Referendum on Nigerian football, Pinnick: Who Replaces Eguavoen?

[Enugu II]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

[The YeyeMan]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

One of the few (only?) good initiatives he undertook although his approach was at times cack-handed (e.g. Tammy Abraham).

Generally, he was too focused on the SE; how many tangible improvements and successes can he account for across the domestic game and national teams?

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

It’s been clear, from the moment he hired Rohr, that Pinnick was in over his head. The question is, how can the FIFA inspired corruption in the NFF be overcome so that we can finally get rid of Pinnick?

As for Eguavoen, a man who can’t stand up for himself should never have been the TA of the SuperEagles. Then again, that’s probably why Pinnick picked him


Cheers.

[metalalloy]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

I hold no brief for Pinnick because he is just another cog in a machine full of buffoons but i'll question the highlighted. Its like importing a high performance vehicle into Nigerian, driving such vehicle on pot-hole ridden roads then pointing to, and blaming the vehicle as not performing as advertised.

The "foreign born" Nigerian players are not the reason for a dysfunctional federation led by a bunch of clowns. Until you have systemic changes in the way football is run in that country, you will continue to experience this same cycle.

[OJI]

Fans, supporters of Nigerian football must see that Pinnick's tenure ends in October. Anything else is chasing rats in a burning house.

As for Eguavoen, his brief as coach and technical director should be, nay, must be demanded to be over. If he never learnt about the importance of accountability, and professional integrity, this would be a teachable moment. Free education.

The real issue to be tabled for the next football administration is how do they intend to improve the league. The great world cup winning teams in various countries were anchored upon 2 or more of their domestic teams. Spain (Barcelona/Real Madrid), Germany(Bayern M, Borrussia Dortmund). The long term plan has to be put in effect. Under Pinnick's outsourcing model/tenure, the u-17, u-20, Olympics pipeline were truncated. Among other issues.

[eyan]

Alloy Agu should be fired too. He couldn't find a decent keeper all these years.

[Ugbowo]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

[vancity eagle]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

I hold no brief for Pinnick because he is just another cog in a machine full of buffoons but i'll question the highlighted. Its like importing a high performance vehicle into Nigerian, driving such vehicle on pot-hole ridden roads then pointing to, and blaming the vehicle as not performing as advertised.

The "foreign born" Nigerian players are not the reason for a dysfunctional federation led by a bunch of clowns. Until you have systemic changes in the way football is run in that country, you will continue to experience this same cycle.

KPOM.

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

I hold no brief for Pinnick because he is just another cog in a machine full of buffoons but i'll question the highlighted. Its like importing a high performance vehicle into Nigerian, driving such vehicle on pot-hole ridden roads then pointing to, and blaming the vehicle as not performing as advertised.

The "foreign born" Nigerian players are not the reason for a dysfunctional federation led by a bunch of clowns. Until you have systemic changes in the way football is run in that country, you will continue to experience this same cycle.

I agree that the main issue is our dysfunctional federation but supposing we were able to address and fix that issue in a manner that would result in a well developed grassroots football system with well organized football academies, what then would be the point in our over-reliance on foreign-born Nigerian players? The whole point is that the NFF’s main focus should be on the development of grassroots football in Nigeria rather than chasing after foreign-born Nigerian players


Cheers.

[Molue Conductor]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

I hold no brief for Pinnick because he is just another cog in a machine full of buffoons but i'll question the highlighted. Its like importing a high performance vehicle into Nigerian, driving such vehicle on pot-hole ridden roads then pointing to, and blaming the vehicle as not performing as advertised.

The "foreign born" Nigerian players are not the reason for a dysfunctional federation led by a bunch of clowns. Until you have systemic changes in the way football is run in that country, you will continue to experience this same cycle.

I agree that the main issue is our dysfunctional federation but supposing we were able to address and fix that issue in a manner that would result in a well developed grassroots football system with well organized football academies, what then would be the point in our over-reliance on foreign-born Nigerian players? The whole point is that the NFF’s main focus should be on the development of grassroots football in Nigeria rather than chasing after foreign-born Nigerian players


Cheers.

It should will naturally follow form fixing our system. Treat the infection not the symptoms.

[Damunk]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

The highlighted is incontestable and a point I have clashed with Prof on during the Rohr-must-go debates.
Prof is on record as saying there were “many top Nigerian coaches” that could take over.
Who nah?
It was these same recurring names - Amuneke, Eguavon and Finidi.
We had to respectfully disagree but the debates were generally heavy on emotion and light on fact and logic.
Like I said several times, on the strength of his CV, Amuneke for instance would NEVER be shortlisted for the SE job if he were not Nigerian. Same with Eguavon.
Yeah, we get the patriotism thing but nobody loves the SE more than the other.

