What Do You Think? Italian Children ‘Blacking Up’ To Celebrate Osimhen

[mcal]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

[txj]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

[Bigpokey24]

I cannot believe during black history month cursed abandoned refugees are busy support this racist crap

[Donzman]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

Do you also understand that Italy has a different history than the USA?

I don't support Blackface but I also understand that not every country has the same history with Blackface as THE USA. Italians probably don't understand why a Black person would be offended.

[mcal]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

...minstrel shows by white people mimicking black people in America of old. They know it hurts black people and they continued it.
Like my old headmaster will tell us in primary school, "when someone curses at you by saying eat shiit, tell him to shiit it and you will eat it". To say that to someone in Igbo language is an insult.
Don't get mad at them because they are trying to make you mad, upset you, trick you into assaulting them.

[Bigpokey24]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

Do you also understand that Italy has a different history than the USA?

I don't support Blackface but I also understand that not every country has the same history with Blackface as THE USA. Italians probably don't understand why a Black person would be offended.

you mean like fascism ? or the multiple banana and monkey chants?

[YUJAM]

Interesting opinions here. But if a practice is offensive to one or more group of black people then we should be very circumspect about its use, moreso if the practice was used to perpetuate a culture of racism that resulted in terrible consequences for a large group of black people.

I really think people here should take a minute to do a bit of research before taking positions on issues of race. Anyone who’s taken the time to understand the history of black face wouldn’t be so flippant about its use regardless of the context in which it is used.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

[Bigpokey24]

Interesting opinions here. But if a practice is offensive to one or more group of black people then we should be very circumspect about its use, moreso if the practice was used to perpetuate a culture of racism that resulted in terrible consequences for a large group of black people.

I really think people here should take a minute to do a bit of research before taking positions on issues of race. Anyone who’s taken the time to understand the history of black face wouldn’t be so flippant about its use regardless of the context in which it is used.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

shocking i tell you

[Scipio Africanus]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

Do you also understand that Italy has a different history than the USA?

I don't support Blackface but I also understand that not every country has the same history with Blackface as THE USA. Italians probably don't understand why a *Black person would be offended.

*Black American, understandably. Someone from the deep Nigerian or Senegalese village would probably not be offended, until the history of it's use in the USA is explained to them, and even then it would be on a case by case basis, especially after considering the intent of the Blackface wearer.

[1naija]

Wow.

Damunkey, so what is the cutoff age for you? 18, 21, 40? I mean, would you be okay with it when these same kids are 45 and are still painting their faces black since wearing the face mask and cutting their hair the same style is not sufficient?

But little white kids wanting to look exactly like their black Superhero is a completely different issue for me.

[txj]

We have to stop applying American sensibilities and issues derived from their horrific history of slavery and Jim Crow (blackface theater originated in America) to everything worldwide. The whole "black" and white" issue was spread from America all over the world. People who are Igbo, or Wollof, or Shona are now just simply "black" and people who were Russian, German or Swedish have been condensed to "white".

These kids simply wanted to look like their hero. The grievance artists should find something else.

I think this sums up my view perfectly.

...we black people have issues with our skin color, we get edgy when others makes reference to it, good, bad or innocent intentions like the picture of that kid.

Do you even understand the origin of blackfaces?

Do you also understand that Italy has a different history than the USA?

I don't support Blackface but I also understand that not every country has the same history with Blackface as THE USA. Italians probably don't understand why a Black person would be offended.

This is the same kind of stupidity you exhibit on RnR

You think black face started in the US?
You think the Italians don't understand black face?

[olumide]

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

In my opinion, this isn’t the same thing as what has been happening in America. Blackface in America is cultural appropriation. In Italy, it is just a bunch of kids attempting to look like one specific individual, their hero, who so happens to be black. What if all they did was copy his hair style without painting their bodies black? Would you then be a little less aggrieved? By the way, I’ve never heard you or anyone else complain about Osimhen coloring his hair white, given that black people normally don’t have white hair


Cheers.

[maceo4]

Interesting opinions here. But if a practice is offensive to one or more group of black people then we should be very circumspect about its use, moreso if the practice was used to perpetuate a culture of racism that resulted in terrible consequences for a large group of black people.

I really think people here should take a minute to do a bit of research before taking positions on issues of race. Anyone who’s taken the time to understand the history of black face wouldn’t be so flippant about its use regardless of the context in which it is used.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

shocking i tell you

It’s kinda interesting that non-Americans don’t know this…they think it’s an American thing. It’s why I keep trying to ask them where they have seen the reverse happen, as if black kids aren’t fans of Ronaldo and Messi, show me where they try to paint their face to match those players and what white folks reactions are…that should tell you it’s deeper, it’s always one way aggression towards us and we just act like it’s nothing…

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

Interesting opinions here. But if a practice is offensive to one or more group of black people then we should be very circumspect about its use, moreso if the practice was used to perpetuate a culture of racism that resulted in terrible consequences for a large group of black people.

I really think people here should take a minute to do a bit of research before taking positions on issues of race. Anyone who’s taken the time to understand the history of black face wouldn’t be so flippant about its use regardless of the context in which it is used.

