BOSSO Names 40 for U20 Camp......

[mcal]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

[mcal]

...no mister man, I am not asking for quota, I am asking and suggesting the bulk of our home based U20 players should be part and parcel of the SE (if they perform) not the foreign born just because they attained the so called "football education" which we can also set up in Nigeria.

Bro, you are not making sense. In the last AFCON for instance are Nwakali, Iheanacho, Uzoho, Awoniyi, Omeruo, Musa, Shehu, Simon, Chukwueze, Akpeyi, Awaziem, Ejuke etc, passed through either U17, U20 or both, are they foreign born? Even Ozonwafor & Amoo are most likely going to be called in the nearest future. I no even mention Onyekuru. Please name any former U20 player that has been left out for foreign born players just because they are born aboard. Just mention one name.

...we will see with this set. Next Afcon and world cup qualification are coming up.

[Damunk]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

Chief, just accept you made a sweeping assumption which has little or no basis.
The host of players from our youth ranks that Adisboy listed for you is far more than the average nation can boast of.

Like I said, that the U20 teams should make up "the bulk" of a nation's full national squad a few years later is an absolute myth.
Go check the records of any nation.

[Enugu II]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

Chief, just accept you made a sweeping assumption which has little or no basis.
The host of players from our youth ranks that Adisboy listed for you is far more than the average nation can boast of.

Like I said, that the U20 teams should make up "the bulk" of a nation's full national squad a few years later is an absolute myth.
Go check the records of any nation.

KPOM. It is a myth that just continues to grow legs inspite of data indicating otherwise.

[Sunset]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

Chief, just accept you made a sweeping assumption which has little or no basis.
The host of players from our youth ranks that Adisboy listed for you is far more than the average nation can boast of.

Like I said, that the U20 teams should make up "the bulk" of a nation's full national squad a few years later is an absolute myth.
Go check the records of any nation.

KPOM. It is a myth that just continues to grow legs inspite of data indicating otherwise.

But what makes it a myth? I'm not invested in this foreign born topic, but wrt the U20's (plus our other youth teams) they are "supposed" to represent the best talents of that age group that the country has to offer and if that is the case the likeliness of them making that breakthrough to the main SE would be high, just looking at our current squad we have the likes of:
Akpeyi (2005)
Ighalo (2009)
Omeruo, Musa (2011)
Ajayi, Shehu (2013)
Simon, Iheanacho (2015)
Osimhen, Chukwueze (2017)
That were part of our U20's at a point and it's a lot more if we were to look at the U17's, U23's, CHAN eagles etc, for those that have been capped/have a chance of breaking in to the main squad in the near future. Though our biggest hindrance remains quality control of these cadet teams + lack of early experience

[Enugu II]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

Chief, just accept you made a sweeping assumption which has little or no basis.
The host of players from our youth ranks that Adisboy listed for you is far more than the average nation can boast of.

Like I said, that the U20 teams should make up "the bulk" of a nation's full national squad a few years later is an absolute myth.
Go check the records of any nation.

KPOM. It is a myth that just continues to grow legs inspite of data indicating otherwise.

But what makes it a myth? I'm not invested in this foreign born topic, but wrt the U20's (plus our other youth teams) they are "supposed" to represent the best talents of that age group that the country has to offer and if that is the case the likeliness of them making that breakthrough to the main SE would be high, just looking at our current squad we have the likes of:
Akpeyi (2005)
Ighalo (2009)
Omeruo, Musa (2011)
Ajayi, Shehu (2013)
Simon, Iheanacho (2015)
Osimhen, Chukwueze (2017)
That were part of our U20's at a point and it's a lot more if we were to look at the U17's, U23's, CHAN eagles etc, for those that have been capped/have a chance of breaking in to the main squad in the near future. Though our biggest hindrance remains quality control of these cadet teams + lack of early experience

Sunset,

But your listing substantiates the myth behind it. You listed how many players out of how many that were actually part of the squads for years? The fact is that very small numbers make it from those levels to the highest level of professional football. We ran data on this, covering several nations across the world- and the output is meager. Only the likes of Brazil and Costa Rica produced a bit more than others. Nigeria, actually, was on per with other nations that had a meager number advance to the senior level and the focus was not only advancing to the full national team but we added advancing to the top level of any national league. Thus it was not only the senior national team that was considered a success! Yet the output was meager.

