Sambawa criticised for paying Eagles despite loss to CIV.

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:52 pm

Sambawa goes gaga with dollars
TONY UBANI reporting Live
Posted to the Web: Monday, February 13, 2006

many Nigerians are yet to overcome the disgrace of the Super Eagles’ ouster from winning the Nations Cup. Many who depend on soccer to avoid hunger, criminals who went on break to enjoy good football, husbands who stayed home with their wives to watch football, husbands who strayed out with already-made excuses of going to watch it with friends, are still sulking the ignominous exit of the Eagles.

Those ones must learn to come to terms with their exit, anyway. What is painful is that while many were still gritting their teeth, the same players were having their bonuses paid for losing to Cote d’Ivoire. It’s outrageous! We have it on good authority that Sports Minister ordered his accounting aides to pay the Eagles 50% of their winning bonus for losing to Cote d’Ivoire.

What for, you may ask? To encourage them to win bronze or to help him retire the money they came to Egypt with, or to show that he loves them more than the NFA. It beats everyone's imagination. Now, we are setting a dangerous precedent. Anytime any team loses, we must pay them half of their winning bonus.
The Minister would have received ovation if he had asked the players to refund some money paid them in their previous wins.

That way, one can say that he is acting what OBJ is preaching, accountability. And that way, the Eagles would know that they are paid from the sweats of the ordinary Nigerians they broke their hearts with their sloppy play. There have been cases of people dying with such defeats. Are we paying them bonus in defeat to encourage them kill some Nigerians? It’s like Vanguard to pay me bonus for not doing my work. Incredible!

As if that was not enough, the Sports Minister also directed that the players who lost their money should be paid. Holy Moses! Oruma got his 6,000 dollars back with other players. To me, that is another way of telling them to be careless with money, after all, the Minister would replace whatever is lost. If some players knew it was going to be like this, some of them would have declared their money missing.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/200 ... 22006.html

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:20 pm

so are they saying the players should not get anything for their efforts? There should be a clear policy on allowances and I think 50% of winning bonus is NOT excessive for a team that had already made it to the semi-finals.

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:21 pm

I think this writer or the critic in particular is just trying to over react here....

I don't see anything wrong in what the Sport Minister did by paying them 50% of what they were supposed to take winning that match... and I am sure the Minister felt is better to go home with something rather than going home empty handed hence he motivated them.

SO THESE GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOULD BETTER SHUT-UP THEIR A$$...

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:23 pm

Vindave wrote:I think this writer or the critic in particular is just trying to over react here....

I don't see anything wrong in what the Sport Minister did by paying them 50% of what they were supposed to take winning that match... and I am sure the Minister felt is better to go home with something rather than going home empty handed hence he motivated them.

SO THESE GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOULD BETTER SHUT-UP THEIR A$$...

co-sign.

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:28 pm

Oba wrote:so are they saying the players should not get anything for their efforts? There should be a clear policy on allowances and I think 50% of winning bonus is NOT excessive for a team that had already made it to the semi-finals.

Oba, i think it should be made clear to these people too that the Eagle's job is different from the ordinary normal work... but can be liking to field sodjiers going to war. Whether they win the war or not they are paid their allowances.

The Super Eagles had gone to war with CIV players and they were defeated in battle any how we want to look at it.

So paying them half of their entitlement after loosing the war does not amount to bad action from the paymaster.

bakana · Post by **bakana** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:37 pm

Vindave wrote:I think this writer or the critic in particular is just trying to over react here....

I don't see anything wrong in what the Sport Minister did by paying them 50% of what they were supposed to take winning that match... and I am sure the Minister felt is better to go home with something rather than going home empty handed hence he motivated them.

SO THESE GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOULD BETTER SHUT-UP THEIR A$$...

Was 50% the pre arranged sum? I ask cos these are stuffs that should have been decided on way b4 the competition eg. getting out of group- xdollars, quarter finals- xx dollars, semifinals etc, etc , I'm not privy to what was agreed so I'll hold back any comments but since we don't hear any protests I guess its ok with the players which is the much more important.

adichie · Post by **adichie** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:43 pm

The policy should be clear .

It should be predefined before any tournament ie win, draw ,gold, silver,bronze etc.. etc and respected.

I don't support on the spot discretion because it gives room for wrong interpretation. Some even say it's because the officials wanted an opening to have theirs .