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black ... sm-origins

shocking i tell you

It’s kinda interesting that non-Americans don’t know this…they think it’s an American thing. It’s why I keep trying to ask them where they have seen the reverse happen, as if black kids aren’t fans of Ronaldo and Messi, show me where they try to paint their face to match those players and what white folks reactions are…that should tell you it’s deeper, it’s always one way aggression towards us and we just act like it’s nothing…

Is the face the only part of the body you deem offensive to color? What about other body parts, like the hair for example? I’ve never heard anyone complain about Osimhen’s hair color which is white and not natural?

Intent, to me, matters a lot. Blackface in America is downright racist because of its intent but I don’t think a bunch of young kids painting their faces black to celebrate an outstanding individual amounts to the same thing


Cheers.

[txj]

The intent alone, even if we assume it genuine is not enough.

Where do you think the kids got the idea from?

And equating this with hair coloring is just plain uninformed

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

Now there’s an Osihmen cake.
[media] [/media]

[1naija]

What 6 or 7 year old do you know that can paint himself perfectly as the kids in the picture are painted. This was clearly done by an adult. Are you saying it's okay as long as the kids like Osimhen as a player? What's next? Teach them to call him nig.ger?

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

In my opinion, this isn’t the same thing as what has been happening in America. Blackface in America is cultural appropriation. In Italy, it is just a bunch of kids attempting to look like one specific individual, their hero, who so happens to be black. What if all they did was copy his hair style without painting their bodies black? Would you then be a little less aggrieved? By the way, I’ve never heard you or anyone else complain about Osimhen coloring his hair white, given that black people normally don’t have white hair


Cheers.

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

What 6 or 7 year old do you know that can paint himself perfectly as the kids in the picture are painted. This was clearly done by an adult. Are you saying it's okay as long as the kids like Osimhen as a player? What's next? Teach them to call him nig.ger?

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

In my opinion, this isn’t the same thing as what has been happening in America. Blackface in America is cultural appropriation. In Italy, it is just a bunch of kids attempting to look like one specific individual, their hero, who so happens to be black. What if all they did was copy his hair style without painting their bodies black? Would you then be a little less aggrieved? By the way, I’ve never heard you or anyone else complain about Osimhen coloring his hair white, given that black people normally don’t have white hair


Cheers.

So, painting one’s face has suddenly become rocket science


Cheers.

[1naija]

I know it's been a while since you dealt with a 6 year old, but they are not that patient and detailed. Go and look at the picture again.

What 6 or 7 year old do you know that can paint himself perfectly as the kids in the picture are painted. This was clearly done by an adult. Are you saying it's okay as long as the kids like Osimhen as a player? What's next? Teach them to call him nig.ger?

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

In my opinion, this isn’t the same thing as what has been happening in America. Blackface in America is cultural appropriation. In Italy, it is just a bunch of kids attempting to look like one specific individual, their hero, who so happens to be black. What if all they did was copy his hair style without painting their bodies black? Would you then be a little less aggrieved? By the way, I’ve never heard you or anyone else complain about Osimhen coloring his hair white, given that black people normally don’t have white hair


Cheers.

So, painting one’s face has suddenly become rocket science


Cheers.

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

Now there’s an Osihmen cake.
[media] [/media]

This is probably the most sensible thing that has been said about Victor Osimhen’s imagery, Osimhen ought to be the primary beneficiary of his own imagery


Cheers.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

Now there’s an Osihmen cake.
[media] [/media]

This is probably the most sensible thing that has been said about Victor Osimhen’s imagery, Osimhen ought to be the primary beneficiary of his own imagery


Cheers.

This was cleverly don to avoid a rights dispute. There’s nothing on that cake that Osihmen can claim proprietary rights to. How does a chocolate cake with yellow icing on top and a No 9 on the front violate his prop rights? No 9 could be a 9th birthday or order number.

[furiously frank]

What 6 or 7 year old do you know that can paint himself perfectly as the kids in the picture are painted. This was clearly done by an adult. Are you saying it's okay as long as the kids like Osimhen as a player? What's next? Teach them to call him nig.ger?

I am a an American, so maybe I just have the "American sensibilities" mentioned before, but using Americanization to excuse this sort of behavior does not make sense to me. This is Italy, where it is culturally acceptable to be openly racist towards Africans and specifically Italian football, which is easily the most racist fan culture of the major Western European nations (Osimhen himself has been racially abused multiple times this season, let me know when this happens in America). So, this is a place with a history of racism towards our players where fans are doing something with blatant racial connotations, and we are excusing this? Why?

In my opinion, this isn’t the same thing as what has been happening in America. Blackface in America is cultural appropriation. In Italy, it is just a bunch of kids attempting to look like one specific individual, their hero, who so happens to be black. What if all they did was copy his hair style without painting their bodies black? Would you then be a little less aggrieved? By the way, I’ve never heard you or anyone else complain about Osimhen coloring his hair white, given that black people normally don’t have white hair


Cheers.

This is why I appreciate you. Well said! Thank you.