[Sunset]

...all home based. Now when these kids go out and perform well they will be ignored for SE invite for foreign born of same age.

When has that highlighted ever happened in the SE. If that is the case why is Awoniyi, Moffi etc being called but not Dessers? What of Chuba Akpom & Ovie Ejaria? Why have they not been called up but we get Frank Onyeka?

...those are the few exceptions called, still many played with them at youth level but never call. They should be the bulk to make up a set.

Chief, just accept you made a sweeping assumption which has little or no basis.
The host of players from our youth ranks that Adisboy listed for you is far more than the average nation can boast of.

Like I said, that the U20 teams should make up "the bulk" of a nation's full national squad a few years later is an absolute myth.
Go check the records of any nation.

KPOM. It is a myth that just continues to grow legs inspite of data indicating otherwise.

But what makes it a myth? I'm not invested in this foreign born topic, but wrt the U20's (plus our other youth teams) they are "supposed" to represent the best talents of that age group that the country has to offer and if that is the case the likeliness of them making that breakthrough to the main SE would be high, just looking at our current squad we have the likes of:
Akpeyi (2005)
Ighalo (2009)
Omeruo, Musa (2011)
Ajayi, Shehu (2013)
Simon, Iheanacho (2015)
Osimhen, Chukwueze (2017)
That were part of our U20's at a point and it's a lot more if we were to look at the U17's, U23's, CHAN eagles etc, for those that have been capped/have a chance of breaking in to the main squad in the near future. Though our biggest hindrance remains quality control of these cadet teams + lack of early experience

Sunset,

But your listing substantiates the myth behind it. You listed how many players out of how many that were actually part of the squads for years? The fact is that very small numbers make it from those levels to the highest level of professional football. We ran data on this, covering several nations across the world- and the output is meager. Only the likes of Brazil and Costa Rica produced a bit more than others. Nigeria, actually, was on per with other nations that had a meager number advance to the senior level and the focus was not only advancing to the full national team but we added advancing to the top level of any national league. Thus it was not only the senior national team that was considered a success! Yet the output was meager.

The list is only of guys (10) in the most recent squad (vs Ghana) of 25 that have played specifically for our U20's so I wouldn't describe it as meagre. It's actually a lot more if we were to look at it over the past few years.
if were were to stretch it out to include our U17's and U23's that is 17 out of that squad of 25, over half of our squad with previous experience with a youth team.

As I said wrt Quality control, the main issue especially with our U20 is the evident trend of calling up academy level players to those teams when there are more talented players already competing at the senior level be it in the NPFL or the lower divisions in Europe. An Ndidi will only pop up once every blue moon, and as long as selections are for a good part compromised the numbers won't fully reflect the reality

[mcal]

...I can't argue any further. Some folks, especially our foreign based CEs are vested in foreign born, foreign coach, foreign anything to prosecute our national team matches on African soil. Because of this allure, Picnik bought into it from the onset, and rest is now history and down fall of our recent campaign.

[Adisboy]

...I can't argue any further. Some folks, especially our foreign based CEs are vested in foreign born, foreign coach, foreign anything to prosecute our national team matches on African soil. Because of this allure, Picnik bought into it from the onset, and rest is now history and down fall of our recent campaign.

You can't argue any further because you brought up a premise that doesn't and never has existed. Nigeria typically go after any player doing well in a top league with Nigeria roots. 90% of the time they are Nigerian born exports most recently Sanusi (nobody knew about him when he was in Nigeria), others are Onyekuru, Collins, Ejuke, Bonke, Dennis, etc. As far as I know the only foreign born players being clamoured for currently are Eze & Olise. But compare against Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwobodo, Amoo that are equally being clamoured for for call ups. Unless, you mean we shouldn't call up foreign borns at all. For you to attribute our failure to qualify to this is just lame. The culprits (Moses missing a sitter in Kumasi & Uzoho fluffing a simple shot), were all home born players.