You’ve said it all about self-improvement. It’s not the NFF’s job to train a coach to the top level just like it’s not the Nigerian Medical Council’s role to train me to specialist level.

Yep, sack Pinnick, but all those - and they are many - that supported some of the most damaging decisions he made can at least put their hand up and admit they were wrong - instead of making untenable arguments to save face.

I’m sorry, you can’t crucify a man for making decisions you were actually calling for before he even made them.

[joao]

It's been said that, 'too many cooks spoil the broth'.
Let the NFF chair know his job and stay within his lines. Pinnick, like most of our leaders does
not think there is a limit to his job. Which is why he continually tries to recruit players instead
of working on seeking funding, plus managing and improving the league and our competing teams.
Under Pinnick, we have missed the Olympics and fared badly in continental age group and women
competitions. The NFF chair should be confident in those employed to do coaching and other functions
within the federation, instead of intruding and micro-managing for the sake of self gratification.

Like I've stated on another thread, if Pinnick has shame and is not simply looking out for himself,
he should have announced his resignation immediately after yesterday's defeat against Ghana.
But our so-called leaders like to shamelessly sit on their own 'stink'.

[Otitokoro]

It befuddles me that after all these years, the likes of you and Prof still fail to understand what the real issues are.

1. The NFF IS focused on grassroot development. We have functional age grade teams for men and women and they have continued to do well. Nigeria has always had a good process to intercept the exceptional players at the youth level (FIFA Goal Project competitions, Principals Cup, Shell Cup, Inter-Academy competitions, etc). We also have a ton of football academies producing good, quality players. Most of the younger lads on the national team now came through such academies - some of them never even played NPFL football. This process is actually one of the very best in Africa, like it or not. This is not the problem.

2. Nigeria has, for the most part, ALWAYS had foreign born players in our squads. From Ghanaians who played for us in the 70s/80s - Baba #$% Mohammed (Mighty Jets), Leotis Boateng (Leventis), John Orlando (Shooting) to English Born players John Chidozie (Notts County) and Tunji Banjo (Leyton Orient), Nigeria HAS and WILL ALWAYS have foreign born players. Why you and Prof think its 'out of the norm' is baffling. The only difference now is that there seems to be more players pledging their allegiance to Nigeria than before and that is a function of the big spike in Nigerians living in diaspora.

3. Y'all always talk about looking 'inwards' for players. First of, I think we can agree that any truly young player or talent worth looking at has already been snapped up by either a Tier 1 or Tier II academy in Nigeria. There are tons of them and it is highly unlikely that a really good young player will slip through their nets - that would be potentially leaving big money on the table and Nigerians don't play that!
So that leads us to the 'chaff' players, who, after years and years of swirling around and multiple failed attempts of trails abroad, end up in the NPFL (like our dear Mr. Silas Nwankwo, who 'claims' to be an 18 yr old trapped in the body of a 30 yr old man). The truth is 99.99% of those playing in that league are mainly those who could not make it 'abroad' and are not and will never be good enough. They are too old to make any meaningful or reasonable investment in.

5. In what African country does the football federation actually build stadiums and provide infrastructure for its national league teams? I really can't think of any such scenario around the world. Clubs are either self funded, or are beneficiaries of extremely rich individuals or companies. The likes of Abiola Babes, ACB, NNB, Ranchers Bees (formerly DIC Bees) and Leventis United back in the day readily come to mind. Nowadays, no one really wants to take that financial risk (if you haven't watch late MKO Abiola's take on the challenges he went through regarding Abiola Babes back then and why he stopped funding the team).

Summary: The job of the NFF is to facilitated and organize football within and without Nigeria. This includes organizing intra-country competitions (National League, Challenge Cup, etc) as well as management of the various national teams. It does not include providing funding or infrastructure for the various clubsides within the country. That responsibility lies with either the government (through the sports ministry) or private investors/club owners.

I agree that the main issue is our dysfunctional federation but supposing we were able to address and fix that issue in a manner that would result in a well developed grassroots football system with well organized football academies, what then would be the point in our over-reliance on foreign-born Nigerian players? The whole point is that the NFF’s main focus should be on the development of grassroots football in Nigeria rather than chasing after foreign-born Nigerian players
Cheers.

[Enugu II]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

Ugbowo

Believe it or not, I actually agree that it is bullshit. The point however is that it has defined Pinnick's policy. All you have to do is finding media reports of his statement early in his tenure when Nigerian youths in London trained in his presence during a failed international that had been planned for the SE.

