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kalani JR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:42 pm I think Bosso deserves a chance.

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:45 pm

kalani JR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:42 pm I think Bosso deserves a chance.

If he does well with the U20 team, then he should have a fair shot, I rate him highly for some reason.

Odas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:42 pm

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:57 pm Oya, attention all locos, pls list all Local coaches you think are good enough to Coach SE back to glory. Doesn’t matter where they coach as long as they’re Nigerian. Here’s a list of some we know of already.

Eguavoen
Siasia
Finidi
Amokachi
Salisu
Amunike
Oliseh

Oya add yours and pick 1. I want non of the above and below.

Emir, where is my name? Please add my name to the list, I want to coach the SE's team. I promise to win the AFCON Cup

Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:17 am

Odas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:42 pm

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:57 pm Oya, attention all locos, pls list all Local coaches you think are good enough to Coach SE back to glory. Doesn’t matter where they coach as long as they’re Nigerian. Here’s a list of some we know of already.

Eguavoen
Siasia
Finidi
Amokachi
Salisu
Amunike
Oliseh

Oya add yours and pick 1. I want non of the above and below.

Emir, where is my name? Please add my name to the list, I want to coach the SE's team. I promise to win the AFCON Cup

I will include you on my list. After all, you have a green pali.
And if you can talk loud, you will impress Nigerian fans and increase your chances of getting the job.
Please, make sure you have won a state Kindergarten soccer tournament.

lacidi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:17 am

packerland wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:13 pm

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:01 pm Maybe we need to try another approach and hire coaches from other African countries that have proven track records in the stronger leagues, there are decent coaches in Egypt, South Africa, Tunisia and Morocco we could try...unpopular submission but I'm tired of this European journeymen coaches that just want to use Nigeria to pimp up their poor CVs.

I want that South African guy.

The one that his own country does not want? Must you guys always want something foreign? Haba

imehjunior wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:43 pm

lacidi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:17 am

packerland wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:13 pm

Tobi17 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:01 pm Maybe we need to try another approach and hire coaches from other African countries that have proven track records in the stronger leagues, there are decent coaches in Egypt, South Africa, Tunisia and Morocco we could try...unpopular submission but I'm tired of this European journeymen coaches that just want to use Nigeria to pimp up their poor CVs.

I want that South African guy.

The one that his own country does not want? Must you guys always want something foreign? Haba

From the list here yes I prefer foreign and I like the South African coach that coached Al Ahly .

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:36 am The local NPFL coaches are overlooked because of the environment they're in. I wouldn't hire a local chemistry school teacher from a school of uncompleted buildings (cement block boxes) with a black board, no running water, no windows, no computers and unconnected. A teacher that practices in a lab with lack of test tubes, bunsen burners etc. Won't hire this teacher to teach kids in a modern classroom with facilities like whiteboards, acoustics and noise design, ventilation and air quality, smart lighting, temp control etc. Such a teacher would need to go prove himself first in this type of environment, sorry.

Our best bet if we want our own are Siasia or Oliseh or better still a combination of both...IMHO. It was a disgrace here when peeps (because of their disdain for Oliseh) overlooked the complete incompetence of the NFF and the rogue move publicly used to prove they had paid him. We let the NFF off the hook there and it's no wonder where we are today. Ofcourse once in a while a coach like Keshi will come along and achieve hence we foolishly think it's a workable environment to work in.

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:33 am

When was the last time you saw Oliseh or Siasia coaching a team of pros? If we want to move forward we can’t keep bringing failed coaches back.

Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 am
Well, one thing we know now is there is a pattern of success with ex internationals coaching. We see Regragui, Cisse, Song, Keshi and I'd add Siasia. Ex internationals that have "been there, done that" credentials and are able to connect with their players in a unique way. This seems to be an established path to success as seen in several countries and in our case, the best guys are Siasia and Oliseh. For me, I think it's very unfair to judge/condemn these guys giving the incompetence they had to deal with. Keshi achieved irrespective of this incompetence, but that is why we have nothing to work with today. Oliseh has not retired and is currently involved in the FIFA Technical Study Group. He's rubbing minds on every WC game with the likes of Arsene Wenger and Klinsmann. I dunno where Siasia is at with his FIFA problems.

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

His name keeps being mentioned cus we have very few homegrown options that are credible, if we want tbh with ourselves.

You cannot produce quality local coaches in the environment in which football is played/coached in Nigeria. That's a simple fact.

None of the clubs are competitive in the continental competitions; not even in CHAN...

In the 1990s I published a post WC review in The Guardian. I stated then that I expected Nigeria to continue using FCs for another 4-6yrs; long enough for the Keshi generation to retire and transition to coaching.

Look at his generation and the ones that followed. How many of them can you credibly point to as realistic options outside Keshi, SS, SO...?

Now contrast that to CIV or Senegal, even Zambia and you see the likes of Charles Musonda from the Keshi generation. You see Kolo Toure and how he made the transition

Even Yaya Toure, who came thru Liverpool to understudy Klopp.

Compare that to our own ex-pros, like Kanu, JJ, Ikpeba, etc. They are just not interested...

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:18 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:52 am

Felarey,

There are successful coaches in Nigeria and they are by no means limited to ex-internationals. There are several achievers in the country that have not played a second for Nigeria. Let's not limited that pool.

Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

His name keeps being mentioned cus we have very few homegrown options that are credible, if we want tbh with ourselves.

You cannot produce quality local coaches in the environment in which football is played/coached in Nigeria. That's a simple fact.

None of the clubs are competitive in the continental competitions; not even in CHAN...

In the 1990s I published a post WC review in The Guardian. I stated then that I expected Nigeria to continue using FCs for another 4-6yrs; long enough for the Keshi generation to retire and transition to coaching.

