OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
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Awaziem was not in the lineup for his cubs match on Saturday. He has been a 90 mins player for his team since the start of the season but was not even on the bench on Saturday. I hope it's not injury related.
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He's serving a one match suspension for accumulated yellow cards.
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The biggest minus is Awoniyi who had not done anything prior to the list being made to warrant an invite to the the team. We shouldn't call out people and turn a blind eye to the obvious. Invitation should be based on merit, not likeability.
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You mean why are your prayers never answered?vancity eagle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:10 pm Knowing Dennis, he may be moody that he wasn't called up in the first place.
Onyekuru has done OK, but we have much better options, to me he is a guy you call after a few injuries to your main guys.
Why does old man Musa never get injured sef ?
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I think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
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So is Dennis really injured, or did he decline to be the backup after originally missing out Ala Akpoguma. I speculated earlier he may do this knowing ghis character, I hope I am wrong.
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SIGNED.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Kpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Well can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
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In theory with a 23 man squad, that is 2 staring eleven plus an extra keeper.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 amWell can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
If we are playing a 442 you would want to have 2 for every position.
That would leave us with 4 midfielders per squad of 23. That's what we have and so it would seem right ?
But then we should also only have 4 central defenders, yet we have 6. We should also only have 4 wide players, yet again we have 6.
Any way you slice it, even if we are dead set on playing 442 with no room for tactical flexibility (which is quite stupid tbh) we are still overloading the team with central backs and wingers.
It's almost as if certain members of the team MUST BE CALLED irregardless of form or necessity, and these players all happen to be in the same positions, so our midfield suffers.
We know Musa is an extra winger they force on us.
Perhaps Omeruo, is one such player as well who overloads the defence, perhaps even leading to the dropping of Akpoguma last afcon.
Musas continued imposition on the team has already lead to the exclusion of Ejuke for key matches, and now the exclusion of Emmanuel Dennis, who is now throwing a tantrum and declined his auxiliary call up much the same way Akpoguma did.
The imposition of these junk players I would say is actually causing disharmony in the team.
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I have zero interest in the men's national team until I see a rational squad selection.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
VEvancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:56 pmIn theory with a 23 man squad, that is 2 staring eleven plus an extra keeper.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 amWell can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 amNah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
If we are playing a 442 you would want to have 2 for every position.
That would leave us with 4 midfielders per squad of 23. That's what we have and so it would seem right ?
But then we should also only have 4 central defenders, yet we have 6. We should also only have 4 wide players, yet again we have 6.
Any way you slice it, even if we are dead set on playing 442 with no room for tactical flexibility (which is quite stupid tbh) we are still overloading the team with central backs and wingers.
It's almost as if certain members of the team MUST BE CALLED irregardless of form or necessity, and these players all happen to be in the same positions, so our midfield suffers.
We know Musa is an extra winger they force on us.
Perhaps Omeruo, is one such player as well who overloads the defence, perhaps even leading to the dropping of Akpoguma last afcon.
Musas continued imposition on the team has already lead to the exclusion of Ejuke for key matches, and now the exclusion of Emmanuel Dennis, who is now throwing a tantrum and declined his auxiliary call up much the same way Akpoguma did.
The imposition of these junk players I would say is actually causing disharmony in the team.
The problem with your analysis is its rigidity and flawed conception that these footballers are unable to play several positions. Fortunately, managers are not thinking in such rigidity. Managers understand the talent that they have and some work extensively to develop variability in the talents at their disposal. This is one area in which Gernot Rohr excelled. Rohr developed players like Shehu who can play comfortably in both defensive and midfield positions. There are other examples including Musa who could strike and play wide, Iwobi who could play as a wide and central midfielder, etc.
I understand the attempt to see things in simple terms but doing so leads to misinformation. The coaches understand the complexity and their selection reflects that. This calls for the lead like you and others to decipher that complexity.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:50 pmVEvancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:56 pmIn theory with a 23 man squad, that is 2 staring eleven plus an extra keeper.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 amWell can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pmThis is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:20 am
Nah, it can't just be simple as mere coincidence that all these coaches from Rohr to Peseiro all seem to stick to a regimental type of routine when it comes to team selection, it's always the same pattern of unnecessarily overloading the defence and attack and leaving the midfield thin-bare...it's either NFF just happen to be hiring dinosaurs, or someone or persons in the NFF are behind these team selections to accommodate certain players...but in due time we shall know the truth.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
If we are playing a 442 you would want to have 2 for every position.
That would leave us with 4 midfielders per squad of 23. That's what we have and so it would seem right ?
But then we should also only have 4 central defenders, yet we have 6. We should also only have 4 wide players, yet again we have 6.
Any way you slice it, even if we are dead set on playing 442 with no room for tactical flexibility (which is quite stupid tbh) we are still overloading the team with central backs and wingers.
It's almost as if certain members of the team MUST BE CALLED irregardless of form or necessity, and these players all happen to be in the same positions, so our midfield suffers.
We know Musa is an extra winger they force on us.
Perhaps Omeruo, is one such player as well who overloads the defence, perhaps even leading to the dropping of Akpoguma last afcon.
