Guinea vs Nigeria (U23)
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Re: Guinea vs Nigeria (U23)
LOL. Unfortunately, the bad field led to a draw at home and it was too much to overcome away from home. Not so?
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As opposed to a loss at home which was not too much to overcome away from home...
Win, draw or lose, a poor pitch impacts performance, especially if your game is based on passing and movement...
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We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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Txj,
Good. I just wanted to confirm that the poor field does not affect only the Super Eagles. It affects all the Nigerian teams.
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the U23 team is just piss poor.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:49 pmTxj,
Good. I just wanted to confirm that the poor field does not affect only the Super Eagles. It affects all the Nigerian teams.
They did even worse on a proper pitch which they played on in Morocco in the 2nd leg.
So no, their failure has nothing to do with poor pitches.
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There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
Cheers.
And football was also different then.
What is so unusual about a team/players wanting to have a good pitch to practice their trade?
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We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.
We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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Let’s stay on point. The argument has never been about what’s appropriate for the team or players. It’s always been about justifying bad performances on the basis of bad pitches. A bad pitch means that a team you’d normally spank on a good pitch, you only beat by a narrow margin… but for that team to turn around and beat you, especially on your home turf, well, that one’s on you, not on the pitchtxj wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:04 pmTonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
Cheers.
And football was also different then.
What is so unusual about a team/players wanting to have a good pitch to practice their trade?
Cheers.
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:18 pmLet’s stay on point. The argument has never been about what’s appropriate for the team or players. It’s always been about justifying bad performances on the basis of bad pitches. A bad pitch means that a team you’d normally spank on a good pitch, you only beat by a narrow margin… but for that team to turn around and beat you, especially on your home turf, well, that one’s on you, not on the pitchtxj wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:04 pmTonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
Cheers.
And football was also different then.
What is so unusual about a team/players wanting to have a good pitch to practice their trade?
Cheers.
But both can be right simultaneously; no?
1. That the team played poorly; and
2. That a poor pitch made a poor performance worse...
AND:
That a poor pitch can equally contribute even in victory
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.
We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.
We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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Nigeria has ALWAYS struggled on bad pitches. I've been watching since 1994.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
Cheers.
Back then when we would play away matches (on very poor pitches) we would struggle against minnows, even back then when the minnows hadn't improved.
Please don't rewrite history.
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You are so full of agenda you can't see reality.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:18 pmLet’s stay on point. The argument has never been about what’s appropriate for the team or players. It’s always been about justifying bad performances on the basis of bad pitches. A bad pitch means that a team you’d normally spank on a good pitch, you only beat by a narrow margin… but for that team to turn around and beat you, especially on your home turf, well, that one’s on you, not on the pitchtxj wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:04 pmTonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm There was a time when Nigeria was quite a bit dominant. Funny thing is back then, we didn’t have good pitches either. Nowadays, it has become fashionable and convenient to blame our rather unflattering performances on bad pitches
Cheers.
And football was also different then.
What is so unusual about a team/players wanting to have a good pitch to practice their trade?
Cheers.
First off it's not honest to compare the minnows of today with those of decades ago.
Number one the minnows have all improved, number two coaching and tactics have also improved. Teams who know they are inferior can now set up tactically to get results, and please it isn't only Nigeria that has been beaten by minnows. It's happened to every team in Africa.
Now to the match we lost. We completely dominated and the loss was AGAINST the run of play. Now the pitch certainly cannot be blamed for our defence falling asleep at that key moment, but it CAN be blamed for misfiring shots, mishit passes and general lack of effective attack. This is not to say there were not other problems, but the MAIN factor was indeed the pitch.
Like I said before Nigeria has ALWAYS struggled on poor pitches. Just go look at our away record over the past few decades. It's littered with draws and occasional losses to piss poor sides.
In fact it's only Rohr who reversed this trend, and the fact that CAF has started to ban many of these worst stadiums I will say is also a major factor in our recent away form which has been very good.
In the past the poor pitches were on the road, now they are more increasingly AT HOME.