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Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:17 pm
by danfo driver
I am posting this here because it relates to SE and SE players.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:39 pm
by EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA
There might be an element of truth to it but it’s a rather ignorant generalization by Neymar if indeed he did say what he’s quoted as saying. Has Brazil achieved anything that African countries haven’t in the last 10yrs? They have players in all the top teams in the Top 5 leagues but they’ve can’t win shishi with it, granted there’re historically a top team but how long we go chop rotten meat ?
The 54 countries of Africa have far fewer players in Top leagues than Brazil,even fewer when you only consider the top 5 African team as rated by FIFA. What Newmar needs to do is sharap da hell up and start winning again.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:59 pm
by Scipio Africanus
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:06 pm
by packerland
danfo driver wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:17 pm
I am posting this here because it relates to SE and SE players.
How is this SE related?
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:03 pm
by jette1
Just to make a point straight irrespective of who said what
There are Different levels of passion or dedications. First of all passion, commitment or dedication summed up to patriotism. Patriotism, passion whatever you wanna call it is recursive. Recursive means what you put in is what you reap in time of harvest. Multiple factors come into play. The level passion a Brazilian black or even an American or English black who is fundamentally a subservient minority in a white dominated population and who must offer sweat and blood to attain a measure of heroic acceptance by the white social hierarchy isn’t something that plays out in a typical sub Saharan African nation. Obama has to kill ghadafi and osama to attain same status of a standard American president. I can go deeper but let’s just leave it at that for now
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:11 pm
by EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA
jette1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:03 pm
Just to make a point straight irrespective of who said what
There are Different levels of passion or dedications. First of all passion, commitment or dedication summed up to patriotism. Patriotism, passion whatever you wanna call it is recursive. Recursive means what you put in is what you reap in time of harvest. Multiple factors come into play. The level passion a Brazilian black or even an American or English black who is fundamentally a subservient minority in a white dominated population and who must offer sweat and blood to attain a measure of heroic acceptance by the white social hierarchy isn’t something that plays out in a typical sub Saharan African nation. Obama has to kill ghadafi and osama to attain same status of a standard American president. I can go deeper but let’s just leave it at that for now
How did you get from Neymar’ comments to Bin Laden, Gaddafi and Obama? Na wa o. Ya case don reach this level?
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:03 pm
by jette1
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:11 pm
jette1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:03 pm
Just to make a point straight irrespective of who said what
There are Different levels of passion or dedications. First of all passion, commitment or dedication summed up to patriotism. Patriotism, passion whatever you wanna call it is recursive. Recursive means what you put in is what you reap in time of harvest. Multiple factors come into play. The level passion a Brazilian black or even an American or English black who is fundamentally a subservient minority in a white dominated population and who must offer sweat and blood to attain a measure of heroic acceptance by the white social hierarchy isn’t something that plays out in a typical sub Saharan African nation. Obama has to kill ghadafi and osama to attain same status of a standard American president. I can go deeper but let’s just leave it at that for now
How did you get from Neymar’ comments to Bin Laden, Gaddafi and Obama? Na wa o. Ya case don reach this level?
You wan make I put tinubu
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:17 pm
by packerland
jette1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:03 pm
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:11 pm
jette1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:03 pm
Just to make a point straight irrespective of who said what
There are Different levels of passion or dedications. First of all passion, commitment or dedication summed up to patriotism. Patriotism, passion whatever you wanna call it is recursive. Recursive means what you put in is what you reap in time of harvest. Multiple factors come into play. The level passion a Brazilian black or even an American or English black who is fundamentally a subservient minority in a white dominated population and who must offer sweat and blood to attain a measure of heroic acceptance by the white social hierarchy isn’t something that plays out in a typical sub Saharan African nation. Obama has to kill ghadafi and osama to attain same status of a standard American president. I can go deeper but let’s just leave it at that for now
How did you get from Neymar’ comments to Bin Laden, Gaddafi and Obama? Na wa o. Ya case don reach this level?
You wan make I put tinubu
You two are funny
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:53 pm
by airwolex
African players definitely have the passion. We just aren't good enough tbh.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:34 pm
by marutimon
Brasilians have a passion of losing in 1/4 finals. Sometimes brutally.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:55 pm
by Undertaker
I totally agreed with Neymar! African players, especially the Nigerian players show a lack of passion and desire to play for their country.
Before FIFA made it mandatory for Clubs to release players during FIFA windows, a lot of them will dodge invite and make up stupid injury excuses.
All it took then is their club telling them don't go.... and they withdraw from the National team. However, I must. It isn't all of them. There are some of them that show great passion and love for their country. Rest in peace to Samuel Okwaraji!
