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joao wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:03 pm We are a shameless lot for begging players to play for the SE.
After all these years and all the snobs, we still do not have the sense or pride to develop
our talents and mold them to fit our purpose. Instead we go begging for talents developed
by other nations, and worse still rubbish their commitment when our corrupt system aids the
teams' effort.

We need to stop this shameful begging of foreign players, and instead start letting
them apply to play for our teams, and then pick which ones fit our needs.
The problem, joao, is you consider inviting an eligible player born overseas to play for the Nigeria national team to be "begging".

The other problem is see you this as an "either/or" situation. For you, Nigeria should not approach players born overseas but should "develop its own talents". Any national football association will be invested in developing talent inside its borders AND scouting players from outside who are good enough to make the grade.

Do you think Spain "begged" Thiago to play for them? Portugal "begged" Pepe? Ivory Coast begged Zaha?

But who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe Pinnick's approach is to go on his hands and knees and beg players; but for most people it'll be a conversation. A conversation where one sells the benefits of playing for Nigeria. There is no begging.
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The YeyeMan wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 am
joao wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:03 pm We are a shameless lot for begging players to play for the SE.
After all these years and all the snobs, we still do not have the sense or pride to develop
our talents and mold them to fit our purpose. Instead we go begging for talents developed
by other nations, and worse still rubbish their commitment when our corrupt system aids the
teams' effort.

We need to stop this shameful begging of foreign players, and instead start letting
them apply to play for our teams, and then pick which ones fit our needs.
The problem, joao, is you consider inviting an eligible player born overseas to play for the Nigeria national team to be "begging".

The other problem is see you this as an "either/or" situation. For you, Nigeria should not approach players born overseas but should "develop its own talents". Any national football association will be invested in developing talent inside its borders AND scouting players from outside who are good enough to make the grade.

Do you think Spain "begged" Thiago to play for them? Portugal "begged" Pepe? Ivory Coast begged Zaha?

But who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe Pinnick's approach is to go on his hands and knees and beg players; but for most people it'll be a conversation. A conversation where one sells the benefits of playing for Nigeria. There is no begging.
Kpom.
Joao’s thinking is outdated and has no place in the modern game.
You go where the best eligible talent is available.

If France can field an African team and strut around for four years as World Champions no shaking, then Nigeria would be ten times foolish not to engage in a tug of war to grab its own eligible players, all because they were born and live abroad.
Nobody is going to clap for us for our ‘honourable’ and ‘principled’ stance of fielding only or mostly players developed in Nigeria.

I don’t see the USA, Canada, the UK or any European country apologising for aggressively hoovering up African talent to service their healthcare, engineering and IT sectors, or academia. Nigeria paid for my education. The UK is milking it, no apologies.
Meanwhile we are still here feeling guilty for going after genuine Nigerians born abroad to play a game called football.

We can keep our ‘principled stance’ - while the smart ones keep the World Cup or even AFCON.
Nobody send.

Yorubas would say “Mr Honourable, o ku ‘fè̩” . :roll:
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Damunk wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:41 am
The YeyeMan wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 am
joao wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:03 pm We are a shameless lot for begging players to play for the SE.
After all these years and all the snobs, we still do not have the sense or pride to develop
our talents and mold them to fit our purpose. Instead we go begging for talents developed
by other nations, and worse still rubbish their commitment when our corrupt system aids the
teams' effort.

We need to stop this shameful begging of foreign players, and instead start letting
them apply to play for our teams, and then pick which ones fit our needs.
The problem, joao, is you consider inviting an eligible player born overseas to play for the Nigeria national team to be "begging".

The other problem is see you this as an "either/or" situation. For you, Nigeria should not approach players born overseas but should "develop its own talents". Any national football association will be invested in developing talent inside its borders AND scouting players from outside who are good enough to make the grade.

Do you think Spain "begged" Thiago to play for them? Portugal "begged" Pepe? Ivory Coast begged Zaha?

But who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe Pinnick's approach is to go on his hands and knees and beg players; but for most people it'll be a conversation. A conversation where one sells the benefits of playing for Nigeria. There is no begging.
Kpom.
Joao’s thinking is outdated and has no place in the modern game.
You go where the best eligible talent is available.

