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gochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
Alternative take on the situation. Let the debate begin...Clear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
Macemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
Exactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Of course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:32 pmClear lies, saying Musa came in against Ghana and showed passion that Dennis was lacking, like really, he came in and literally did nothing but lose the ball. Can’t take such a report seriously…Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:45 pmgochino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:47 am A Very biased point of view!
https://www.owngoalnigeria.com/2022/06/ ... r-shut-up/
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Macemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pmOf course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMace
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
Oga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pmOf course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
SunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pmOf course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
As I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pmSunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pmOf course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pm
I’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
It's not necessarily about "federal character" or else we would be seeing Alhassan Yusuf, and Sadiq would have been in the team much earlier.
Abi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...Sunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pmAs I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pmSunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMacemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:13 pmOf course, lets just sweep under the rug that Pinnick himself said he forced Musa on the last coach...Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pm
But Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
Sunsetmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pmAbi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...Sunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pmAs I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pmSunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMace
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
Sunsetmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pmAbi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...Sunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pmAs I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pmSunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMace
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
A lot of them are in-love with the idea of Musa and what he represents rather than the reality. This journo in particular is already a lost cause when it comes to SE players and there's a very obvious reason why he didn't put Moses Simon's (who I personally rate) name in it.maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:48 pmAbi, I don't get what the deflection is about, simple question, based on what we've seen from Musa in the last 3+ years at both club and country, does he deserve a place in the team? And the obvious answer is no...then ok we can now speculate on why he's still being selected. But this disingenuous story from owngoal is trying to spin it to look like he actually deserves a spot...which is pure garbage...Sunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:40 pmAs I said I could care less about the nationality of our coach and the debate itself as its an obvious waste of time, and seems more like you're deflecting. The discussion here is wrt Ahmed Musa's case where our NFF president admitted to forcing him on our coach. Are you going to pretend like that never happened?Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:32 pmSunsetSunset wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:27 pmOga stay on topic, this is not a Foreign vs local debate its the simple fact that our NFF president has admitted on TV to forcing Musa on one of our coachesEnugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pmMace
But I thought the foreign managers cannot be influenced in that manner? Why is Musa's case different? Have the foreign managers only been influenced in the case of Nusa? If so, why have they? Why is Musa' case such that foreign managers have been influenced?
They are all CONNECTED. If we are to believe that foreign managers cannot be influenced, why is this case different? That is the question. Is there something unique here? Why has the objectivity of foreign managers failed here?
And that continues until now?vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:06 pmDamunk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:59 pmExactly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:52 pmBut Mace, Ahmed is not inviting himself, is he? Why did Rohr and now Peseiro invite him? If those where local managers, it will be easy for us to point to egunje or regional balancing or other suspicious reasons. But he has been invited by supposedly foreign European managers that we believe are epitome of objectivity. Not so?maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:33 pmI’m sorry prof, it’s all BS, he is taking the place of a potential game changer like an Ejuke, he shows zero leadership qualities to justify having a Keshi like spot on the team. He shows his selfishness by going back on his retirement proclamation and lying that he never said what he’s on tape saying. There simply is no reason to have him there as his so called ‘experience’ has not counted for anything in all the games he has been brought on to help salvage, they have all pretty much ended as soon as he stepped on the field. There is no case for having him on the team period.Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:00 pmMace
But is there any credence to other aspects of the piece? Bear in mind, that the claims on the other side is not entirely accurate as well.
The more obvious reason is that they both believe he has a role in the team
But people prefer the grand conspiracy theory that ‘northern powers that be’ are calling the shots.
I guess you chose to ignore that Pinnick admitted on camera to forcing a clubless Musa on Rohr.
I didn't see you as one who ignores reality.
Ahhhhh....you are now changing tack.vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:42 pmIt's not necessarily about "federal character" or else we would be seeing Alhassan Yusuf, and Sadiq would have been in the team much earlier.
Musa like Shehu have high level connections who IMPOSE them on the team.
We wait til September to see if Peseiro can circumvent this influence.