Ahmed Musa || King in the North
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Ahmed Musa || King in the North
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Interesting debate, if allowed.
Instead dem wan kill di guy.
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The truth of the matter is that the designation "King of the North" limits Ahmed Musa's accomplishment to a section of the country. In my view, Ahmed Musa is a national icon and not a sectional one. He has a point that Musa accomplished more for Nigeria's national team than Nwankwo Kanu. I think if people look closely without conflating Kanu's career at Arsenal/Ajax/Milan with his Nigerian career, you will come to the conclusion that Musa had a better career for Nigeria than Kanu Nwankwo. While, I will not put Musa among the top three for Nigeria, he is definitely up there and will rank in my view ahead of Kanu Nwankwo when we focus solely on performance for the senior team of Nigeria.
In fact, this why I often shudder when persons include Kanu Nwankwo in Nigeria's All time X. That makes me shake my head. Kanu barely played 50 minutes a game for Nigeria, did not even score a goal as a forward at an AFCON. Yet, some conflate his club career with his Nigerian career and put him in an All Time XI. I do not think he belongs there.
In fact, this why I often shudder when persons include Kanu Nwankwo in Nigeria's All time X. That makes me shake my head. Kanu barely played 50 minutes a game for Nigeria, did not even score a goal as a forward at an AFCON. Yet, some conflate his club career with his Nigerian career and put him in an All Time XI. I do not think he belongs there.
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Uh oh, you’ll cause a riot ooo.Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:55 pm The truth of the matter is that the designation "King of the North" limits Ahmed Musa's accomplishment to a section of the country. In my view, Ahmed Musa is a national icon and not a sectional one. He has a point that Musa accomplished more for Nigeria's national team than Nwankwo Kanu. I think if people look closely without conflating Kanu's career at Arsenal/Ajax/Milan with his Nigerian career, you will come to the conclusion that Musa had a better career for Nigeria than Kanu Nwankwo. While, I will not put Musa among the top three for Nigeria, he is definitely up there and will rank in my view ahead of Kanu Nwankwo when we focus solely on performance for the senior team of Nigeria.
In fact, this why I often shudder when persons include Kanu Nwankwo in Nigeria's All time X. That makes me shake my head. Kanu barely played 50 minutes a game for Nigeria, did not even score a goal as a forward at an AFCON. Yet, some conflate his club career with his Nigerian career and put him in an All Time XI. I do not think he belongs there.
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How many assists did Kanu have ?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:55 pm The truth of the matter is that the designation "King of the North" limits Ahmed Musa's accomplishment to a section of the country. In my view, Ahmed Musa is a national icon and not a sectional one. He has a point that Musa accomplished more for Nigeria's national team than Nwankwo Kanu. I think if people look closely without conflating Kanu's career at Arsenal/Ajax/Milan with his Nigerian career, you will come to the conclusion that Musa had a better career for Nigeria than Kanu Nwankwo. While, I will not put Musa among the top three for Nigeria, he is definitely up there and will rank in my view ahead of Kanu Nwankwo when we focus solely on performance for the senior team of Nigeria.
In fact, this why I often shudder when persons include Kanu Nwankwo in Nigeria's All time X. That makes me shake my head. Kanu barely played 50 minutes a game for Nigeria, did not even score a goal as a forward at an AFCON. Yet, some conflate his club career with his Nigerian career and put him in an All Time XI. I do not think he belongs there.
He was more of a creative player than anything else. You cannot judge Kanu by goals scored
Also Musa literally had NOTHING to do with our afcon win in 2013. He sat on the bench for Ideye Brown. So that cannot be used to boost his profile.
I know who I would rather reincarnate in their prime to SE if I had a choice.
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VEvancity eagle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:14 amHow many assists did Kanu have ?Enugu II wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:55 pm The truth of the matter is that the designation "King of the North" limits Ahmed Musa's accomplishment to a section of the country. In my view, Ahmed Musa is a national icon and not a sectional one. He has a point that Musa accomplished more for Nigeria's national team than Nwankwo Kanu. I think if people look closely without conflating Kanu's career at Arsenal/Ajax/Milan with his Nigerian career, you will come to the conclusion that Musa had a better career for Nigeria than Kanu Nwankwo. While, I will not put Musa among the top three for Nigeria, he is definitely up there and will rank in my view ahead of Kanu Nwankwo when we focus solely on performance for the senior team of Nigeria.
In fact, this why I often shudder when persons include Kanu Nwankwo in Nigeria's All time X. That makes me shake my head. Kanu barely played 50 minutes a game for Nigeria, did not even score a goal as a forward at an AFCON. Yet, some conflate his club career with his Nigerian career and put him in an All Time XI. I do not think he belongs there.
He was more of a creative player than anything else. You cannot judge Kanu by goals scored
Also Musa literally had NOTHING to do with our afcon win in 2013. He sat on the bench for Ideye Brown. So that cannot be used to boost his profile.
I know who I would rather reincarnate in their prime to SE if I had a choice.
Assists? Actually, Musa has more assists than Kanu and more than several SE central midfielders. In any case, Kanu was a striker. The thing is that Kanu is a mercurial ball player but I really thing his hype precedes his productivity.
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...haters will always hate the guy. Musa is simply not as flamboyant as the others for them to accept he is way up there than their euro-stars.
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I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
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It’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember also that many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t.
But it will never be forgotten.
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Personally, I’ve never watched Kanu score a goal for SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember, many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t. But it will never be forgotten.
