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Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Sunset wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:14 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:50 pm I believe most of the discussants here may not be aware of the reason why this strategy may have come about. First how many here realize that the league in question does not include the 22 at NPFL level and 46 clubs at the next level? Essentially what is in question is the third tier league in NIGERIA!!! These are clubs that theoretically rank #69th or higher in Nigeria!!

At the moment, Nigeria has little access to its great youth talent. In fact, most of these youth players only become known to Nigerian authorities when they leave the country. The reason is that there is largely an absence of significant youth competition in Nigeria. Right now youth talent is discovered and mined via trials organized by scouts working for foreign clubs in Nigeria. NPFL and other pro clubs pay little attention to this talent pool and the players do not want to go to NPFL or other pro clubs because their ultimate target is Europe. If you go to NPFL or to another Nigerian pro club, European clubs will view the player as a non-uouth who must be able to make the first team in Europe or forget it. But if the player comes from an academy he is given ample opportunity to develop. You can see why Nigerian players will prefer the latter rather than the former route.

What this proposal is designed to do is present opportunities for Nigerian authorities to easily access Nigerian youth players for the national teams. They tried NPFL youth competitions at u15 and u17 and clubs have shown little interest and basically have quickly reached agreement with academies to present temporary teams at these competitions on ad hoc basis. This new plan will stop that ad hocism. It will create a true youth structure for Nigeria that does not currently exist. The current youth exposure to football is designed to serve scouts of European clubs but this designed to may them easily accessible to Nigerian national teams beyond the solitary NFF u15 and u17 development structure that Lulu developed tears ago.

Now will this stop late developers like examples put forward by some CE? NO. Take the Izevbigie example. Here is the thing, the answer is nope. The plan has not stated that youths will be banned from NPFL or other pro clubs as far as I know. Izevbigie was playing already for Bendel insurance (Benin Vipers) as a student and late developer. It didn't stop him as late developer. If a player wants to do so now, it can be done. However, if Izevbigie was born today he would not have most likely played in Nigeria because it makes no sense with today's structure. He would go from school to some club academy in Europe. That is the difference. Why waste time today at an NPFL or pro club? It will do little getting you to the top in Europe. Best route to Europe is not and has not been for long via NPFL or a Nigerian pro club.

But if we are concerned about late developers who cannot make a squad of 30 players in each of a 22- team NPFL and the 46 other pro clubs at the next level, then perhaps the player may go to the amateur leagues first and be recruited to NPFL or other pro clubs from there if they develop or pro clubs can develop reserve teams as well. Right now NPFL clubs and the other pro clubs reserve roster spaces for political players to earn wages. They can use some of those spaces as well.

The real concern should not come from those who mean well for Nigerian football. They most likely will come now or in the future from those feeding fat via mushroom one room academies all over the country because their bread line faces significan threat. This a market economy shake out, at least to an extent.

To be clear, what I thought should be a significant concern has not even be addressed. If it is restricted only to youth, how would this affect the promotion rule. If a club goes to a higher league that has adult players what happens? That is a significant issue not addressed at all here. Will these leagues use the USA system that abhors promotion/relegation? To be clear, I understand that automatic promotion does not currently exist because of other and additional NFF requirements to play at the top levels. The question is what gives because this adds another complication.
EII you've missed the biggest problem with this idea which is that it will further harm the overall quality of the domestic scene in the long run by closing the doors on a significant amount of its talent pool at "that level". As the lower leagues are as important as the top leagues in the grand scheme of things especially with the amount of active footballers we have. The most logical way to go about it is to simply introduce a youth league (U16/17/18/19) for these teams where it will be clear who the special talents are and would make the step up to playing senior ball. Even these "youth" players they think they're helping will be the most negatively affected by this
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This is actually the youth league that you are talking about!!! For years that have attempted to introduce one using the NPFL clubs but as I noted the NPFL clubs have not considered it important. And note that there are over 60+ professional adult clubs unaffected by this proposal.

This, ultimately, is a roundabout away of regulating youth football in Nigeria that many have called for over several decades. The current system is simply too chaotic, allowing fly by night actors to dominate the scene.
Nope far from it, this is the NLO (3rd & 4th division leagues of Nigerian senior club football) trying to limit its senior football division to a youth one which goes against its very framework. This is very different to having a youth league that falls hand in hand with the senior one, sacrificing one for the other is a far bigger issue. In the current NLO we have at least 6 NPFL feeder clubs competing with other top academies as well as senior teams across the country which is a far better test of their abilities than simply playing with their peers. And this is where a good number of our current U20 NT members play in.

