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ohsee wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:09 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
Chief, help me understand why Regragui is a local coach. He was born in France, grew up there, played for his French home town as a youth, played almost all his senior club football for French sides, and only played international football for Morocco. Does local only mean that you have local ancestry? If Troost or Aribo decided to coach and took courses in Europe, does that make them local simply because they have Nigerian ancestry?
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imehjunior wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:37 am
Undertaker wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:19 pm It isn't the Coach! We have terrible players. They don't care about Nigeria! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I swear. No be coach tell them to cut back instead of to cross ones.
That said the coach is useless.
... which means the players and the coach are all USELESS.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
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As much time as Eguavon?
As Salisu?

The point is Regraoui had a CV with results written on it. That was the starting point.
What for example, does Amuneke have as achievements?
Or even Finidi?

Would anyone even consider them if they were not Nigerian?
They wouldn’t even be part of the conversation.

YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:04 am Azuka. Regraoui.did not become good overnight. He was given a chance and time to improve. Wish the NFF gives the same chance and opportunity to its local coaches.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
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Trying to understand your logic.

A local coach simply means someone that developed their chops locally or have cultural ties to the country. Regraoui, Cisse, Belmadi, and many others are in this category of L.

Regraoui never coached in France. He served as assistant for the Moroccan national team and then developed his craft further at FUS Rabat for five years where he won one trophy (Local or African), their FA cup equivalent. He finally made his breakthrough with Wydad in 2021 when he beat Pitso's Ahly in the finals. The question then becomes why his experience quietly learning European techniques and tactics as a player resulted in only one trophy for him in five years at FUS Rabat a relatively well funded team? Clearly it took him some time to develop his craft in Morocco. Coaches like Aliou Cisse had the time and space to develop professionally too.

And even if we give you your speculative theory that Regraoui's coaching fundamentals were honed as a player in Europe, Nigeria has plenty of players who also played in Europe and are now local coaches.

The foreign coach, a savior who saves African national team because of their superior knowledge of Euro tactics, has not worked out so well recently, as facts show. LCs have stepped up and done a lot better than the supposed Oyinbo saviors. The recent struggles of the SE is a shining example that the FC is not that savior
ohsee wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:16 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:59 am Chief. Let's not get caught up.in semantics.

Regraoui has spent his entire coaching career in Morocco.
ohsee wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:09 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
Chief, help me understand why Regragui is a local coach. He was born in France, grew up there, played for his French home town as a youth, played almost all his senior club football for French sides, and only played international football for Morocco. Does local only mean that you have local ancestry? If Troost or Aribo decided to coach and took courses in Europe, does that make them local simply because they have Nigerian ancestry?
Semantics? Seriously? You don't think that there are ingrained habits, thought patterns and levels of training that come with growing up and practising professional football in an European country? He is for all intents and purposes an European in terms of football and general culture. It is not "semantics". That he coached Moroccan teams does not change that fact.

If coaching African teams makes Europeans "local," then Westerhof and Renard, who spent the overwhelming bulk of their coaching careers coaching African teams should also be regarded as "local" coaches of some sort.

By the way, I thought the best thing about Regragui was that he was able to successfully fuse European and African styles of play. In that sense, Morocco found someone who could do something that works. That should always be the aim.
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There weren't much wins on the CV till recently. He had a 40% win record at FUS in five years. Yes he won the league and ACL on his first year at Wydad but someone took a chance on him there.

But please note both Aliou Cisse and Belmadi had barely anything on their CVs prior to getting chances with their NTs
Damunk wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:45 pm As much time as Eguavon?
As Salisu?

The point is Regraoui had a CV with results written on it. That was the starting point.
What for example, does Amuneke have as achievements?
Or even Finidi?

Would anyone even consider them if they were not Nigerian?
They wouldn’t even be part of the conversation.

YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:04 am Azuka. Regraoui.did not become good overnight. He was given a chance and time to improve. Wish the NFF gives the same chance and opportunity to its local coaches.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
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People are really trying to forget that the last local coach

Had the worst AFCON in 30 years

Failed to qualify for Qatar

The 2 previous local coaches failed to even qualify for afcon.

Yeah so much success.