Musas continued imposition on the team has already lead to the exclusion of Ejuke for key matches, and now the exclusion of Emmanuel Dennis, who is now throwing a tantrum and declined his auxiliary call up much the same way Akpoguma did.
The imposition of these junk players I would say is actually causing disharmony in the team.
The problem with your analysis is its rigidity and flawed conception that these footballers are unable to play several positions. Fortunately, managers are not thinking in such rigidity. Managers understand the talent that they have and some work extensively to develop variability in the talents at their disposal. This is one area in which Gernot Rohr excelled. Rohr developed players like Shehu who can play comfortably in both defensive and midfield positions. There are other examples including Musa who could strike and play wide, Iwobi who could play as a wide and central midfielder, etc.
I understand the attempt to see things in simple terms but doing so leads to misinformation. The coaches understand the complexity and their selection reflects that. This calls for the lead like you and others to decipher that complexity.
Stripped of the sophistry, this is a banal list at best. Its neither a proper reflection of current player trends/form nor does it focus on driving internal competition, without which a team is dead.
And I mean Dead!
Its the same endless trotting out of player lists, each less inspiring than the previous, except for maybe one player, its the same Nigerian dross...
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Can you give us your list…txj wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:44 pmEnugu II wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:50 pmVEvancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:56 pmIn theory with a 23 man squad, that is 2 staring eleven plus an extra keeper.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 amWell can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pm This is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
If we are playing a 442 you would want to have 2 for every position.
That would leave us with 4 midfielders per squad of 23. That's what we have and so it would seem right ?
But then we should also only have 4 central defenders, yet we have 6. We should also only have 4 wide players, yet again we have 6.
Any way you slice it, even if we are dead set on playing 442 with no room for tactical flexibility (which is quite stupid tbh) we are still overloading the team with central backs and wingers.
It's almost as if certain members of the team MUST BE CALLED irregardless of form or necessity, and these players all happen to be in the same positions, so our midfield suffers.
We know Musa is an extra winger they force on us.
Perhaps Omeruo, is one such player as well who overloads the defence, perhaps even leading to the dropping of Akpoguma last afcon.
Musas continued imposition on the team has already lead to the exclusion of Ejuke for key matches, and now the exclusion of Emmanuel Dennis, who is now throwing a tantrum and declined his auxiliary call up much the same way Akpoguma did.
The imposition of these junk players I would say is actually causing disharmony in the team.
The problem with your analysis is its rigidity and flawed conception that these footballers are unable to play several positions. Fortunately, managers are not thinking in such rigidity. Managers understand the talent that they have and some work extensively to develop variability in the talents at their disposal. This is one area in which Gernot Rohr excelled. Rohr developed players like Shehu who can play comfortably in both defensive and midfield positions. There are other examples including Musa who could strike and play wide, Iwobi who could play as a wide and central midfielder, etc.
I understand the attempt to see things in simple terms but doing so leads to misinformation. The coaches understand the complexity and their selection reflects that. This calls for the lead like you and others to decipher that complexity.
Stripped of the sophistry, this is a banal list at best. Its neither a proper reflection of current player trends/form nor does it focus on driving internal competition, without which a team is dead.
And I mean Dead!
Its the same endless trotting out of player lists, each less inspiring than the previous, except for maybe one player, its the same Nigerian dross...
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
So of the 23 named players, which of them would you have replaced with potentially ‘better’ players?txj wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:44 pmStripped of the sophistry, this is a banal list at best. Its neither a proper reflection of current player trends/form nor does it focus on driving internal competition, without which a team is dead.Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:50 pmVEvancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:56 pmIn theory with a 23 man squad, that is 2 staring eleven plus an extra keeper.Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 amWell can you blame the fans for thinking (and rightfully so) that a conventional definition of midfield roles include the DM, CM and CAM positions? we can try to get all technical about this as much as we want, but there's a reason we seem to be among the very few if not the only national teams that tend to classify wide forwards as part of the midfield...thus the baffling tendency of having paper-thin midfield compared to 90% of other national teams...or maybe Nigeria just has its own unique style of football that just avoids central midfield as a whole.Damunk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 amKpom. Enugu II has made this point countless times.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pmI think the real issue is the perception that the squads contain too few midfielders. The definition of midfielder varies from coaches to fans. Most coaches consider wide forwards and wingers to be midfielders while fans usually limit their vision of midfielders to central, defensive and attacking midfielders. Thus, even though we tend to think of the likes of Simon, Lookman and Ejuke as forwards, the coaches may see them as part of the midfieldDamunk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:09 pm This is a good demonstration of confirmation bias.
What you are saying is that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for three national coaches within a period of 14 months to pick roughly identical squads, but it is MORE LIKELY that the three coaches are being dictated to by the NFF.
All this because two or three players per squad are deemed by fans not to be worthy.
You have now convinced yourselves that the NFF is controlling the choice of THREE coaches.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
So basically, as long as the coach does not put out a list that is universally approved (which is impossible), it means they are not the ones deciding the call-ups - whatever claims they might make tote contrary.