[Damunk]

...I can't argue any further. Some folks, especially our foreign based CEs are vested in foreign born, foreign coach, foreign anything to prosecute our national team matches on African soil. Because of this allure, Picnik bought into it from the onset, and rest is now history and down fall of our recent campaign.

You can't argue any further because you brought up a premise that doesn't and never has existed. Nigeria typically go after any player doing well in a top league with Nigeria roots. 90% of the time they are Nigerian born exports most recently Sanusi (nobody knew about him when he was in Nigeria), others are Onyekuru, Collins, Ejuke, Bonke, Dennis, etc. As far as I know the only foreign born players being clamoured for currently are Eze & Olise. But compare against Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwobodo, Amoo that are equally being clamoured for for call ups. Unless, you mean we shouldn't call up foreign borns at all. For you to attribute our failure to qualify to this is just lame. The culprits (Moses missing a sitter in Kumasi & Uzoho fluffing a simple shot), were all home born players.

Not sure what entered mcal’s head on this topic but the whole FB thing has been so politicized that Nigerians are now actively campaigning against our own interests.
It’s great to be patriotic but the Nigerian version of it means you publicly argue one thing but when the shytt hits the fan you casually change direction or act like you weren’t part of the problem. Or you simply spin it like everyone else is stupid and didn’t hear or see what you were pushing before.

“Local coach! Local coach!” naim carry us enter hole where we dey now.
Next thing we are hearing is that the foreign-born players cause am.
It’s okay.

[Sunset]

[Enugu II]

I wonder if the boys had enough time to build team understanding, which is critical at this stage? The way these teams are prepared except for the SE, under the current NFF, can be grating. Enough stated.

[Damunk]

Who be that absolute giant in the back row?
E be like him carry glove.
Even the guy beside him is extremely tall cos they both dwarf everyone.
And it doesn’t look like they’re standing on anything.

[Sunset]

From the rejected stone to cornerstone: Touching story of Flying Eagles skipper Adegbite

https://futbalgalore.com.ng/2022/04/28/ ... -adegbite/
Ademetan Abayomi by Ademetan Abayomi April 28, 2022 in African Football

They say life is full of ups and downs. That some people draw inspiration more from failures than successes. Such is the story of present Enyimba player, Emmanuel Adegbite. Just last season in Nigerian football season, Adegbite was playing and captaining Delta Force football club of Asaba. He led the botched charged for promotion and covered himself in glory in that season and a move to Enyimba did not come to anybody as a surprise. Just few days ago, he was called up to the camp of the Flying Eagles of Coach Ladam Bosso and the good news, expectedly so is that he made the final squad for the WAFU B tournament in Niger Republic but the icing on the cake is him being named the captain of the team.

But before these adulation and encomiums, it wasn’t all that rossy for the charismatic defender. Started his playing career at FC Ebedei, a grassroot club renowned to have produced the likes of Frank Onyeka of Brentford FC, Paul Onuachu of Genk and so many other European based players. For young Adegbite, it has always been following the footsteps of these fine ambassadors of the club before him. He set off to Abia Comets where chances were few and far in between just because he was deemed too young to play in the most important league in Nigerian footballing pyramid. He was then tagged surplus to requirement and released.

Then the salvation, Mr Chidi Okonkwo the current City FC of Abuja Chairman saw Adegbite and gave him a chance at Vermad Africa. Chairman, as Mr Chidi Okonkwo is fondly called, took him to Delta Force FC and made him his captain for the 2020/2021 Nigerian National League. That was the masterstroke. Under the tutelage of Coach Sunday Okoh, he became a total player. Every game he played, he became better and his stock was increasing. Though Delta Force narrowly missed on promotion because of dip in form towards the end of the season which coincided with the 5 games that Adegbite missed through a toe injury. As a defender, he scored 4 goals in 15 matches in the NNL for Delta Force. But he has done enough to convince Enyimba of how good he was.