Rewriting history with fake news.
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YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:04 am Azuka. Regraoui.did not become good overnight. He was given a chance and time to improve. Wish the NFF gives the same chance and opportunity to its local coaches.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
Read his pedigree. I believe he won some African competition? Which of our today's local coaches has won an African competition recently? Let's start from there
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:38 am
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
if we do not give them the opportunity , how can we find out? however we choose to give paseiro the job, dude has been a coach with bad results , 2 wins and 6 loses . ... come one how low can we go after that? Let us get a Nigerian to coach the team and fix it, we can get results vs Salone and Sao Tome ....from there we start building up for the AFCON in CIV , the 2025 AFCON, WCQs and the WC in the states . We have 3 years oooo , the next world cup is around the corner
Like I asked Yujam, let me ask you another similar question. Regraoui is said to have attended some course where was it Arteta or Maurinho who lectured? How many of our local courses have embarked on self improvement/upgrade courses recently?
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You simply can't compare in this area.

Teams like Wydad are professional and well funded sides. Only S African sides pr sides funded by deep pockets can compete with N African sides
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pm
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:04 am Azuka. Regraoui.did not become good overnight. He was given a chance and time to improve. Wish the NFF gives the same chance and opportunity to its local coaches.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
Read his pedigree. I believe he won some African competition? Which of our today's local coaches has won an African competition recently? Let's start from there
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lacidi wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:00 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
What is Regraoui standard? Before coaching Morroco what did he achieve that a Nigerian coach has not achieved in the past? This was the same way you guys worshipped the Algerian coach. In the history of SE, no foreign coach has achieved anything that a Nigerian coach has not achieved.
You guys are simply funny. Rellay what' Regraoui standard?
Wydad AC
On 10 August 2021, Regragui was appointed as the head coach of Botola side Wydad AC.[11] The team went on to win the 2021–22 Botola in his first season[12] On 30 May 2022, he led Wydad AC to win its third CAF Champions League title, after beating defending champions Al Ahly in the final.[13] He became only the second Moroccan manager to win the African Champions League, after Hussein Ammouta with Wydad in 2017.[14] In December 2022, Regragui was nominated for the 2022 IFFHS World's Best Club Coach for his performance in the year in review with Wydad before becoming head coach of the Moroccan national team.[15] He was subsequently adjudged the third best behind Carlo Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola.[16]
See the highlighted part. Like I asked Yujam, maybe you can help him answer it. When was the last time a Nigerian coach led a local club to win an African competition?
For me until a local coach leads a Nigerian club to win an African competition, then none deserve the job. That should be the minimum standard.
If we really need a Nigerian born coach, they we need to spread our tentacle far and wide. There's Egbo or whatever his name is performing wonders somewhere in Eastern Europe. And i believe there are many others like him scattered all over the globe. Let's look for such and offer them the job.
Enough of all these Eguavoen like appointments either local or foreign.
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Enugu II wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:04 pm
lacidi wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:00 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
What is Regraoui standard? Before coaching Morroco what did he achieve that a Nigerian coach has not achieved in the past? This was the same way you guys worshipped the Algerian coach. In the history of SE, no foreign coach has achieved anything that a Nigerian coach has not achieved.
Are you sure people here are aware of that history and stats?
Who's not aware of history of our local coaches? We are talking about present day. Help Yujam and co answer the question. Which of our present day coaches have won an African competition recently? Enough of this local coach nonsense. These coaches win local competition by hook and crook but once they go to the continent they perform so badly that you ask how did they win the local competition.
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azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:24 pm
lacidi wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:00 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
What is Regraoui standard? Before coaching Morroco what did he achieve that a Nigerian coach has not achieved in the past? This was the same way you guys worshipped the Algerian coach. In the history of SE, no foreign coach has achieved anything that a Nigerian coach has not achieved.
You guys are simply funny. Rellay what' Regraoui standard?
Wydad AC
On 10 August 2021, Regragui was appointed as the head coach of Botola side Wydad AC.[11] The team went on to win the 2021–22 Botola in his first season[12] On 30 May 2022, he led Wydad AC to win its third CAF Champions League title, after beating defending champions Al Ahly in the final.[13] He became only the second Moroccan manager to win the African Champions League, after Hussein Ammouta with Wydad in 2017.[14] In December 2022, Regragui was nominated for the 2022 IFFHS World's Best Club Coach for his performance in the year in review with Wydad before becoming head coach of the Moroccan national team.[15] He was subsequently adjudged the third best behind Carlo Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola.[16]
See the highlighted part. Like I asked Yujam, maybe you can help him answer it. When was the last time a Nigerian coach led a local club to win an African competition?
For me until a local coach leads a Nigerian club to win an African competition, then none deserve the job. That should be the minimum standard.
If we really need a Nigerian born coach, they we need to spread our tentacle far and wide. There's Egbo or whatever his name is performing wonders somewhere in Eastern Europe. And i believe there are many others like him scattered all over the globe. Let's look for such and offer them the job.
Enough of all these Eguavoen like appointments either local or foreign.
Azuka, the Champs league part has no bearing, Ikana won back to back Champs league with Enyimba
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:29 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:24 pm
lacidi wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:00 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
What is Regraoui standard? Before coaching Morroco what did he achieve that a Nigerian coach has not achieved in the past? This was the same way you guys worshipped the Algerian coach. In the history of SE, no foreign coach has achieved anything that a Nigerian coach has not achieved.
You guys are simply funny. Rellay what' Regraoui standard?
Wydad AC
On 10 August 2021, Regragui was appointed as the head coach of Botola side Wydad AC.[11] The team went on to win the 2021–22 Botola in his first season[12] On 30 May 2022, he led Wydad AC to win its third CAF Champions League title, after beating defending champions Al Ahly in the final.[13] He became only the second Moroccan manager to win the African Champions League, after Hussein Ammouta with Wydad in 2017.[14] In December 2022, Regragui was nominated for the 2022 IFFHS World's Best Club Coach for his performance in the year in review with Wydad before becoming head coach of the Moroccan national team.[15] He was subsequently adjudged the third best behind Carlo Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola.[16]
See the highlighted part. Like I asked Yujam, maybe you can help him answer it. When was the last time a Nigerian coach led a local club to win an African competition?
For me until a local coach leads a Nigerian club to win an African competition, then none deserve the job. That should be the minimum standard.
If we really need a Nigerian born coach, they we need to spread our tentacle far and wide. There's Egbo or whatever his name is performing wonders somewhere in Eastern Europe. And i believe there are many others like him scattered all over the globe. Let's look for such and offer them the job.
Enough of all these Eguavoen like appointments either local or foreign.
Azuka, the Champs league part has no bearing, Ikana won back to back Champs league with Enyimba
Yes Ikhana won. But how many years ago was that? Ten years?
You guys don't get my point. Just like everything else in our country, the standard of these coaches has deteriorated so bad. In the last 5 years the performance of our local teams have been so bad on the continent that it leaves a soar taste in the mouth.
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Do you think those are self funded? I think Aliou Cisse gained advanced coaching certifications too but those were funded by the Senegalese FA too.