Look at his generation and the ones that followed. How many of them can you credibly point to as realistic options outside Keshi, SS, SO...?

Now contrast that to CIV or Senegal, even Zambia and you see the likes of Charles Musonda from the Keshi generation. You see Kolo Toure and how he made the transition

Even Yaya Toure, who came thru Liverpool to understudy Klopp.

Compare that to our own ex-pros, like Kanu, JJ, Ikpeba, etc. They are just not interested...

I'm guessing Amunike must be playing golf.

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:18 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:03 am



Success at what (coaching); in what environment (Nigeria)?

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

His name keeps being mentioned cus we have very few homegrown options that are credible, if we want tbh with ourselves.

You cannot produce quality local coaches in the environment in which football is played/coached in Nigeria. That's a simple fact.

None of the clubs are competitive in the continental competitions; not even in CHAN...

In the 1990s I published a post WC review in The Guardian. I stated then that I expected Nigeria to continue using FCs for another 4-6yrs; long enough for the Keshi generation to retire and transition to coaching.

Look at his generation and the ones that followed. How many of them can you credibly point to as realistic options outside Keshi, SS, SO...?

Now contrast that to CIV or Senegal, even Zambia and you see the likes of Charles Musonda from the Keshi generation. You see Kolo Toure and how he made the transition

Even Yaya Toure, who came thru Liverpool to understudy Klopp.

Compare that to our own ex-pros, like Kanu, JJ, Ikpeba, etc. They are just not interested...

I'm guessing Amunike must be playing golf.

I forgot him; also Egbo.

But my overall point remains. Just contrast this with the situation in other countries.

Sunset wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:19 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:18 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:31 am

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

His name keeps being mentioned cus we have very few homegrown options that are credible, if we want tbh with ourselves.

You cannot produce quality local coaches in the environment in which football is played/coached in Nigeria. That's a simple fact.

None of the clubs are competitive in the continental competitions; not even in CHAN...

In the 1990s I published a post WC review in The Guardian. I stated then that I expected Nigeria to continue using FCs for another 4-6yrs; long enough for the Keshi generation to retire and transition to coaching.

Look at his generation and the ones that followed. How many of them can you credibly point to as realistic options outside Keshi, SS, SO...?

Now contrast that to CIV or Senegal, even Zambia and you see the likes of Charles Musonda from the Keshi generation. You see Kolo Toure and how he made the transition

Even Yaya Toure, who came thru Liverpool to understudy Klopp.

Compare that to our own ex-pros, like Kanu, JJ, Ikpeba, etc. They are just not interested...

I'm guessing Amunike must be playing golf.

I forgot him; also Egbo.

But my overall point remains. Just contrast this with the situation in other countries.

The idea that ex internationals that transition to coaching are credible doesn't hold much weight IMO, and a great reputation as a player won't hide the reality of an incompetent coach. Its not for everybody and there are too many examples of that being the case so i can't knock guys who aren't interested. And you literally mentioned at most 2 "potential options" in the Toure brothers from CIV while Musonda's a fitness coach for Congolese side. Seems like you're trying to exaggerate a point here.

txj wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:12 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:19 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:18 pm

txj wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Sunset wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 am

felarey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:22 am

Chief, with sub par environments come certain limitations, no matter how good the individual is. It's not a shot on the individual but at the system. For instance a chef in a backyard kitchen with clay pots and wood burners could whip up correct peppersoup, efo riro and yam porridge. He could be excellent at it. But this chef can never make a good Texan smoked brisket that requires slow cooking. Put the same chef in a modern kitchen with Wolf appliances and he might just burn the house down.

A very apt description of Oliseh's career as a coach at International & club level

The fact people still mention his name wrt coaching is hilarious to say the least.

His name keeps being mentioned cus we have very few homegrown options that are credible, if we want tbh with ourselves.

You cannot produce quality local coaches in the environment in which football is played/coached in Nigeria. That's a simple fact.

None of the clubs are competitive in the continental competitions; not even in CHAN...

In the 1990s I published a post WC review in The Guardian. I stated then that I expected Nigeria to continue using FCs for another 4-6yrs; long enough for the Keshi generation to retire and transition to coaching.

Look at his generation and the ones that followed. How many of them can you credibly point to as realistic options outside Keshi, SS, SO...?

Now contrast that to CIV or Senegal, even Zambia and you see the likes of Charles Musonda from the Keshi generation. You see Kolo Toure and how he made the transition

Even Yaya Toure, who came thru Liverpool to understudy Klopp.

Compare that to our own ex-pros, like Kanu, JJ, Ikpeba, etc. They are just not interested...

I'm guessing Amunike must be playing golf.

I forgot him; also Egbo.

But my overall point remains. Just contrast this with the situation in other countries.

The idea that ex internationals that transition to coaching are credible doesn't hold much weight IMO, and a great reputation as a player won't hide the reality of an incompetent coach. Its not for everybody and there are too many examples of that being the case so i can't knock guys who aren't interested. And you literally mentioned at most 2 "potential options" in the Toure brothers from CIV while Musonda's a fitness coach for Congolese side. Seems like you're trying to exaggerate a point here.

Its not the only pathway to coaching, but it certainly is the most dominant pathway in the world.

And it is the pathway that has resulted in the most success, even while recognizing that there are a few exceptions.

In the continent, it is increasingly the most dominant. Which means that the more ex-pros you have transitioning to coaching, the greater your options.

Outside of this pathway, the local league is your most sustainable long term option. But you have to have a quality and competitive league, which incubates the coaches.

We have a dysfunctional league in almost every material particular. Plus we do not have any truly professional clubs...

The NIS is a moribund institution and has been near dead for a long time.

So even when you train coaches, they have practically no credible environment to practice and grow..