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:44 pm

bakana wrote:
Vindave wrote:I think this writer or the critic in particular is just trying to over react here....

I don't see anything wrong in what the Sport Minister did by paying them 50% of what they were supposed to take winning that match... and I am sure the Minister felt is better to go home with something rather than going home empty handed hence he motivated them.

SO THESE GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOULD BETTER SHUT-UP THEIR A$$...
Was 50% the pre arranged sum? I ask cos these are stuffs that should have been decided on way b4 the competition eg. getting out of group- xdollars, quarter finals- xx dollars, semifinals etc, etc , I'm not privy to what was agreed so I'll hold back any comments but since we don't hear any protests I guess its ok with the players which is the much more important.

like u said, am not privy to the agreed rate too. but is not even the players that are complaining now.... the players were just happy to receive what one can term unmerited favour - (50%) for not winning. But that was the tonic point - the motivation they needed against Senega for the final match they played to collect the BRONZE.

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:04 pm

I know that there is an agreed allowance for losses as well. Whether this amount is 50% of potential win bonus, I don't know.

But the author of the article is obviously biased. He starts by saying the disgrace the players have brought to Nigeria for coming third. He also questioned the minister's decision for compensate Oruma after he was robbed.

Tony Ubani sounds like a has a massive grudge.

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:10 pm

Oba wrote:I know that there is an agreed allowance for losses as well. Whether this amount is 50% of potential win bonus, I don't know.

But the author of the article is obviously biased. He starts by saying the disgrace the players have brought to Nigeria for coming third. He also questioned the minister's decision for compensate Oruma after he was robbed.

Tony Ubani sounds like a has a massive grudge.

the man TONY UBANI is nothing but a frustrated man.... is is a sinking fund in totality. So he wants those players to go home in tears after loosing their money when they were serving their father land. I am sure he we not even appreciate if they die (God forbid) in the course of doing their nation proud. TU must be a bad manager and I know he will never rise to be one cus whatever he will be asked to manage we go 'Bankruptcy'

MI5 · Post by **MI5** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:15 pm

The same sad tale continues... Infact they were hoping for the team to lose and they keep the money. Kaii this guys are nothing but crooks and will remain crooks always... No matter what happened and all the players did the best they could and instead of joining hands to take this team to the next level they are worried about the money they paid to them... Win, lose or draw they deserve something for their gallant efforts...

deanotito · Post by **deanotito** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:16 pm

I dont thin they should be paid anything for a loss....thats just my opinion....but if they have agreed b4, then so be it.

oloye · Post by **oloye** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:33 pm

For every tournament the SE attends, they get paid the folowing allowances
1. Daily Estacode allowance. I dont know how much it is these days, but this is paid for every team, that travels out of the country for a tournament, competition or match.
2. Match bonuses are paid for the following results
- For winning a match(100%)
- For a Draw(50%)
- Loss, well to the best of my knowledge the whole idea of bonus is to encourage winning, so i am not sure if there is any pre-agreed rate for losing a match.
But hey i have seen sports officials who because they are impressed by the performance of the boys,(based on their own criteria and discretion) still shell out the dough.

While i may want to say it is ok, mmmmmm my 6th sense says this is another avenue for trouble , the issue of allowance has been a boiling point for ages with the SE, i believe at a point in time it was agreed to draw an agreement on what to pay.
While we may hail this payment, i shudder when i think of a scenario when we will take a team to a disastrous outing, and the players will clamour to be paid for losing matches, citing a precedent laid by this sports minister. Welcome back to the dark ages of fights over allowances in the camp.
Morally speaking i see no reason to pay any money for a loss, you cannot explain to anyone or anywhere. It defeats the whole idea of bonus, bonus is meant to motivate excellence , it is meant to drive people to winning heights, not to encourage loss.
If i know i will get the same amount i will get for a draw as when i lose, hey i might as well settle for a loss. It may be ok today, but i am not worried about today, it is tommorrow i am worried about. Tommorrow when Sambawa will not be the sports minister, may be some principled man trying to do a decent job, but will find out his efforts were all compromised by someone who did not think well before acting.
It is tommorrow i am thinking of , because in my country we only think today, that is why we are having all the troubles we have in every phase of our lives as a country. I rest my case.

goldfeet2 · Post by **goldfeet2** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:07 pm

No one ever wins with Nigerians. The writer must be sleeping throughout the tournament for not realising that the team actually played well, and we need to take it further by encouraging them towards 2010. Infact this is a young team with a young management that if properly handled will bring laurels to our nation in the near future. We use to criticize the minister for not paying the players b4 and now some deluded folks are castigating him for same. Infact I say CONGRATS Mr Minister. We expected more from the ANC but so also do other nations. SE did not play badly on the whole but we expected too much too soon from these young boys. If they dont go the Yak wa, the sky will be their limit

Ayo Akinfe · Post by **Ayo Akinfe** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:09 pm

Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000

Vindave · Post by **Vindave** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:28 pm

Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000

so there is even bonus for loosing too - and what the minister just did was to add $500 to the $2000 to boost them ahead of the last game... Our people nor go let go self.

