Italy U-20 vs Nigeria U-20…

[txj]

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Most of these boys will end up in Europe so their coaching fundamentals will improve, a player like Benjamin Frederick has all the makings of a star under a good coach and environment.

The problem as always is that beyond a certain age, it gets increasingly difficult to change any ingrained habits or to form one...

[txj]

They are better than I thought. Very functional side. Lacking in flair and creativity but really solid.

I guess...

I am still waiting to see someone who I can say is for the future.

Maybe it is too early in the tourney???

I think there's a proper defender in Agbalaka if someone can devote attention to detail in developing him. He's always around the ball in the most dangerous situations, which speaks to focus, concentration and intensity.

[1naija]

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

[txj]

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[1naija]

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[txj]

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

Chelsea predominantly developed Mikel, as Napoli did for Osimhen. Which is not to say that others, including their Nigerian academies did not contribute...

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[1naija]

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[txj]

All of those players maximized their talent as a result of moving to Europe. Every single one of them.

Now show me any of their peers who remained at home that ever rose to their levels?

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[1naija]

Your original statement is the we need to develop our players. I gave you several examples of our players we developed, and several examples of players great success at youth level and moved to Europe and did not develop further. You should support your position with specific examples our players that moved from Nigeria to Europe that Europe developed like I did.

All of those players maximized their talent as a result of moving to Europe. Every single one of them.

Now show me any of their peers who remained at home that ever rose to their levels?

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

I thought they fought quite hard and deserved their victory.

They clearly had the physical edge over Italy, which I thought was the decisive factor in a game, over the also physical Italian team as showed vs Brazil. We just need to layer-on better technical quality...

In spite of the victory, the fundamental issues here are unchanged.

We need to develop our players properly and not depend on Europe for them to maximize their talent.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[lacidi]

France is stinking up the joint against Gambia

[marutimon]

Wow, France has a defence that is atrocious.

[ohenhen1]

The choice to go a foreign club is purely financial @TXJ not about player development. Players like Daga and Eletu have balled in Nigeria. I even remember a young Victor Osimhen hat was balling in Nigeria, developed in Nigeria. Then went overseas to make the money. Nigeria youth coaches are good. If we had a solid home league with good financial incentives. Some players may choose to stay in Nigeria.

[txj]

Success at youth level is not the end but the starting point.

Per your request, ALL the players in the SE who came through the youth teams is my example. ALL of them!
They became top players as a result of developing in Europe beyond their talent at youth levels.

Your original statement is the we need to develop our players. I gave you several examples of our players we developed, and several examples of players great success at youth level and moved to Europe and did not develop further. You should support your position with specific examples our players that moved from Nigeria to Europe that Europe developed like I did.

All of those players maximized their talent as a result of moving to Europe. Every single one of them.

Now show me any of their peers who remained at home that ever rose to their levels?

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

ATF, this is very very nonsensical post ( and I say that with all due respect ... as much respect as can be given to nonsensical posts).

How many of our youth players has Europe developed to maximize their talents. If anything Europe only capitalize on talents developed by Nigerian coaches.

Did Europe develop Nacho, Awoniyi, Nwakali, Yahaya, Alampasu, Nacho, or even Mikel who were superstars at youth level to maximize their talents? And don't even mention Osimhen, because he has performed at every level and at every club he has played.

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

[ohenhen1]

Success at youth level is not the end but the starting point.

Per your request, ALL the players in the SE who came through the youth teams is my example. ALL of them!
They became top players as a result of developing in Europe beyond their talent at youth levels.

Your original statement is the we need to develop our players. I gave you several examples of our players we developed, and several examples of players great success at youth level and moved to Europe and did not develop further. You should support your position with specific examples our players that moved from Nigeria to Europe that Europe developed like I did.

All of those players maximized their talent as a result of moving to Europe. Every single one of them.

Now show me any of their peers who remained at home that ever rose to their levels?

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

Yes Europe did, which is what enabled talented players like Mikel, Osimhen, etc to maximize their talents and to become world class.

Compare these players to their peers who remained in Nigeria and tell me there was no difference?

Talent is talent. In the early 80s. Nigeria players were not going to foreign leagues. We fielded ballers like Segun Odegbami and co from the local league and won the Afcon. The players were saying home an developing. It is now a different era. Nigeria players want to make the money and are not staying home. They even choose to go to leagues in India or South Africa to play. Nigeria bests players are no longer in Nigeria. Even the 2nd division is now for strictly youth players.