At Enyimba, when the announcement was made. Few Nigeria football league followers were shocked and wondered why Enyimba by their standard signed a lower league player. Those concerns have been turned emphatically to admirations for one of the highly rated young Center backs in the country. Under Coach Finidi George, has gotten better. It took him time because of injury to be part of the first team squad but when he started, he never looked back. He has lost only once in 8 league appearances for Enyimba and helped the Aba based side to 4 clean sheets in the process. He is calm, composed and intelligent on the ball and without the ball. He has eyes for goal which is a testament to how good and dominant he is in the air. He has a special gift of reading the game well and easily had one of the highest interception rates in the NNL last season.

Tosin Adegbite is the modern day Centre Back. He ticks all the boxes on the necessary requirements and attributes of who the present day 21st century defender should be. And that’s it didn’t meet anybody by surprise when he headlined the 40 man list for the Flying Eagles camp. In camp he has excelled and expectedly so made the final squad for the WAFU B tournament in Niger Republic, he was made the Captain of the team, a decision every one applauded. In him, Ladam Bosso can count on a leader, organizer and trusted player who can carry out his instructions on and off the pitch.

As the rain wash away the pains of Adegbite past and ushered him in to a new beginning. Many who have been following his exploits at Enyimba believe that this is just the starting point for the Oyo state boy destined for glory. This is not a hype, this is the fact! Good luck Tosin!

[Adisboy]

I wonder if the boys had enough time to build team understanding, which is critical at this stage? The way these teams are prepared except for the SE, under the current NFF, can be grating. Enough stated.

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

[Damunk]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

[Sunset]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

His suggestion might be on the extreme side, but the point is this squad of players have had very little time to prepare for these qualifiers (Player selection, friendlies, tactics, etc) opening your first camp less than two weeks ago is far too last minute, no?

[Damunk]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

His suggestion might be on the extreme side, but the point is this squad of players have had very little time to prepare for these qualifiers (Player selection, friendlies, tactics, etc) opening your first camp less than two weeks ago is far too last minute, no?

Yes, that point is easily made and recognised.
But this isn't the first time people have suggested lengthy camping for the national youth teams. I think it is borne of a fundamental assumption that you can just take these kids away from their homes and bases because they are desperate to make it in football.

U-20s is still understandable to an extent, but younger than that should be a no-no.
I believe it is what is behind the scrapping of the national U15 and U13 teams which, in my opinion, shouldn't be a national priority but a LG and state-channelled program.

Adisboy might, as you say, been a little extreme, but it would be nice to hear what people recognise as a reasonable period for these young players. The slightly older ones (19, 20) have clubs to play for and earn a living from. Many have -
or should have - educational requirements as a 'Plan B'.

Just because they are mostly from poor backgrounds doesn't mean we should ignore the fundamentals just for our own entertainment.

[Enugu II]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

His suggestion might be on the extreme side, but the point is this squad of players have had very little time to prepare for these qualifiers (Player selection, friendlies, tactics, etc) opening your first camp less than two weeks ago is far too last minute, no?

Yes, that point is easily made and recognised.
But this isn't the first time people have suggested lengthy camping for the national youth teams. I think it is borne of a fundamental assumption that you can just take these kids away from their homes and bases because they are desperate to make it in football.

U-20s is still understandable to an extent, but younger than that should be a no-no.
I believe it is what is behind the scrapping of the national U15 and U13 teams which, in my opinion, shouldn't be a national priority but a LG and state-channelled program.

Adisboy might, as you say, been a little extreme, but it would be nice to hear what people recognise as a reasonable period for these young players. The slightly older ones (19, 20) have clubs to play for and earn a living from. Many have -
or should have - educational requirements as a 'Plan B'.

Just because they are mostly from poor backgrounds doesn't mean we should ignore the fundamentals just for our own entertainment.

Damunk,

I believe the 9-month was simply a stretch to make a point. However, there is no question that the current camping program for these lads is rubbish. We tried it before and kit failed woefully. I hope you recall the first two attempts competing for the local AFCON? It was this type of nonchalant approach that led to poor results. Keshi was then appointed and he changed all that. Not only did he demand and get early camping (players left at weekends to play for their clubs and had time off for other matters). Thus, Keshi took care of other important issues that you raised. RESULT? medal round of the local AFCON and a few [players that became integral to the SE proper. It did not happen via this type of haphazard approach.