If France can field an African team and strut around for four years as World Champions no shaking, then Nigeria would be ten times foolish not to engage in a tug of war to grab its own eligible players, all because they were born and live abroad.
Nobody is going to clap for us for our ‘honourable’ and ‘principled’ stance of fielding only or mostly players developed in Nigeria.

I don’t see the USA, Canada, the UK or any European country apologising for aggressively hoovering up African talent to service their healthcare, engineering and IT sectors, or academia. Nigeria paid for my education. The UK is milking it, no apologies.
Meanwhile we are still here feeling guilty for going after genuine Nigerians born abroad to play a game called football.

We can keep our ‘principled stance’ - while the smart ones keep the World Cup or even AFCON.
Nobody send.

Yorubas would say “Mr Honourable, o ku ‘fè̩” . :roll:
Bros, what we are doing is very different from France - who developed those so called African players…but I agree this has to be a focus of ours, but not at the detriment of developing our local talent. We should be able to walk and chew gum lol
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Wouldn’t mind him on the left side of a 442 MF or as a wingback if he wants to play for us but it seems he’s more Italian.
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:36 pm Wouldn’t mind him on the left side of a 442 MF or as a wingback if he wants to play for us but it seems he’s more Italian.
He's rightly rated in Italy as one of their top prospects so we have a slim chance of getting him if any, I think we should go for Caleb Okoli...still rough around the edges but will come good as a decent CB.
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Tobi17 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:52 pm
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:36 pm Wouldn’t mind him on the left side of a 442 MF or as a wingback if he wants to play for us but it seems he’s more Italian.
He's rightly rated in Italy as one of their top prospects so we have a slim chance of getting him if any, I think we should go for Caleb Okoli...still rough around the edges but will come good as a decent CB.
Yup. Just watched some clips of him. Dude is a major major talent in that left side. I don't see us landing such a talent from the Italians. If they slip up and we get him. We don hammer be dat.
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maceo4 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:37 pm
Damunk wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:41 am
The YeyeMan wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 am
joao wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:03 pm We are a shameless lot for begging players to play for the SE.
After all these years and all the snobs, we still do not have the sense or pride to develop
our talents and mold them to fit our purpose. Instead we go begging for talents developed
by other nations, and worse still rubbish their commitment when our corrupt system aids the
teams' effort.

We need to stop this shameful begging of foreign players, and instead start letting
them apply to play for our teams, and then pick which ones fit our needs.
The problem, joao, is you consider inviting an eligible player born overseas to play for the Nigeria national team to be "begging".

The other problem is see you this as an "either/or" situation. For you, Nigeria should not approach players born overseas but should "develop its own talents". Any national football association will be invested in developing talent inside its borders AND scouting players from outside who are good enough to make the grade.

Do you think Spain "begged" Thiago to play for them? Portugal "begged" Pepe? Ivory Coast begged Zaha?

But who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe Pinnick's approach is to go on his hands and knees and beg players; but for most people it'll be a conversation. A conversation where one sells the benefits of playing for Nigeria. There is no begging.
Kpom.
Joao’s thinking is outdated and has no place in the modern game.
You go where the best eligible talent is available.

If France can field an African team and strut around for four years as World Champions no shaking, then Nigeria would be ten times foolish not to engage in a tug of war to grab its own eligible players, all because they were born and live abroad.
Nobody is going to clap for us for our ‘honourable’ and ‘principled’ stance of fielding only or mostly players developed in Nigeria.

I don’t see the USA, Canada, the UK or any European country apologising for aggressively hoovering up African talent to service their healthcare, engineering and IT sectors, or academia. Nigeria paid for my education. The UK is milking it, no apologies.
Meanwhile we are still here feeling guilty for going after genuine Nigerians born abroad to play a game called football.

We can keep our ‘principled stance’ - while the smart ones keep the World Cup or even AFCON.
Nobody send.

Yorubas would say “Mr Honourable, o ku ‘fè̩” . :roll:
Bros, what we are doing is very different from France - who developed those so called African players…but I agree this has to be a focus of ours, but not at the detriment of developing our local talent. We should be able to walk and chew gum lol
Exactly what we have been saying all along. Nobody is suggesting the local talent should be ignored.
But if the guy chewing gum get K-leg, should he now stop chewing gum?
Or if the gum turns sour, should he now stop walking? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That's what the local player advocates seem to be suggesting by labelling the FBs "useless" and "rejects".
They've said same about Saka, Tammy, Tomori, Adarabioyo and all those other Nigerians biding their time, weighing their options.
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Damunk wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:37 pm
Damunk wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:41 am
The YeyeMan wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 am
joao wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:03 pm We are a shameless lot for begging players to play for the SE.
After all these years and all the snobs, we still do not have the sense or pride to develop
our talents and mold them to fit our purpose. Instead we go begging for talents developed
by other nations, and worse still rubbish their commitment when our corrupt system aids the
teams' effort.