[lacidi]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

[Gotti]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

Omo, Gambia beat France 2-1, despite missing a PK….

[Gotti]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

Btw, you notice that some CEs who haven’t posted in ages but showed up immediately soon as Nigeria was losing to the Dominican Republic have gone back into hibernation….Things that makes one go hmmmmmm.

[txj]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

I didn't know you were French!
Ques que cest monseuir lacidi?

[txj]

The choice to go a foreign club is purely financial @TXJ not about player development. Players like Daga and Eletu have balled in Nigeria. I even remember a young Victor Osimhen hat was balling in Nigeria, developed in Nigeria. Then went overseas to make the money. Nigeria youth coaches are good. If we had a solid home league with good financial incentives. Some players may choose to stay in Nigeria.

The motivation for going to Europe is not the issue here and is irrelevant to the discussion.

Let me ask it again.

Name one player who didn't go to Europe who plays at home at the same level as his peers in Europe?

[txj]

Success at youth level is not the end but the starting point.

Per your request, ALL the players in the SE who came through the youth teams is my example. ALL of them!
They became top players as a result of developing in Europe beyond their talent at youth levels.

Your original statement is the we need to develop our players. I gave you several examples of our players we developed, and several examples of players great success at youth level and moved to Europe and did not develop further. You should support your position with specific examples our players that moved from Nigeria to Europe that Europe developed like I did.

All of those players maximized their talent as a result of moving to Europe. Every single one of them.

Now show me any of their peers who remained at home that ever rose to their levels?

Still missing the point. Superstars are not made in Europe. You either have the talent and drive to be one or or you don't. Europe can't develop you into one, and has not developed any of our players into superstars. Some of our other star players that were very successful in Europe include Kanu, JJ, Taribo West, Victor Ikpeba, Amokachi, Amunike, Obafemi Martins, and few others. Not one of these players that you can tell us Europe developed. So why then would you say Mikel and Osimhens success are because of Europe when they demonstrated those talent before getting to Europe?

If that is the case, why didn't their peers in Nigeria become superstars?

Why didn't Victor Igbinoba become a superstar?

Stellar performance at the youth level as we know is not a guarantee of success at higher levels, but it is an important starting point.

There are many factors that affect our players who go to Europe, such as weather, transition to a new culture, language, support of the coach, age at time of transfer, etc

None of these are significant for the peers of these players who are at home.

So why do we not produce a superstar from home in this period?

So which of the Europe teams developed Mikel? Lyn Oslo or Chelsea? Did Wolfsburg develop Osimhen? Or does that credit only go lille and Napoli where he score many goals?

All the players I mentioned, moved to Europe after stellar performances at youth level? Why didn't Europe develop the rest of them to be superstars like Mikel and Osimhen, who I am 100% certain would have been superstars no matter where they played?

Talent is talent. In the early 80s. Nigeria players were not going to foreign leagues. We fielded ballers like Segun Odegbami and co from the local league and won the Afcon. The players were saying home an developing. It is now a different era. Nigeria players want to make the money and are not staying home. They even choose to go to leagues in India or South Africa to play. Nigeria bests players are no longer in Nigeria. Even the 2nd division is now for strictly youth players.

This is 2023 not 1980

[Showboy]

I swear txj analyzes games like a White man. Africans are physical, Europeans are technical

It was a bit weird seeing the Nigerians being so efficient with the ball, and the Italians, particularly the boy named Pafundi, playing like someone you picked from Agege playground or something. He kind of ruined their game with masturbatory dribbles.

This guy

[Bigpokey24]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

Btw, you notice that some CEs who haven’t posted in ages but showed up immediately soon as Nigeria was losing to the Dominican Republic have gone back into hibernation….Things that makes one go hmmmmmm.

they are terrible people, they only show up to abuse the team and the local coaches.. they offer nothing

[packerland]

If Nigeria play as bad as France in this world cup, all hell would have broken loose on CE.

Btw, you notice that some CEs who haven’t posted in ages but showed up immediately soon as Nigeria was losing to the Dominican Republic have gone back into hibernation….Things that makes one go hmmmmmm.

they are terrible people, they only show up to abuse the team and the local coaches.. they offer nothing

Hush it! This team is not all that. I still wish them well.