It's all about investing in your coaching talent.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:15 pm
Bigpokey24 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:38 am
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
if we do not give them the opportunity , how can we find out? however we choose to give paseiro the job, dude has been a coach with bad results , 2 wins and 6 loses . ... come one how low can we go after that? Let us get a Nigerian to coach the team and fix it, we can get results vs Salone and Sao Tome ....from there we start building up for the AFCON in CIV , the 2025 AFCON, WCQs and the WC in the states . We have 3 years oooo , the next world cup is around the corner
Like I asked Yujam, let me ask you another similar question. Regraoui is said to have attended some course where was it Arteta or Maurinho who lectured? How many of our local courses have embarked on self improvement/upgrade courses recently?
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Oya guys here's a thread for you all: EII, Yujam, Lacidi, Big Pokey and co educate us.

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azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pm
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:04 am Azuka. Regraoui.did not become good overnight. He was given a chance and time to improve. Wish the NFF gives the same chance and opportunity to its local coaches.
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
Read his pedigree. I believe he won some African competition? Which of our today's local coaches has won an African competition recently? Let's start from there
He won ACL with a well funded Morrocan team. Give him Enyimba or Rivers United let him win ACL with either of them. Or it a coincidence that ACL has always been won by the well funded teams? When we had good funding, Enyimba won it twice with Nigerian coaches but i didn't hear any one asking for the coach to be made SE coach.
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azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:34 pm
Bigpokey24 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:29 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:24 pm
lacidi wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:00 pm
azuka wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:26 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
The question is which of Nigerian coaches is of Regraoui standard?
What is Regraoui standard? Before coaching Morroco what did he achieve that a Nigerian coach has not achieved in the past? This was the same way you guys worshipped the Algerian coach. In the history of SE, no foreign coach has achieved anything that a Nigerian coach has not achieved.
You guys are simply funny. Rellay what' Regraoui standard?
Wydad AC
On 10 August 2021, Regragui was appointed as the head coach of Botola side Wydad AC.[11] The team went on to win the 2021–22 Botola in his first season[12] On 30 May 2022, he led Wydad AC to win its third CAF Champions League title, after beating defending champions Al Ahly in the final.[13] He became only the second Moroccan manager to win the African Champions League, after Hussein Ammouta with Wydad in 2017.[14] In December 2022, Regragui was nominated for the 2022 IFFHS World's Best Club Coach for his performance in the year in review with Wydad before becoming head coach of the Moroccan national team.[15] He was subsequently adjudged the third best behind Carlo Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola.[16]
See the highlighted part. Like I asked Yujam, maybe you can help him answer it. When was the last time a Nigerian coach led a local club to win an African competition?
For me until a local coach leads a Nigerian club to win an African competition, then none deserve the job. That should be the minimum standard.
If we really need a Nigerian born coach, they we need to spread our tentacle far and wide. There's Egbo or whatever his name is performing wonders somewhere in Eastern Europe. And i believe there are many others like him scattered all over the globe. Let's look for such and offer them the job.
Enough of all these Eguavoen like appointments either local or foreign.
Azuka, the Champs league part has no bearing, Ikana won back to back Champs league with Enyimba
Yes Ikhana won. But how many years ago was that? Ten years?
You guys don't get my point. Just like everything else in our country, the standard of these coaches has deteriorated so bad. In the last 5 years the performance of our local teams have been so bad on the continent that it leaves a soar taste in the mouth.
Our local teams can only perform up to their skill level. The better Nigerian players are playing outside the country and the teams do not have the money to attract good foreign talent. Give Enyimba to Arteta, they still won't win ACL. So it's not a coaching issue. Why is Conte not winning the league with Tottenham? We saw how Everton fared under Ancelotti who went on to win UEFA with Real Madrid.
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Enugu II wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:31 am
ohsee wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:16 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:59 am Chief. Let's not get caught up.in semantics.