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:08 am
by mcal
...you don't show passion if you are not taken care of.
When you've been cheated many times, it's difficult to show passion.
A saying goes like this, "Fool Me Once, Shame on You, Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me".
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:51 am
by Scipio Africanus
Neymar said no such thing.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:05 am
by kalani JR
No proof that Neymar ever said this but what has Neymar's passion won for the senior team?
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:05 pm
by green4life
All the talent in the world won’t get you to a WC final when your administrative (technical, coaching, logistics, etc) is miles behind expected industry wide best practices standards.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:24 pm
by wiseone
Remember when Okocha and other SE players missed national team training because they claimed to have got lost (for several days apparently) on their way to the training ground?
Undertaker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:55 pm
I totally agreed with Neymar! African players, especially the Nigerian players show a lack of passion and desire to play for their country.
Before FIFA made it mandatory for Clubs to release players during FIFA windows, a lot of them will dodge invite and make up stupid injury excuses.
All it took then is their club telling them don't go.... and they withdraw from the National team. However, I must. It isn't all of them. There are some of them that show great passion and love for their country. Rest in peace to Samuel Okwaraji!
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:35 am
by theDunamis
green4life wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:05 pmAll the talent in the world won’t get you to a WC final when your administrative (technical, coaching, logistics, etc) is miles behind expected industry wide best practices standards.
Exactly this. I don't believe Neymar said what is being quoted, but it is a notion that many have, and it is an ignorant notion.
A notion that misses the forest for the
iroko trees. What you said above is the true culprit. And until and unless that is addressed substantially, talent can only paper over so many cracks.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:07 pm
by Lolly
green4life wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:05 pm
All the talent in the world won’t get you to a WC final when your administrative (technical, coaching, logistics, etc) is miles behind expected industry wide best practices standards.
So how did our talented Under 17 (MRI certified group) win the World Cup?
Under the same administrative deficiencies, the players and the coaching were good enough to challenge the best.
Move forward to senior teams, our players have not developed to the levels of their contemporaries mostly due to not having the opportunity to play at the top level with top coaches. Quality of players is a very important factor.
Also our local coaches are not good enough including the poor journeyman Oyinbo coaches that we’ve recruited lately.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:10 pm
by TonyTheTigerKiller
Some people think they’re entitled to talk nonsense and Neymar just might be one of them… apparently, his Brazilian countrymen did not have enough passion for their country in losing to Israel
Cheers.
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:12 pm
by Scipio Africanus
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:10 pm
Some people think they’re entitled to talk nonsense and Neymar just might be one of them… apparently, his Brazilian countrymen did not have enough passion for their country in losing to Israel
Cheers.
Dunce. Neymar said no such thing! Ewu kwarikwata!
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:32 pm
by Cellular
I too doubt that Neymar said what was tweeted.
But even if he had said it, he is wrong!
The reason we are not what we need to be at senior level football is more due to self-sabotage from administrative shortcomings.
Other countries focus on just football... we are busy fighting our thieves who rather steal from the players and not provide them with the best environment to succeed.
Our shortcomings has nothing to do with patriotism.
NOTHING!
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:31 pm
by txj
Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:07 pm
green4life wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:05 pm
All the talent in the world won’t get you to a WC final when your administrative (technical, coaching, logistics, etc) is miles behind expected industry wide best practices standards.
So how did our talented Under 17 (MRI certified group) win the World Cup?
Under the same administrative deficiencies, the players and the coaching were good enough to challenge the best.
Move forward to senior teams, our players have not developed to the levels of their contemporaries mostly due to not having the opportunity to play at the top level with top coaches. Quality of players is a very important factor.
Also our local coaches are not good enough including the poor journeyman Oyinbo coaches that we’ve recruited lately.
You are actually equating a youth tournament with the WC?
Re: Neymar: African Players Do Not Have Passion For Their Countries
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:38 pm
by Scipio Africanus
Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:32 pm
I too doubt that Neymar said what was tweeted.
But even if he had said it, he is wrong!
The reason we are not what we need to be at senior level football is more due to self-sabotage from administrative shortcomings.
Other countries focus on just football... we are busy fighting our thieves who rather steal from the players and not provide them with the best environment to succeed.
Our shortcomings has nothing to do with patriotism.
NOTHING!
Agreed. If football results mirrored patriotism, we would win every competition we entered. The so-called elite team players will not tolerate 1% of the nonsense our players put up with.
There is no proof Neymar ever said that. Simple minded Cuntington like you. 