[Enugu II]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

The highlighted is incontestable and a point I have clashed with Prof on during the Rohr-must-go debates.
Prof is on record as saying there were “many top Nigerian coaches” that could take over.
Who nah?
It was these same recurring names - Amuneke, Eguavon and Finidi.
We had to respectfully disagree but the debates were generally heavy on emotion and light on fact and logic.
Like I said several times, on the strength of his CV, Amuneke for instance would NEVER be shortlisted for the SE job if he were not Nigerian. Same with Eguavon.
Yeah, we get the patriotism thing but nobody loves the SE more than the other.

You’ve said it all about self-improvement. It’s not the NFF’s job to train a coach to the top level just like it’s not the Nigerian Medical Council’s role to train me to specialist level.

Yep, sack Pinnick, but all those - and they are many - that supported some of the most damaging decisions he made can at least put their hand up and admit they were wrong - instead of making untenable arguments to save face.

I’m sorry, you can’t crucify a man for making decisions you were actually calling for before he even made them.

There are many Nigerian coaches who actually continue to educate themselves. Is Ugbowo not one of them? Is Amuneke not one of them? There are many others.

[Enugu II]

It befuddles me that after all these years, the likes of you and Prof still fail to understand what the real issues are.
Otitokoro, I do not need a lecture on Nigeria's use of foreign-based Nigerians. I have written expansiverly on it and consider myself well versed on the subject. Below I address the points that you raise.
1. The NFF IS focused on grassroot development. We have functional age grade teams for men and women and they have continued to do well. Nigeria has always had a good process to intercept the exceptional players at the youth level (FIFA Goal Project competitions, Principals Cup, Shell Cup, Inter-Academy competitions, etc). We also have a ton of football academies producing good, quality players. Most of the younger lads on the national team now came through such academies - some of them never even played NPFL football. This process is actually one of the very best in Africa, like it or not. This is not the problem.
The current NFF is actually failing in grassroots development. Which indices have you used recently to measure its success? If you use developing top level players can you please let us know the lads developed under the watch of this NFF, comparatively, that are coming through the ranks. Do not cite those developed in European academies? Nor should you focus on those developed in academies before this current NFF regime. If you look at the national youth team setup, it has been a colossal failure with this curtrent NFF regime. You should know that if you have been paying attention especioally with the male teams.
2. Nigeria has, for the most part, ALWAYS had foreign born players in our squads. From Ghanaians who played for us in the 70s/80s - Baba #$% Mohammed (Mighty Jets), Leotis Boateng (Leventis), John Orlando (Shooting) to English Born players John Chidozie (Notts County) and Tunji Banjo (Leyton Orient), Nigeria HAS and WILL ALWAYS have foreign born players. Why you and Prof think its 'out of the norm' is baffling. The only difference now is that there seems to be more players pledging their allegiance to Nigeria than before and that is a function of the big spike in Nigerians living in diaspora.
I have neither disregarded this nor have I called for ignoring any Nigerian-eligible player wherever the person is. What is out of the norm, is a subtle change that you are either deliberately ignoring or unaware of. Here it is: At the moment Amaju is focusing SOLELY on foreign-born Nigerians and speedily moving towardss it and he has made some statements to that effect. That is precisely what oppose. Nigeria should grab talents wherever including those AT HOME. No one should be neglected! That is my position. I disagree wityh a focus on Big 5 Leaguers as some have advocated. I have made it clear that Nigerian players, especially those groomed at home, do not selected clubs on whether the club is BIG 5or BIG HEAD or BIG CRAP. They selected a club based on opportunity and wage earning
3. Y'all always talk about looking 'inwards' for players. First of, I think we can agree that any truly young player or talent worth looking at has already been snapped up by either a Tier 1 or Tier II academy in Nigeria. There are tons of them and it is highly unlikely that a really good young player will slip through their nets - that would be potentially leaving big money on the table and Nigerians don't play that!
So that leads us to the 'chaff' players, who, after years and years of swirling around and multiple failed attempts of trails abroad, end up in the NPFL (like our dear Mr. Silas Nwankwo, who 'claims' to be an 18 yr old trapped in the body of a 30 yr old man). The truth is 99.99% of those playing in that league are mainly those who could not make it 'abroad' and are not and will never be good enough. They are too old to make any meaningful or reasonable investment in.
I disagree with your analysis here. While it is true that a good number of top players go to the academies, players develop differently. That is why some of the players that eventually ended up in Europe actually played for a short period in the NPFL including Ejuke. Was he a Silas Nwankwo? Was the lad we saw from Orlando Pirates a Silas Nwankwo? Is Moses Simon a Silas Nwankwo, I can go on and on. They were all NPFL players at one time or the other. Nevertheless, I agree that most of top players groomed at home go through the academies and some do not even go to an academy as we saw recently with a vacationing lad from Nigeria who ended up in Germany and quickly headed up the German football liga ladder and was duly reported in the media as a sensation. There are many others. All I have stated is Nigeria needs to pay attention and not be limited to a focus on some Big 5 in Europe and players with football education from an European academy. That is my viewe. Do not limit yourself, Nigeria.
5. In what African country does the football federation actually build stadiums and provide infrastructure for its national league teams? I really can't think of any such scenario around the world. Clubs are either self funded, or are beneficiaries of extremely rich individuals or companies. The likes of Abiola Babes, ACB, NNB, Ranchers Bees (formerly DIC Bees) and Leventis United back in the day readily come to mind. Nowadays, no one really wants to take that financial risk (if you haven't watch late MKO Abiola's take on the challenges he went through regarding Abiola Babes back then and why he stopped funding the team).
Comment reserved. This is an interesting topic deserving full attention but for later.