[txj]

I'm willing to bet that many of these players are not the best talent in their positions within this age group.
The problem as Sunset said is the quality control...

[Sunset]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

His suggestion might be on the extreme side, but the point is this squad of players have had very little time to prepare for these qualifiers (Player selection, friendlies, tactics, etc) opening your first camp less than two weeks ago is far too last minute, no?

Yes, that point is easily made and recognised.
But this isn't the first time people have suggested lengthy camping for the national youth teams. I think it is borne of a fundamental assumption that you can just take these kids away from their homes and bases because they are desperate to make it in football.

U-20s is still understandable to an extent, but younger than that should be a no-no.
I believe it is what is behind the scrapping of the national U15 and U13 teams which, in my opinion, shouldn't be a national priority but a LG and state-channelled program.

Adisboy might, as you say, been a little extreme, but it would be nice to hear what people recognise as a reasonable period for these young players. The slightly older ones (19, 20) have clubs to play for and earn a living from. Many have -
or should have - educational requirements as a 'Plan B'.

Just because they are mostly from poor backgrounds doesn't mean we should ignore the fundamentals just for our own entertainment.

I hear your points but if we were to look at the period in which we had the U13/15 programs (starting around 201/112) it would be followed up with arguably the most successful period for our U17's winning consecutive world cups in 2013 & 2015, the dropoff (in results and quality of players) since it got scrapped has been ridiculous to say the least. Which is why their lackadaisical attitude towards them is called out, its a similar way the've been dealing with out Homebased teams.

Bare in mind the National level is where the "elite" players of that age group meet up, wouldn't it be likely to assume that (with all things equal) they're going to pursue a professional career anyway? That comes with sacrifices and its not like they're doing it against a players will, plus there are a number of International friendly windows that could be used. This method would make a lot more sense at the club level so at least the issue of relocation wouldn't be as drastic but the only problem is (Minus Remo stars & a few others) the environment isnt well structured for the players at that youth level. As even the NPFL seem to have similar approach running a 2 week U15 tournament every year and then going back to a period of inactivity with no U17, or U20 side to continue the process. And the ones who lose out the most in this are those trying to pursue a professional football career.

[Damunk]

It is a tough one. When you read the stories of successful ex-youth internationals like Osimhen, Awoniyi and Nwakali and what risks they had to take as mere children, your heart bleeds for them. They've made it but for every one of them that does, there are hundreds that don't. And all three have said that they were not even the most talented players in their age bracket but were lucky or blessed to make it through.

So for players so young, I think we should at least try and not be complicit in the exploitation of their desperation to make it - often driven by poverty. These kids really have no choice but their welfare should equally be our concern.

[Adisboy]

Prof, it's just madness. The U20 & U17 should have been in camp now for at least 9months before now. I just don't get the plan of the current leadership on youth football. There seems to be no program for the national youth teams as they are only called up weeks to a crucial tournament. This to me, is the height of cluelessness.

Wait o.
I'm just trying to understand.
How would a 9-month camping programme work for these young men and women?
Even more so the U17s.

Does the NFF not have a responsibility not to jeopardise their education, their family life and even their club careers for those that are already on the books of clubs?
Make we think am well o.
You can't do a 9-month camp the way you seem to be suggesting.
Does it happen that way anywhere else in the world?
Just curious.

Damunk, you are clearly misunderstanding my point. What i am saying is the team should have been formed at least 9 months ago. I don't mean they would be in camp for a stretch of 9 months. Like in the past, there was intermittent camping, where they come together for 3-4 weeks camping play friendlies then break up for weeks then reassemble again. You don't form a team just 3 weeks to a major tournament & expect miracles. Iheanacho & Osimhen sets were formed almost 2 years before the World Cups & almost a year before qualifiers. As the team progresses players are added & dropped during this period before the final squad emerges. This is clearly not the case now. I don't have high hopes for the current set up.