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And yes there are 60+ adult clubs unaffected by this proposal but there are far more affected by it such as newly founded clubs, it needs to be consistent across the board. Playing young footballers is something that should be encouraged but not dictated, at that point players are only picked due to their age and not their ability.
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Sunset wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:29 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Sunset wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:14 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:50 pm I believe most of the discussants here may not be aware of the reason why this strategy may have come about. First how many here realize that the league in question does not include the 22 at NPFL level and 46 clubs at the next level? Essentially what is in question is the third tier league in NIGERIA!!! These are clubs that theoretically rank #69th or higher in Nigeria!!

At the moment, Nigeria has little access to its great youth talent. In fact, most of these youth players only become known to Nigerian authorities when they leave the country. The reason is that there is largely an absence of significant youth competition in Nigeria. Right now youth talent is discovered and mined via trials organized by scouts working for foreign clubs in Nigeria. NPFL and other pro clubs pay little attention to this talent pool and the players do not want to go to NPFL or other pro clubs because their ultimate target is Europe. If you go to NPFL or to another Nigerian pro club, European clubs will view the player as a non-uouth who must be able to make the first team in Europe or forget it. But if the player comes from an academy he is given ample opportunity to develop. You can see why Nigerian players will prefer the latter rather than the former route.

What this proposal is designed to do is present opportunities for Nigerian authorities to easily access Nigerian youth players for the national teams. They tried NPFL youth competitions at u15 and u17 and clubs have shown little interest and basically have quickly reached agreement with academies to present temporary teams at these competitions on ad hoc basis. This new plan will stop that ad hocism. It will create a true youth structure for Nigeria that does not currently exist. The current youth exposure to football is designed to serve scouts of European clubs but this designed to may them easily accessible to Nigerian national teams beyond the solitary NFF u15 and u17 development structure that Lulu developed tears ago.

Now will this stop late developers like examples put forward by some CE? NO. Take the Izevbigie example. Here is the thing, the answer is nope. The plan has not stated that youths will be banned from NPFL or other pro clubs as far as I know. Izevbigie was playing already for Bendel insurance (Benin Vipers) as a student and late developer. It didn't stop him as late developer. If a player wants to do so now, it can be done. However, if Izevbigie was born today he would not have most likely played in Nigeria because it makes no sense with today's structure. He would go from school to some club academy in Europe. That is the difference. Why waste time today at an NPFL or pro club? It will do little getting you to the top in Europe. Best route to Europe is not and has not been for long via NPFL or a Nigerian pro club.

But if we are concerned about late developers who cannot make a squad of 30 players in each of a 22- team NPFL and the 46 other pro clubs at the next level, then perhaps the player may go to the amateur leagues first and be recruited to NPFL or other pro clubs from there if they develop or pro clubs can develop reserve teams as well. Right now NPFL clubs and the other pro clubs reserve roster spaces for political players to earn wages. They can use some of those spaces as well.

The real concern should not come from those who mean well for Nigerian football. They most likely will come now or in the future from those feeding fat via mushroom one room academies all over the country because their bread line faces significan threat. This a market economy shake out, at least to an extent.

To be clear, what I thought should be a significant concern has not even be addressed. If it is restricted only to youth, how would this affect the promotion rule. If a club goes to a higher league that has adult players what happens? That is a significant issue not addressed at all here. Will these leagues use the USA system that abhors promotion/relegation? To be clear, I understand that automatic promotion does not currently exist because of other and additional NFF requirements to play at the top levels. The question is what gives because this adds another complication.
EII you've missed the biggest problem with this idea which is that it will further harm the overall quality of the domestic scene in the long run by closing the doors on a significant amount of its talent pool at "that level". As the lower leagues are as important as the top leagues in the grand scheme of things especially with the amount of active footballers we have. The most logical way to go about it is to simply introduce a youth league (U16/17/18/19) for these teams where it will be clear who the special talents are and would make the step up to playing senior ball. Even these "youth" players they think they're helping will be the most negatively affected by this
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This is actually the youth league that you are talking about!!! For years that have attempted to introduce one using the NPFL clubs but as I noted the NPFL clubs have not considered it important. And note that there are over 60+ professional adult clubs unaffected by this proposal.