Summary: The job of the NFF is to facilitated and organize football within and without Nigeria. This includes organizing intra-country competitions (National League, Challenge Cup, etc) as well as management of the various national teams. It does not include providing funding or infrastructure for the various clubsides within the country. That responsibility lies with either the government (through the sports ministry) or private investors/club owners.

I agree that the main issue is our dysfunctional federation but supposing we were able to address and fix that issue in a manner that would result in a well developed grassroots football system with well organized football academies, what then would be the point in our over-reliance on foreign-born Nigerian players? The whole point is that the NFF’s main focus should be on the development of grassroots football in Nigeria rather than chasing after foreign-born Nigerian players
Cheers.

[niyi]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

I hold no brief for Pinnick because he is just another cog in a machine full of buffoons but i'll question the highlighted. Its like importing a high performance vehicle into Nigerian, driving such vehicle on pot-hole ridden roads then pointing to, and blaming the vehicle as not performing as advertised.

The "foreign born" Nigerian players are not the reason for a dysfunctional federation led by a bunch of clowns. Until you have systemic changes in the way football is run in that country, you will continue to experience this same cycle.

I don’t think Enugu is implying foreign born players are a reason. The truth is that Pinnick ignored grassroot football development and focused on bringing in people developed by other countries. He was doing the same thing with the athletic federation as far back as the early 00s.

[Otitokoro]

Niyi and Prof,
Let's level set here, because yall keep using the term 'grassroot football' and my understanding of what that means seems to be different from yours.

So, Prof and Niyi, please define what 'grassroot football' means from your perspective.

I don’t think Enugu is implying foreign born players are a reason. The truth is that Pinnick ignored grassroot football development and focused on bringing in people developed by other countries. He was doing the same thing with the athletic federation as far back as the early 00s.

[imehjunior]

Saw this on Whatsapp

Failure begets serious exposure....

Maybe this will calm your nerves regarding our loss yesterday.

Ghana’s Technical Crew
1- Chris Hughton – Premier League coach
2- Otto Addo – Asst coach of Borussia Dortmund*
3- George Boateng – Aston Villa under 23 coach.
4- Mas-ud Didi Dramani – Asst Coach at Norsjelland in Danish league.

Nigeria’s Technical crew
1- Austin Eguavoen – Jobless failed coach who took a job Seyi Olofinjana rejected…..
2- Emmanuel Amunike – Failed coach who was demoted to academy scout within 1 month
3- Paul Aigbogun – Another failed coach with no profile to write home about
4-Salisu Yusuf – Banned bribe taker
5-Joseph Yobo – Fashionista for 6 years and thereafter foisted on us by Segun Odegbami and co with zero coaching profile.

We lost our 2022 world cup ticket from the bench….

[txj]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager[/b]. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

Ugbowo

Believe it or not, I actually agree that it is bullshit. The point however is that it has defined Pinnick's policy. All you have to do is finding media reports of his statement early in his tenure when Nigerian youths in London trained in his presence during a failed international that had been planned for the SE.

Then why does it see like you are promoting the narrative?
Not sure I understand...

[Enugu II]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager[/b]. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

Ugbowo

Believe it or not, I actually agree that it is bullshit. The point however is that it has defined Pinnick's policy. All you have to do is finding media reports of his statement early in his tenure when Nigerian youths in London trained in his presence during a failed international that had been planned for the SE.

