoguma (If he swallows his pride) has a mountain to climb to get to the starting spot for Nigeria. The good thing is that his club form gives him advantages. However, he must show it in SE camp and hope for a break given the current status of Ekong and Balogun in the middle. Out wide, I truly do not think Akpoguma is strong against some of the wide players in Africa that may choose to run at him. The pace? That is the problem.
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Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:07 pm Akpoguma has been disrespected by Eguavoen's coaching crew and I wonder why we spent money and effort to get a top quality central defender only to abandon him. This is not going to help with other dual nationality players in the future.
Eguavoen and his crew were in the UK to speak to players including Emmanuel Dennis who turned down the AFCON invitation yet could not hop on a plane to Germany to speak to Akpoguma.
The NFF needs to find a way of mending fences between both parties.
Wow, man! I bet you are not serious with this. :???: Are you asking that Akpoguma should be treated differently compared to other SE invitees? NO sir!!! Akpoguma should be and he has been treated like any other invitee. He cannot be treated as if he is different or some Prima Donna. He isn't. He is just one of the lads. He gets to play if he does well and gets to sit if he doesn't. That is the bottom line and that is the way it should be.

On Emmanuel Dennis, I will agree with you if Egu really treats him differently because Dennis should not be treated differently. However, from my reading of the Dennis case, it seems Pinnick is responsible for lording Dennis on the crew and that is just a bad move.
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:rotf: you think Pinnick, Eguavoen and the crew went to London to speak to players? That’s cute! Lmao you guys are quite naive. Pinnick went to London to rest and then eguavoen went on holidays and shopping. :rotf: Meeting the England based players was incidental to their trip! I saw a video of eguavoen watching Arsenal’s match on the same day Nigerian players were playing in the EPL. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:07 pm Akpoguma has been disrespected by Eguavoen's coaching crew and I wonder why we spent money and effort to get a top quality central defender only to abandon him. This is not going to help with other dual nationality players in the future.
Eguavoen and his crew were in the UK to speak to players including Emmanuel Dennis who turned down the AFCON invitation yet could not hop on a plane to Germany to speak to Akpoguma.
The NFF needs to find a way of mending fences between both parties.
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Lol one day you guys will learn that in life, there is no such thing as “equality”
Or treating everyone the same. That’s not bla life works and that’s not how you get the best result from people. You look at the person and see what’s most important to their motivation and give them that. That’s why they say you can’t treat all your children the same way! Hey! You can’t even treat all women you have dated, including your wife the same. That’s why they have that “5 love languages” thing. t
Enugu II wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:18 am
Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:07 pm Akpoguma has been disrespected by Eguavoen's coaching crew and I wonder why we spent money and effort to get a top quality central defender only to abandon him. This is not going to help with other dual nationality players in the future.
Eguavoen and his crew were in the UK to speak to players including Emmanuel Dennis who turned down the AFCON invitation yet could not hop on a plane to Germany to speak to Akpoguma.
The NFF needs to find a way of mending fences between both parties.
Wow, man! I bet you are not serious with this. :???: Are you asking that Akpoguma should be treated differently compared to other SE invitees? NO sir!!! Akpoguma should be and he has been treated like any other invitee. He cannot be treated as if he is different or some Prima Donna. He isn't. He is just one of the lads. He gets to play if he does well and gets to sit if he doesn't. That is the bottom line and that is the way it should be.

On Emmanuel Dennis, I will agree with you if Egu really treats him differently because Dennis should not be treated differently. However, from my reading of the Dennis case, it seems Pinnick is responsible for lording Dennis on the crew and that is just a bad move.
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Enugu II wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:09 am
Dammy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:02 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:11 pm
txj wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm Top game by Akpoguma today vs Bayern
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I watched it and he was good. I only wish he is half as good in a Nigerian shirt. For the old foggies, he reminds me of Richard Owubokiri. LOL.
E11, you have made comments on Aribo taking his time to settle in the SE especially in the African matches why is that benefit of the doubt, not extended to Akpoguma and you keep writing him off despite having the best statistics among our central defenders in the top five European leagues?
Why do you think that benefit has not been extended to Akpoguma, may I ask?

Dammy,

TBH, I am really amazed that you fail to decipher these simple things. Let me remind you. (1) Aribo played spectacularly in his first few games against non-African opposition as a starter. Then he was average in his first few games against African opposition, until he finally got the hang of playing against such opposition, compare then to (2) Akpoguma stunk up the joint in his first big minutes against against African opposition and has remained at that low level, in his subsequent couple of gamers.

Surely, you can understand why Aribo starts and Akpoguma was not only benched but was relegated to the cusp of the squad by Rohr and then Egu. I hope you understand the difference. TBH, I think Akpoguma (If he swallows his pride) has a mountain to climb to get to the starting spot for Nigeria. The good thing is that his club form gives him advantages. However, he must show it in SE camp and hope for a break given the current status of Ekong and Balogun in the middle. Out wide, I truly do not think Akpoguma is strong against some of the wide players in Africa that may choose to run at him. The pace? That is the problem.
Wow! Where and when did Akpoguma stink up the joint? He was hardly worse than any of the more experienced players in the games that he played. You don't have to make things up just to justify your untenable position.
It's as if simple things are too complicated for you that's why you keep contradicting yourself!
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