This, ultimately, is a roundabout away of regulating youth football in Nigeria that many have called for over several decades. The current system is simply too chaotic, allowing fly by night actors to dominate the scene.
Nope far from it, this is the NLO (3rd & 4th division leagues of Nigerian senior club football) trying to limit its senior football division to a youth one which goes against its very framework. This is very different to having a youth league that falls hand in hand with the senior one, sacrificing one for the other is a far bigger issue. In the current NLO we have at least 6 NPFL feeder clubs competing with other top academies as well as senior teams across the country which is a far better test of their abilities than simply playing with their peers. And this is where a good number of our current U20 NT members play in.

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And yes there are 60+ adult clubs unaffected by this proposal but there are far more affected by it such as newly founded clubs, it needs to be consistent across the board. Playing young footballers is something that should be encouraged but not dictated, at that point players are only picked due to their age and not their ability.
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What you miss is that attempts to grow regular competition among academies have not worked. The league clubs are uninterested and thus this. This is a way of forcing the issue. BTW, not only do you have the sixty + odd clubs involved in senior football that are unaffected nationally, you also have numerous others playing in open league basis at state levels. In essence, this in no way, impedes senior players from competition.
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Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:26 pm
Sunset wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:29 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Sunset wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:14 pm
Enugu II wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:50 pm I believe most of the discussants here may not be aware of the reason why this strategy may have come about. First how many here realize that the league in question does not include the 22 at NPFL level and 46 clubs at the next level? Essentially what is in question is the third tier league in NIGERIA!!! These are clubs that theoretically rank #69th or higher in Nigeria!!

At the moment, Nigeria has little access to its great youth talent. In fact, most of these youth players only become known to Nigerian authorities when they leave the country. The reason is that there is largely an absence of significant youth competition in Nigeria. Right now youth talent is discovered and mined via trials organized by scouts working for foreign clubs in Nigeria. NPFL and other pro clubs pay little attention to this talent pool and the players do not want to go to NPFL or other pro clubs because their ultimate target is Europe. If you go to NPFL or to another Nigerian pro club, European clubs will view the player as a non-uouth who must be able to make the first team in Europe or forget it. But if the player comes from an academy he is given ample opportunity to develop. You can see why Nigerian players will prefer the latter rather than the former route.

What this proposal is designed to do is present opportunities for Nigerian authorities to easily access Nigerian youth players for the national teams. They tried NPFL youth competitions at u15 and u17 and clubs have shown little interest and basically have quickly reached agreement with academies to present temporary teams at these competitions on ad hoc basis. This new plan will stop that ad hocism. It will create a true youth structure for Nigeria that does not currently exist. The current youth exposure to football is designed to serve scouts of European clubs but this designed to may them easily accessible to Nigerian national teams beyond the solitary NFF u15 and u17 development structure that Lulu developed tears ago.

Now will this stop late developers like examples put forward by some CE? NO. Take the Izevbigie example. Here is the thing, the answer is nope. The plan has not stated that youths will be banned from NPFL or other pro clubs as far as I know. Izevbigie was playing already for Bendel insurance (Benin Vipers) as a student and late developer. It didn't stop him as late developer. If a player wants to do so now, it can be done. However, if Izevbigie was born today he would not have most likely played in Nigeria because it makes no sense with today's structure. He would go from school to some club academy in Europe. That is the difference. Why waste time today at an NPFL or pro club? It will do little getting you to the top in Europe. Best route to Europe is not and has not been for long via NPFL or a Nigerian pro club.

But if we are concerned about late developers who cannot make a squad of 30 players in each of a 22- team NPFL and the 46 other pro clubs at the next level, then perhaps the player may go to the amateur leagues first and be recruited to NPFL or other pro clubs from there if they develop or pro clubs can develop reserve teams as well. Right now NPFL clubs and the other pro clubs reserve roster spaces for political players to earn wages. They can use some of those spaces as well.

The real concern should not come from those who mean well for Nigerian football. They most likely will come now or in the future from those feeding fat via mushroom one room academies all over the country because their bread line faces significan threat. This a market economy shake out, at least to an extent.