Then why does it see like you are promoting the narrative?
Not sure I understand...

Txj,

I report claims made by others on both sides of a debate and then I add my schtick. I am not one of those who seek to shutdown the opposing side. I report exactly what Pinnick is about but it does not mean that I agree with him. I have my only opinion which I readilyu share. I thought you understood this. There are only a few who I know are never able to get their head around that, but I was certain that you knew that already.

[txj]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager[/b]. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

Ugbowo

Believe it or not, I actually agree that it is bullshit. The point however is that it has defined Pinnick's policy. All you have to do is finding media reports of his statement early in his tenure when Nigerian youths in London trained in his presence during a failed international that had been planned for the SE.

Then why does it see like you are promoting the narrative?
Not sure I understand...

Txj,

I report claims made by others on both sides of a debate and then I add my schtick. I am not one of those who seek to shutdown the opposing side. I report exactly what Pinnick is about but it does not mean that I agree with him. I have my only opinion which I readilyu share. I thought you understood this. There are only a few who I know are never able to get their head around that, but I was certain that you knew that already.

EII,

Well just on this thread alone Ugbowo didn’t understand your initial points until you had to clarify.

And this is what you wrote: “He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager”.

In other words, you’re caught up in the narrative…. Why would you lend credence to a clearly BS narrative?

It’s never being about shutting down debate. It’s not always an either or scenario.

[Enugu II]

Clearly, Eguavoen's time is done. He will struggle to even remain as the TD given recriminations that will follow. The question us will assistants like Amuneke survive?

Pinnick himself is clearly a target now. In his tenure, he has instituted a policy of focusing on foreign- born Nigerian players. He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager[/b]. I am not just writing about the SE level, but entire Nigerian football including the youth level that collapsed under his tenure. He now faces due scrutiny.

His entire philosophy will be questioned.

So while I headline this around a decision on Eguavoen, it is far reaching.

Prof,

The highlighted is BS and you know it. The focus should not be on that. It instead should be on getting the best Nigerians to represent Nigeria, regardless of where they were born. Having the foreign born players on the squad is not and should not be at the expense of a Nigerian born player. It always should be about performance. None of those boys are getting preferential treatment. That status belongs to the Musas and Ighalos of this world.

Even as i say all that, Pinnick cannot get a third term. He focused way too much on the SE and they failed. He will have to pay the price. The less said about Eguavoen the better. It is very important to continue to educate yourself if you plan to be a coach. Your need to want to be a coach period, not just Coach of the Super Eagles. This goes for all our ex internationals eyeing the job. Go and better yourselves and learn more about the game. Ghana was going to get railroaded in the second half based on how the first half went but their coach made a half time adjustment and they are going to Qatar.

Ugbowo

Believe it or not, I actually agree that it is bullshit. The point however is that it has defined Pinnick's policy. All you have to do is finding media reports of his statement early in his tenure when Nigerian youths in London trained in his presence during a failed international that had been planned for the SE.

Then why does it see like you are promoting the narrative?
Not sure I understand...

Txj,

I report claims made by others on both sides of a debate and then I add my schtick. I am not one of those who seek to shutdown the opposing side. I report exactly what Pinnick is about but it does not mean that I agree with him. I have my only opinion which I readilyu share. I thought you understood this. There are only a few who I know are never able to get their head around that, but I was certain that you knew that already.

EII,

Well just on this thread alone Ugbowo didn’t understand your initial points until you had to clarify.

And this is what you wrote: “He claimed that they have the football education but the results have been sorely meager”.

In other words, you’re caught up in the narrative…. Why would you lend credence to a clearly BS narrative?

It’s never being about shutting down debate. It’s not always an either or scenario.

The claim of football education is by Rohr and I do not agree with it. That is why the claim is clearly assigned to Rohr and not to me as the sentence makes clear. Does it not? In my opinion, the results are meager. Now, does that in any way indicate that such players should be, in totality, uninvited? Not at all? Is there a place there or anywhere else where I have stated that they should not be invited? Nope. So where do you or anyone else get that reading or attribution?

I suppose that there is a feeling that each point and argument can only be understood from a binary. Yet, some arguments are far more nuanced than a binary is, with multiple colorations and positionalities. This is obviously one of them. For instance, the lad at Arsenal who ended up playing for England was a guy I fully supported for SE same as I like the Olise lad. But I sure do not support for every Tom, Dicckk, and Harry who is born to a Nigerian parent in Europe to be an SE candidate. In Nigeria, I fully support for the local lads to get oopportunities because I think statgistically that there is a significant probability of a player to be located who is good enough.