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gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
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Peseiro DID NOT pick Musa.

The list wad picked by the NFF, before he was even confirmed.

None of the foreign based players who the NFF picked that have previously played on the team were dropped.

It won't be until September that Peseiro picks a team from scratch.

The people still making excuses for Musa are a disgrace and enemies of Nigerian football.

The guy puts U into USELESS.

Lost a lot of respect for Owngoal. What utter nonsense.
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Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.

I guess you chose to ignore that Pinnick admitted on camera to forcing a clubless Musa on Rohr.

I didn't see you as one who ignores reality.
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Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm
gochino wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!

https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm

:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm

Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
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Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm

Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
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They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?

It is simple: either the vaunted objectivity of foreign managers failed or your analysis of Musa's value fails. You simply can't have both. Which one is more likely correct?
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Let's call a spade a spade and give this Musa thing a rest! There are powers that be that absolutely want Musa on the team as this is all about Federal character. Dude has served his country well but it is time for him to hang it up
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Until Peseiro continues to invite Musa on HIS OWN ACCORD, we cannot speculate as to him going along with NFF dictates.
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm

I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
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They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?
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fledy wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:38 pm Let's call a spade a spade and give this Musa thing a rest! There are powers that be that absolutely want Musa on the team as this is all about Federal character. Dude has served his country well but it is time for him to hang it up
It's not necessarily about "federal character" or else we would be seeing Alhassan Yusuf, and Sadiq would have been in the team much earlier.

Musa like Shehu have high level connections who IMPOSE them on the team.

We wait til September to see if Peseiro can circumvent this influence.
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Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm

But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
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They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?
Abi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
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They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?
Abi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...
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The importance should be clear. You should ask why are the managers not being blamed for 'imposing' Musa but it is deflected to Pinnick. Why is that?

If these Managers are trusted as being above board, why have they failed here?

Or perhaps we are wrong, maybe these Managers are above board and Musa still deserves a place based on their evaluation. Is that not a possibility? Maybe you and the fans (that includes me, btw) could be wrong.
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
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But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
Sunset

They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?
Abi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...
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The importance should be clear. You should ask why are the managers not being blamed for 'imposing' Musa but it is deflected to Pinnick. Why is that?

If these Managers are trusted as being above board, why have they failed here?

Or perhaps we are wrong, maybe these Managers are above board and Musa still deserves a place based on their evaluation. Is that not a possibility? Maybe you and the fans (that includes me, btw) could be wrong.
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maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Sunset wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...
Mace

But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coaches
Sunset

They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?
Abi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...
A lot of them are in-love with the idea of Musa and what he represents rather than the reality. This journo in particular is already a lost cause when it comes to SE players and there's a very obvious reason why he didn't put Moses Simon's (who I personally rate) name in it.
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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:06 pm
Damunk wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pm
maceo4 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Enugu II wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pm

:clap: Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...
Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…
Mace

But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
Exactly.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.

I guess you chose to ignore that Pinnick admitted on camera to forcing a clubless Musa on Rohr.

I didn't see you as one who ignores reality.
And that continues until now?
With a new manager?
I thought you said it was a 'northern' pressure group?
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Re: Still on Ahmed Musa's presence

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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:42 pm
fledy wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:38 pm Let's call a spade a spade and give this Musa thing a rest! There are powers that be that absolutely want Musa on the team as this is all about Federal character. Dude has served his country well but it is time for him to hang it up
It's not necessarily about "federal character" or else we would be seeing Alhassan Yusuf, and Sadiq would have been in the team much earlier.

Musa like Shehu have high level connections who IMPOSE them on the team.

We wait til September to see if Peseiro can circumvent this influence.
Ahhhhh....you are now changing tack.
It used to be about 'northerners'.
Now you have adjusted your position and it is solely about Musa.

PS. I don't think he should be on the team either, but Im not ready to make a quantum leap and argue that he is still being forced on the team against the will of the managers.

Pinnick admitted to insisting Musa went to the WC in 2018 when he wasn't listed in the squad.
Now, every time the guy gets picked, it's either Pinnick's fault or 'the northerners'.

No consideration given to the possibility that the coaches actually want him.
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