To be clear, what I thought should be a significant concern has not even be addressed. If it is restricted only to youth, how would this affect the promotion rule. If a club goes to a higher league that has adult players what happens? That is a significant issue not addressed at all here. Will these leagues use the USA system that abhors promotion/relegation? To be clear, I understand that automatic promotion does not currently exist because of other and additional NFF requirements to play at the top levels. The question is what gives because this adds another complication.
EII you've missed the biggest problem with this idea which is that it will further harm the overall quality of the domestic scene in the long run by closing the doors on a significant amount of its talent pool at "that level". As the lower leagues are as important as the top leagues in the grand scheme of things especially with the amount of active footballers we have. The most logical way to go about it is to simply introduce a youth league (U16/17/18/19) for these teams where it will be clear who the special talents are and would make the step up to playing senior ball. Even these "youth" players they think they're helping will be the most negatively affected by this
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This is actually the youth league that you are talking about!!! For years that have attempted to introduce one using the NPFL clubs but as I noted the NPFL clubs have not considered it important. And note that there are over 60+ professional adult clubs unaffected by this proposal.

This, ultimately, is a roundabout away of regulating youth football in Nigeria that many have called for over several decades. The current system is simply too chaotic, allowing fly by night actors to dominate the scene.
Nope far from it, this is the NLO (3rd & 4th division leagues of Nigerian senior club football) trying to limit its senior football division to a youth one which goes against its very framework. This is very different to having a youth league that falls hand in hand with the senior one, sacrificing one for the other is a far bigger issue. In the current NLO we have at least 6 NPFL feeder clubs competing with other top academies as well as senior teams across the country which is a far better test of their abilities than simply playing with their peers. And this is where a good number of our current U20 NT members play in.

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And yes there are 60+ adult clubs unaffected by this proposal but there are far more affected by it such as newly founded clubs, it needs to be consistent across the board. Playing young footballers is something that should be encouraged but not dictated, at that point players are only picked due to their age and not their ability.
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What you miss is that attempts to grow regular competition among academies have not worked. The league clubs are uninterested and thus this. This is a way of forcing the issue. BTW, not only do you have the sixty + odd clubs involved in senior football that are unaffected nationally, you also have numerous others playing in open league basis at state levels. In essence, this in no way, impedes senior players from competition.
Competition among academies much like this very same attempt will never work in the long run as it isn't long term focused which is the whole point of having a Football Club institution (With their academy being a part of this) where there is a clear path of progression to the senior level and beyond. This idea stops after the age of 19 which not feasible in the least if we're talking about the development of a footballer which is what makes this a bad idea and far worse than what its is right now.
The NLO is part of the Pyramid of senior league football in the country. And the whole factor that is "supposed" to differentiate these divisions is the level of the teams that participate in them, not age.

The only thing this achieves is shutting the door on the 20+ year old footballers from the NLO that might not be at the level of the NNL or NPFL "yet" but now have to go to even lower levels of our football pyramid to play organized football. And at that point we'll have 6th division clubs with better players than the 3rd and 4th. There is no need to have 2 divisions of league football be age-based when all you have to do is have a seperate youth league which is the whole point of that level. This is akin to having a particular university class limited to U19's
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:35 pm Terrible idea. You would be forcing professional clubs to build their businesses solely around youth players. What do you do with the over-19s who don’t make a division 1 squad? What happens when a youth player becomes older than 19?… and what’s wrong with creating a youth league like they do in other countries that have been successful at youth level?… and you wonder why football is in rapid decline in Nigeria when the football authorities keep coming up with these kinds of unhelpful ideas🤔❗️


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The problem with the Nigerian league as a whole is that it’s clubs are mainly run by elected/selected governors who inherited the local football club and teams can even pay to avoid relegation.If these clubs where supposed to be run like businesses it surely is a bad business plan as players don’t even get payed on time and the stadiums aren’t even football specific if they are ever full.
Maybe the second division should remain as it is but the lower division(s) should cater for younger players as at present the only business that Nigerian football has is in selling players abroad.
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I LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING - GIVING YOUTHS OPPORTUNITIES - BUT...


...before being finally implemented, it should subject to review and inputs from stakeholders to reveal blind spots and bring about better ideas for (Proverbs 15:22): "Without counsel, plans go awry, But in the multitude of counselors they are established."

