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vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:29 am He should be sacked effective immedietly. He has to take some blame for this utter disgrace. Does he have no shame ? What on earth is he working on with these guys in their training sessions. Utter disgrace. Sack him now.

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:37 am

vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:29 am He should be sacked effective immedietly. He has to take some blame for this utter disgrace. Does he have no shame ? What on earth is he working on with these guys in their training sessions. Utter disgrace. Sack him now.

We keep employing donkeys like Alloy Agu and Shorunmu as GK trainers,these guys are already outdated...the likes of Enyeama and Carl Ikeme should be training these guys.

olu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:54 pm Not sure all the blame should go to Ike or Alloy. However, it may be worthwhile rethinking how we train goalkeepers in Nigeria in general, and even considering a new goalkeeper trainer for the SE since that's an area where it seems like we have been lacking in quality lately.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:55 pm

olu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:54 pm Not sure all the blame should go to Ike or Alloy. However, it may be worthwhile rethinking how we train goalkeepers in Nigeria in general, and even considering a new goalkeeper trainer for the SE since that's an area where it seems like we have been lacking in quality lately.

Or how these goalies are trained by their foreign clubs? Not so? my bad. The few days of training in rhe national camp trumps hours and weeks of training with European clubs. One should guess.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:55 pm

olu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:54 pm Not sure all the blame should go to Ike or Alloy. However, it may be worthwhile rethinking how we train goalkeepers in Nigeria in general, and even considering a new goalkeeper trainer for the SE since that's an area where it seems like we have been lacking in quality lately.

Or how these goalies are trained by their foreign clubs? Not so? my bad. The few days of training in rhe national camp trumps hours and weeks of training with European clubs. One should guess.

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:37 am

vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:29 am He should be sacked effective immedietly. He has to take some blame for this utter disgrace. Does he have no shame ? What on earth is he working on with these guys in their training sessions. Utter disgrace. Sack him now.

We keep employing donkeys like Alloy Agu and Shorunmu as GK trainers,these guys are already outdated...the likes of Enyeama and Carl Ikeme should be training these guys.

eyan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:50 pm

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

But their job is to look for less calamitous keeper instead sticking to the same costly calamities since 2018.

1naija wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:13 pm What is job of the goalkeepers coach if it's not to instill discipline and confidence in the goalkeepers and teach them how to be successful in the National team? Is their role to stay there and collect perfumes and other junks as gifts from the players and tell them "you got this.... you have been trained by your club in Europe"?

Na so we de excuse incompetence!

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

1naija wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:32 pm I liked him as a player, but he should have been relieved of his duties by now. The goalkeepers are getting worse and worse under him.

vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:29 am He should be sacked effective immedietly. He has to take some blame for this utter disgrace. Does he have no shame ? What on earth is he working on with these guys in their training sessions. Utter disgrace. Sack him now.

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:18 pm But I didn’t refer to discipline and confidence. That was you introducing those two factors and I actually think you have a point.
My point was that catching balls and positioning your body should not be what national team goalkeepers should be coming to learn, becos that seems to be what the majority of our hysterical fans are suggesting Aloy and Ike should be teaching them.
That’s “kindergarten stuff” like you rightly said and they wouldn’t and shouldn’t be learning that even at professional club level.

Maybe it is a confidence issue, but nobody wants to tolerate that in keepers. Yet we know that below par performances in outfield players can be down to confidence issues. We’ve heard Nacho’s failings often put down to a low confidence level.
We’ve heard the same about Iwobi and back in the day, Kanu when he began underperforming.
But keepers? Their errors are so catastrophically costly their ratings drop to “useless” at the drop of a……ball.
Unfortunately.

1naija wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:13 pm What is job of the goalkeepers coach if it's not to instill discipline and confidence in the goalkeepers and teach them how to be successful in the National team? Is their role to stay there and collect perfumes and other junks as gifts from the players and tell them "you got this.... you have been trained by your club in Europe"?

Na so we de excuse incompetence!

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:18 pm But I didn’t refer to discipline and confidence. That was you introducing those two factors and I actually think you have a point.
My point was that catching balls and positioning your body should not be what national team goalkeepers should be coming to learn, becos that seems to be what the majority of our hysterical fans are suggesting Aloy and Ike should be teaching them.
That’s “kindergarten stuff” like you rightly said and they wouldn’t and shouldn’t be learning that even at professional club level.

Maybe it is a confidence issue, but nobody wants to tolerate that in keepers. Yet we know that below par performances in outfield players can be down to confidence issues. We’ve heard Nacho’s failings often put down to a low confidence level.
We’ve heard the same about Iwobi and back in the day, Kanu when he began underperforming.
But keepers? Their errors are so catastrophically costly their ratings drop to “useless” at the drop of a……ball.
Unfortunately.