Regraoui has spent his entire coaching career in Morocco.
ohsee wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:09 am
YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am Another case for local coaches is Morocco. The FC from Serbia (Vlad whateveer) almost destroyed their team and it took bringing in Regraoui (Wydad's coach) to right the ship and get them to the semis of the WC. They are playing Brazil right now and doing superbly.
Chief, help me understand why Regragui is a local coach. He was born in France, grew up there, played for his French home town as a youth, played almost all his senior club football for French sides, and only played international football for Morocco. Does local only mean that you have local ancestry? If Troost or Aribo decided to coach and took courses in Europe, does that make them local simply because they have Nigerian ancestry?
Semantics? Seriously? You don't think that there are ingrained habits, thought patterns and levels of training that come with growing up and practising professional football in an European country? He is for all intents and purposes an European in terms of football and general culture. It is not "semantics". That he coached Moroccan teams does not change that fact.

If coaching African teams makes Europeans "local," then Westerhof and Renard, who spent the overwhelming bulk of their coaching careers coaching African teams should also be regarded as "local" coaches of some sort.

By the way, I thought the best thing about Regragui was that he was able to successfully fuse European and African styles of play. In that sense, Morocco found someone who could do something that works. That should always be the aim.
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Conversely, does all his years coaching in Morocco not have an influence? Or the Wuropean influence trumps all else? It seems to me that what he has is influence that is definitely both and not exclusive to one.
Chief, I did not say that his years coaching in Morocco did not have an influence. I am asking what makes him a "local" coach given his European upbringing and training.
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YUJAM wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:22 pm Trying to understand your logic.

A local coach simply means someone that developed their chops locally or have cultural ties to the country. Regraoui, Cisse, Belmadi, and many others are in this category of L.

Regraoui never coached in France. He served as assistant for the Moroccan national team and then developed his craft further at FUS Rabat for five years where he won one trophy (Local or African), their FA cup equivalent. He finally made his breakthrough with Wydad in 2021 when he beat Pitso's Ahly in the finals. The question then becomes why his experience quietly learning European techniques and tactics as a player resulted in only one trophy for him in five years at FUS Rabat a relatively well funded team? Clearly it took him some time to develop his craft in Morocco. Coaches like Aliou Cisse had the time and space to develop professionally too.

And even if we give you your speculative theory that Regraoui's coaching fundamentals were honed as a player in Europe, Nigeria has plenty of players who also played in Europe and are now local coaches.

The foreign coach, a savior who saves African national team because of their superior knowledge of Euro tactics, has not worked out so well recently, as facts show. LCs have stepped up and done a lot better than the supposed Oyinbo saviors. The recent struggles of the SE is a shining example that the FC is not that savior
Chief, let us agree to disagree. I don't think you have made your case that Regragui is a local coach. Your argument, as I understand it, is that we should not have an "Oyibo saviour" coming to help us. My view is that Regragui qualifies as an Oyibo saviour (by my definition, anyone born and raised in Obodo Oyibo is Oyibo regardless of colour or ancestral heritage), and frankly, if we consider that it is culture rather than skin colour or blood that really counts, he is only slightly different from people like Westerhof who married an African and spent most of their coaching years in Africa.

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