The age issue can easily be dealt with even if there are no authentic birth certificates. Each applicant should be asked to state what period he was in school and / or to provide up to names of five classmates.

As for the anecdotes about late bloomers, no system is perfect and this plan wouldn't because a few late bloomers were missed. As eii has stated, there are 69 other clubs out there for them to reveal their previously latent skills.

BTW, what plans are being made for the females? As we've found out lately in the WAFCON & the women's Euro, the rest of the world are moving on at a rapid pace.
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Meanwhile Remo Stars aren't looking for freebies from the FA and are doing all the talking on the pitch as their U19's topped their group in the NLO and are amongst the teams to make the playoffs for a spot in the NNL next season

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How about some form of quota system?
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NLO Youth League: Birth Certificate, NIN, Among Conditions For Players Registration
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By Samson Emmanuel - January 11, 2023

The Nigeria Nationwide League, NLO One Secretariat having merged Division 2 and Division 3 to create the Youth League as contained in the five years master plans approved by Nigeria Football Federation, has listed conditions for players’ registration for the 2023 season.

According to the media department of the nation’s third-tier league, the NLO Secretariat will judiciously adhere to the registration procedures/guidelines aside from the regular procedures.

Having set an age limit of between 16-19, and as a way to checkmate age cheating, the NLO insists that all players to be registered for the Youth League must submit their Birth Certificates, Primary School Leaving Certificates and National Identification Number (NIN).

Prospective players must be registered on NLO’s database (www.nigerianationwideleague.com).

A payment of Two Hundred Thousand Naira registration fee must be paid to the Nationwide League One (FCMB Bank Account – 3267800014), to enable clubs to obtain a registration code for access to the database.

All clubs in the division must present their Certificate Of Incorporation as a football club, while any not on FIFA Connect will not be registered.

The NLO Secretariat also gave a firm warning that no club will be registered without payment of registration fees, as the window for payment closes on Monday 6th March 2023.

Furthermore, the Two Hundred Thousand Naira (200,000) registration fee for Division 2 (now Youth League), covers pre-competition medical assessment, comprehensive insurance cover for players and officials, tamper-proof hologram security seal and other materials (35 players and 7 officials).
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Why don’t they just start an U19 league?
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Has the NFF succeeded at implementing anything?
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I just watch those Beyond the limits matches.

They play modern soccer, the exact same style Arteta's Arsenal plays.
- passing out from the back between the CDs,
- bring one midfielder down to receive the ball from the CD,
- the midfielder then passes it wide,
- who then combines with the midfielder and fullback on that side to overload the area
- then switch it to the other side through the center, to an open wide forward on the other side
- goal chance.

I compare it the usual hoof and chase, I see many other youth teams play. just wow. Can we get their coach to coach our U-17
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Another well-run side Vandrezzer (NNL) have their youth team also competing in the league. If we're talking production quality they're #1 in the country IMO. Just need to improve on the football aspect of things

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Eaglezbeak wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 6:43 am Why don’t they just start an U19 league?
GBAM!!

That's what is really missing in our domestic scene, the organization at the U15/17/19/21 levels, what we have right now is too scattered that it hurts the overall quality of competition
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Sunset wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 4:10 pm Another well-run side Vandrezzer (NNL) have their youth team also competing in the league. If we're talking production quality they're #1 in the country IMO. Just need to improve on the football aspect of things

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Sunset wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 4:10 pm Another well-run side Vandrezzer (NNL) have their youth team also competing in the league. If we're talking production quality they're #1 in the country IMO. Just need to improve on the football aspect of things

Who is the commentator?
I’ve got a sneaky feeling it’s one self-taught young man discovered on insta or TikTok a couple of years ago that could do a perfect impersonation of Spanish and English Champions League commentators. Sounds like him.
If so, great. He was barely 18 at the time. :thumb:
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Remo Stars U19 with a big away victory
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Sunset,

I thought there was a kid about the same age who played for MFM in the higher tier a few years ago? Not so.

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Enugu II wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:33 pm Sunset,

I thought there was a kid about the same age who played for MFM in the higher tier a few years ago? Not so.

Sunset wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 12:04 am
Abayomi Lawal?




I recall he was 16/17 when he made his NPFL debut
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Re: Nigerian Lower Leagues To Limit Access to ONLY YOUTHS.....

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Seems they have been successful in turning it to an U19 league



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