1naija wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:13 pm What is job of the goalkeepers coach if it's not to instill discipline and confidence in the goalkeepers and teach them how to be successful in the National team? Is their role to stay there and collect perfumes and other junks as gifts from the players and tell them "you got this.... you have been trained by your club in Europe"?

Na so we de excuse incompetence!

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:29 pm

iworo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:24 pm Why do we always look for someone to blame when a player messed up badly? Does there always have to be someone else to blame apart from the culprit (player)? We should be focusing on the issue or the person, and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

I really wonder.
Seems commentators are just as clueless as the coaches they accuse of cluelessness.
Is it national team coaches that are expected to 'train' goalkeepers in the basics?
So what have the league club coaches been doing all this while at the local and foreign clubs?

Let me see....so it is Alloy Agu and Ike Shorunmu that will now teach Okoye and Uzoho how to correctly position their bodies; how to handle the ball safely; how to arrange their feet to kick out a football to their teammates, right?

Just what exactly are the national team coaches supposed to 'teach' that the keepers haven't already been taught at their clubs and in fact, everybody on CE seems to know how to teach?
Is any national team worthy of its name supposed to be "training" players the basics?
Teaching a keeper how to correctly position himself and handle a ball is like teaching an outfield player how to trap a ball.

So what the hell are they doing in a NATIONAL camp if they are still learning? (And hey.... I thought it was all agreed Nigerians don't need to "learn" anyway )
Are these errors not individual errors down to the players (in this case, the keepers) themselves?
These errors are not down to a lack of knowledge. They are stupid errors and the question needs to be WHY they are making such errors so frequently IN THE NATIONAL TEAM.

Are they making the same errors in their clubs? If not, why not?
If they are, then why are they in the NATIONAL team in the first place?
A taya o,

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:50 am I disagree totally with the premise that it is kindergarten stuff. I contend that it is a matter of long years of experience. It is a skill that’s acquired over years of experience playing at club level. I do agree that the national team is not the place to acquire or hone those particular skills. Young keepers, unless they are unambiguously exceptional, should not be saddled with first team responsibilities. Their role should ideally strictly be a backup role. Feel free to disagree with me but we’ve had 4 straight games in which our young goalies have cost us dearly because of their inexperience

Cheers.

Damunk wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:06 am

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:50 am I disagree totally with the premise that it is kindergarten stuff. I contend that it is a matter of long years of experience. It is a skill that’s acquired over years of experience playing at club level. I do agree that the national team is not the place to acquire or hone those particular skills. Young keepers, unless they are unambiguously exceptional, should not be saddled with first team responsibilities. Their role should ideally strictly be a backup role. Feel free to disagree with me but we’ve had 4 straight games in which our young goalies have cost us dearly because of their inexperience

Cheers.

So we agree in principle. I also agree on the experience factor.
The difference is, I am saying that those errors are not down to the failings of Aloy Agu or Ike Shorunmu to teach.
Also, I’m saying that these same guys are not making these kind of errors at club level.
So what is happening to them in the SE?
Maybe their inexperience is making them nervous? I don’t know.
Meanwhile, the far older Akpeyi is the one everybody was accusing of nervousness.

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:25 am

Damunk wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:06 am

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:50 am I disagree totally with the premise that it is kindergarten stuff. I contend that it is a matter of long years of experience. It is a skill that’s acquired over years of experience playing at club level. I do agree that the national team is not the place to acquire or hone those particular skills. Young keepers, unless they are unambiguously exceptional, should not be saddled with first team responsibilities. Their role should ideally strictly be a backup role. Feel free to disagree with me but we’ve had 4 straight games in which our young goalies have cost us dearly because of their inexperience

Cheers.

So we agree in principle. I also agree on the experience factor.
The difference is, I am saying that those errors are not down to the failings of Aloy Agu or Ike Shorunmu to teach.
Also, I’m saying that these same guys are not making these kind of errors at club level.
So what is happening to them in the SE?
Maybe their inexperience is making them nervous? I don’t know.
Meanwhile, the far older Akpeyi is the one everybody was accusing of nervousness.

Nerves are part and parcel of the game. Even Emmanuel Okala admitted that he feels helpless whenever he sees Johnny Nwadioha barreling towards him; but the goals these young guys have been conceding are not due to nerves. I’m talking about the swervy balls from long range. It takes experience to learn how to deal with those comfortably. If I were a betting man, I’d bet that neither Akpeyi nor Ezenwa is likely to concede such goals


Cheers.

wanaj0 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:04 am

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:37 am

vancity eagle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:29 am He should be sacked effective immedietly. He has to take some blame for this utter disgrace. Does he have no shame ? What on earth is he working on with these guys in their training sessions. Utter disgrace. Sack him now.

We keep employing donkeys like Alloy Agu and Shorunmu as GK trainers,these guys are already outdated...the likes of Enyeama and Carl Ikeme should be training these guys.

We blame Ike that worked with them for 2 or 3 days but not the coaches that work with them all year round!