Hmmm.
Cheers.
Again, it’s fans throwing big tantrums and buying big conspiracy theories because they are very angry with someone, or something.
Pinnick.
Musa.
Rohr.
Shehu.
The NFF.
DNQ.
If we are playing a 442 you would want to have 2 for every position.
That would leave us with 4 midfielders per squad of 23. That's what we have and so it would seem right ?
But then we should also only have 4 central defenders, yet we have 6. We should also only have 4 wide players, yet again we have 6.
Any way you slice it, even if we are dead set on playing 442 with no room for tactical flexibility (which is quite stupid tbh) we are still overloading the team with central backs and wingers.
It's almost as if certain members of the team MUST BE CALLED irregardless of form or necessity, and these players all happen to be in the same positions, so our midfield suffers.
We know Musa is an extra winger they force on us.
Perhaps Omeruo, is one such player as well who overloads the defence, perhaps even leading to the dropping of Akpoguma last afcon.
Musas continued imposition on the team has already lead to the exclusion of Ejuke for key matches, and now the exclusion of Emmanuel Dennis, who is now throwing a tantrum and declined his auxiliary call up much the same way Akpoguma did.
The imposition of these junk players I would say is actually causing disharmony in the team.
The problem with your analysis is its rigidity and flawed conception that these footballers are unable to play several positions. Fortunately, managers are not thinking in such rigidity. Managers understand the talent that they have and some work extensively to develop variability in the talents at their disposal. This is one area in which Gernot Rohr excelled. Rohr developed players like Shehu who can play comfortably in both defensive and midfield positions. There are other examples including Musa who could strike and play wide, Iwobi who could play as a wide and central midfielder, etc.
I understand the attempt to see things in simple terms but doing so leads to misinformation. The coaches understand the complexity and their selection reflects that. This calls for the lead like you and others to decipher that complexity.
And I mean Dead!
Its the same endless trotting out of player lists, each less inspiring than the previous, except for maybe one player, its the same Nigerian dross...
Who would they be and how many would be needed to turn the current list of “dross” to a new, exciting, killer squad?
Unless of course you are simply saying we don’t have any significantly better players anyway, which means the squad would have been “dross” regardless of who was invited and this whole debate is therefore totally pointless.
It’s a view that many hold strongly and will say they have their reasons.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
My own list with all injuries and withdrawals considered...
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Thin in GK, defense, who the heck is Daga…so basically Yusuf, Nwakali, Okereke are who you are throwing a fit about?Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:23 am My own list with all injuries and withdrawals considered...
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Bros let me see your own list... I think the whole concept of a FRIENDLY and trying out new prospects is lost on you guys, please let me see your own impeccable list.maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:35 amThin in GK, defense, who the heck is Daga…so basically Yusuf, Nwakali, Okereke are who you are throwing a fit about?Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:23 am My own list with all injuries and withdrawals considered...
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
And if you indeed watched the recent youth WAFU U20 subregional tournament, the name Daniel Daga won't be unfamiliar to you.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Go watch your liverpool, leave us aloneThe YeyeMan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:43 pm I have zero interest in the men's national team until I see a rational squad selection.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Apart from the dude named after a jamo dance, who is new on your list…abeg make we hear wordTobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:40 amBros let me see your own list... I think the whole concept of a FRIENDLY and trying out new prospects is lost on you guys, please let me see your own impeccable list.maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:35 amThin in GK, defense, who the heck is Daga…so basically Yusuf, Nwakali, Okereke are who you are throwing a fit about?Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:23 am My own list with all injuries and withdrawals considered...
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
And if you indeed watched the recent youth WAFU U20 subregional tournament, the name Daniel Daga won't be unfamiliar to you.
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Re: OFFICIAL: NFF release team list for friendly games
Let's see your listmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:30 amApart from the dude named after a jamo dance, who is new on your list…abeg make we hear wordTobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:40 amBros let me see your own list... I think the whole concept of a FRIENDLY and trying out new prospects is lost on you guys, please let me see your own impeccable list.maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:35 amThin in GK, defense, who the heck is Daga…so basically Yusuf, Nwakali, Okereke are who you are throwing a fit about?Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:23 am My own list with all injuries and withdrawals considered...
GK: Uzoho, Adeleye, Remo stars GK (forgot his name).
CB/LB: Aina, Bassey, Akpoguma,, Sanusi, Olisa Ndah and Awaziem.
DM/CM: Ndidi, Iwobi, Alhassan Yusuf, Onyedika, Nwakali, and Daniel Daga (it's a friendly, give one of the youth players a freaking chance)
FWD/Wingers: Ejuke, Lookman, Moffi, Dessers, Okereke, Moses Simon/Olayinka.
Players on my standby:
Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Balogun, Maduka Okoye, Ishaq Abdulrazak, Bonke, and Victor Boniface
I'm not even a coach, yet my list will resonate with at least 98% of Nigerian fans with no arguments and frustrating feedbacks...see the balance in my whole squad, that's how list should look like.
And if you indeed watched the recent youth WAFU U20 subregional tournament, the name Daniel Daga won't be unfamiliar to you.