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Because there are unfortunately too few of them.EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:06 amPersonally, I’ve never watched Kanu score a goal for SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember, many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t. But it will never be forgotten.
"Ole kuku ni gbogbo wọn "
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Kanu was also injured quite a lot if I remember correctly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
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So you agree, but the injuries is the excuse?vancity eagle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:20 amKanu was also injured quite a lot if I remember correctly.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
His injuries were more towards the end of his career.
Def not when at Arsenal.
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Yes technically the Atlanta gold was not SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember also that many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t.
But it will never be forgotten.
But Musa has not won ANYTHING for ANY Nigerian team.
It is false to state that he "won afcon"
He didn't. He was a spectator on the bench. He didn't do sheeeeit.
Like you said NOBODY will forget how Kanu destroyed Brazil (which was virtually a full strength squad) and made us to become the first African Olympic winner.
What on earth will you remember Musa for in all honesty ? Scoring WC goals that lead us to nowhere?
That certainly is way down the list in terms of the best moments of following Nigerian football at al levels.
In fact he will be remembered for being a stubborn self centered clown who didn't know when to retire, more than scoring some meaningless goals that really did NOTHING for SE.
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What has Kanu "won" for the SE?vancity eagle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:27 amYes technically the Atlanta gold was not SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember also that many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t.
But it will never be forgotten.
But Musa has not won ANYTHING for ANY Nigerian team.
It is false to state that he "won afcon"
He didn't. He was a spectator on the bench. He didn't do sheeeeit.
Like you said NOBODY will forget how Kanu destroyed Brazil (which was virtually a full strength squad) and made us to become the first African Olympic winner.
What on earth will you remember Musa for in all honesty ? Scoring WC goals that lead us to nowhere?
That certainly is way down the list in terms of the best moments of following Nigerian football at al levels.
In fact he will be remembered for being a stubborn self centered clown who didn't know when to retire, more than scoring some meaningless goals that really did NOTHING for SE.
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Nigerians will always be proud of winning Olympic gold but it doesn’t trump scoring goals at the World Cup. Any professional football player will tell you they’d rather score goals at the World Cup than win gold at a glorified youth tournament. Musa’s name has been forever written indelibly into FIFA’s archivesvancity eagle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:27 amYes technically the Atlanta gold was not SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember also that many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t.
But it will never be forgotten.
But Musa has not won ANYTHING for ANY Nigerian team.
It is false to state that he "won afcon"
He didn't. He was a spectator on the bench. He didn't do sheeeeit.
Like you said NOBODY will forget how Kanu destroyed Brazil (which was virtually a full strength squad) and made us to become the first African Olympic winner.
What on earth will you remember Musa for in all honesty ? Scoring WC goals that lead us to nowhere?
That certainly is way down the list in terms of the best moments of following Nigerian football at al levels.
In fact he will be remembered for being a stubborn self centered clown who didn't know when to retire, more than scoring some meaningless goals that really did NOTHING for SE.
Cheers.
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TTTKTonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:02 pmNigerians will always be proud of winning Olympic gold but it doesn’t trump scoring goals at the World Cup. Any professional football player will tell you they’d rather score goals at the World Cup than win gold at a glorified youth tournament. Musa’s name has been forever written indelibly into FIFA’s archivesvancity eagle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:27 amYes technically the Atlanta gold was not SE.Damunk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:04 amIt’s not they are unable to if they tried. They just don’t want to.Enugu II wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:53 amMcal
I think it is more about an inability to differentiate between performance for the SE and performance with Euro clubs. If for instance we are to rank best ever Nigerian players to play for Euro clubs, I will put Nwankwo Kanu at the very top without any hesitation. He was that good! But for the SE? No! He just was not among the best in the colors of Nigeria. There is a difference. Unfortunately, most are not able to separate and make the difference.
I am a certified King Kanu Shriner, always have been.
But on these very specific parameters, I have to agree.
Musa did more for the Super Eagles than Kanu.
Remember also that many wrongly see his superlative performance at the ‘96 Olympics as a Super Eagles one.
It wasn’t.
But it will never be forgotten.
But Musa has not won ANYTHING for ANY Nigerian team.
It is false to state that he "won afcon"
He didn't. He was a spectator on the bench. He didn't do sheeeeit.
Like you said NOBODY will forget how Kanu destroyed Brazil (which was virtually a full strength squad) and made us to become the first African Olympic winner.
What on earth will you remember Musa for in all honesty ? Scoring WC goals that lead us to nowhere?
That certainly is way down the list in terms of the best moments of following Nigerian football at al levels.
In fact he will be remembered for being a stubborn self centered clown who didn't know when to retire, more than scoring some meaningless goals that really did NOTHING for SE.
Cheers.
The truth is that it is a waste of time arguing with vancity on Musa. His feeling about Musa clouds his ability to reasonabl it and logically evaluate Musa.
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Musa is a legend of Nigerian footbal, QED
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For VE...
Musa played in 5 out of 6 matches at the AFCON 2013 tourney including the final, scoring one goal. So you can't say he does not deserve to be called an AFCON winner.
Musa was also in the team that won 2010 WAFU Nations Cup.
Musa played in 5 out of 6 matches at the AFCON 2013 tourney including the final, scoring one goal. So you can't say he does not deserve to be called an AFCON winner.
Musa was also in the team that won 2010 WAFU Nations Cup.
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