We need to stop this shameful begging of foreign players, and instead start letting
them apply to play for our teams, and then pick which ones fit our needs.
The problem, joao, is you consider inviting an eligible player born overseas to play for the Nigeria national team to be "begging".

The other problem is see you this as an "either/or" situation. For you, Nigeria should not approach players born overseas but should "develop its own talents". Any national football association will be invested in developing talent inside its borders AND scouting players from outside who are good enough to make the grade.

Do you think Spain "begged" Thiago to play for them? Portugal "begged" Pepe? Ivory Coast begged Zaha?

But who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe Pinnick's approach is to go on his hands and knees and beg players; but for most people it'll be a conversation. A conversation where one sells the benefits of playing for Nigeria. There is no begging.
Kpom.
Joao’s thinking is outdated and has no place in the modern game.
You go where the best eligible talent is available.

If France can field an African team and strut around for four years as World Champions no shaking, then Nigeria would be ten times foolish not to engage in a tug of war to grab its own eligible players, all because they were born and live abroad.
Nobody is going to clap for us for our ‘honourable’ and ‘principled’ stance of fielding only or mostly players developed in Nigeria.

I don’t see the USA, Canada, the UK or any European country apologising for aggressively hoovering up African talent to service their healthcare, engineering and IT sectors, or academia. Nigeria paid for my education. The UK is milking it, no apologies.
Meanwhile we are still here feeling guilty for going after genuine Nigerians born abroad to play a game called football.

We can keep our ‘principled stance’ - while the smart ones keep the World Cup or even AFCON.
Nobody send.

Yorubas would say “Mr Honourable, o ku ‘fè̩” . :roll:
Bros, what we are doing is very different from France - who developed those so called African players…but I agree this has to be a focus of ours, but not at the detriment of developing our local talent. We should be able to walk and chew gum lol
Exactly what we have been saying all along. Nobody is suggesting the local talent should be ignored.
But if the guy chewing gum get K-leg, should he now stop chewing gum?
Or if the gum turns sour, should he now stop walking? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That's what the local player advocates seem to be suggesting by labelling the FBs "useless" and "rejects".
They've said same about Saka, Tammy, Tomori, Adarabioyo and all those other Nigerians biding their time, weighing their options.
Foolish pride.
Foolish pride indeed, we definitely need them esp if they can give us something better than the ones we developed. But if they are equally as useful I would give preferential treatment to the ones we developed. It’s just finding that right blend that seems to be tough.
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:52 pm Foolish pride indeed, we definitely need them esp if they can give us something better than the ones we developed. But if they are equally as useful I would give preferential treatment to the ones we developed. It’s just finding that right blend that seems to be tough.
Exactly. No argument there.
We are looking at players also coveted by other top nations, not just anybody, which says a lot.

People forget that there are hundreds of foreign-born, Nigeria-eligible players on show around Europe but they are not getting any calls becos they are not good enough.
We’ve seen some of them even lobbying sef - players like Akpom and Iorfa.
Others like Tella and Adarabioyo have to convince they are better than what we already have.

Ozonwafor for instance would be a shoo-in before Adarabioyo if they were performing at the same level but so far Ozone doesn’t seem to be doing anything special even in a lower ranked league.
Ndah on the other hand is creating headlines so he is moving up.
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People better start getting used to more Nigerians in the diaspora playing for our national teams.

And this is no excuse to not develop the game back home - players, coaches and as a business.

Back to my original point, Nigerian men have been all over the globe... :lol:

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The YeyeMan wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:10 am People better start getting used to more Nigerians in the diaspora playing for our national teams.

And this is no excuse to not develop the game back home - players, coaches and as a business.

Back to my original point, Nigerian men have been all over the globe... :lol:

At this point, we will soon start seeing Naija kids born in Iraq, Faro Island and Afghanistan etc popping up soon :thumbs:

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