Somebody almost sent his wife packing for not being able to give birth to a child, and when the woman finally gave birth after God has answer her prayer - given birth to a set of TRIPPLET, the man fainted and started calling people to help him saying "this woman wan kill me o!!! pls. help, I need help!!! before I die."

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:30 pm

Vindave wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000
so there is even bonus for loosing too - and what the minister just did was to add $500 to the $2000 to boost them ahead of the last game... Our people nor go let go self.

Somebody almost sent his wife packing for not being able to give birth to a child, and when the woman finally gave birth after God has answer her prayer - given birth to a set of TRIPPLET, the man fainted and started calling people to help him saying "this woman wan kill me o!!! pls. help, I need help!!! before I die."

won't be surprised if according to Tony's math teacher, 50% of $5000 is $2000.

oloye · Post by **oloye** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:32 pm

Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000

Correct me Ayo i may be obsolete on this matters, the appearance fee , will that be for every match or for showing up for the tournament ?.

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:35 pm

oloye wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000
Correct me Ayo i may be obsolete on this matters, the appearance fee , will that be for every match or for showing up for the tournament ?.

It's for every match.

oloye · Post by **oloye** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:42 pm

Oba wrote:
oloye wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000
Correct me Ayo i may be obsolete on this matters, the appearance fee , will that be for every match or for showing up for the tournament ?.
It's for every match.

No qualms then if it is agreed they will be paid that amount regardless, hey who cares then. What is the beef with the reporter. Back then there was no dough for losing, bonus was meant to inspire winning.
They should make the difference between a draw and a loss much wider.

Kenovski · Post by **Kenovski** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:58 pm

Tony Ubani is a foolish monkey!!!

You know what?

Since the SE didn't win, the Vanguard should half his estacode for his Eygpt assignment, after all we don't want to encourage 'bronze medal reporting' in our journalists either!!!

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:04 pm

oloye wrote:
Oba wrote:
oloye wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:Bonuses are normally agreed before the competition. It goes something like this:

Win - $5,000
Draw - $2,500
Appearance (ie. lose) - $2,000
Correct me Ayo i may be obsolete on this matters, the appearance fee , will that be for every match or for showing up for the tournament ?.
It's for every match.
No qualms then if it is agreed they will be paid that amount regardless, hey who cares then. What is the beef with the reporter. Back then there was no dough for losing, bonus was meant to inspire winning.
They should make the difference between a draw and a loss much wider.

I cannot confirm Ayo Akinfe's figures although it looks very much like what I had previously seen. That said, from my experience, it's a more powerful motivation (contrary to intuition), rewarding effort and not just the result. Things like monetary payment are "demotivators" ie. if it is not there, it would destroy moralle, while if it is there, it doesn't do much more than maintain the status quo.

Many of these players earn more than $15,000 a week. So the prospect of earning an extra $3,000 is not going to make the difference between wanting to go for the win.

The search for glory (ie winning in itself and becoming champions) is the primary motivation for athletes. If there's a percieved sense of lack of appreciation for their efforts (ie I come in today and say, sorry I'm not going to give you your allowance or that, you did not put in enough effort, so I'm not going to give you the peanut allowances you get anyways) this would be a major demotivator... it would cause discontent and anger and distraction. That is the purpose of paying allowances... to seem nice and seem encouraging and supporting of their quest. The true motivator itself is the quest for victory.

Now, it's a different thing if you offer a huge bonus like "win the world cup and get $5million" that 1 payment of $5million at the end of it all is the motivator.

Oba · Post by **Oba** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:04 pm

Kenovski wrote:Tony Ubani is a foolish monkey!!!

You know what?

Since the SE didn't win, the Vanguard should half his estacode for his Eygpt assignment, after all we don't want to encourage 'bronze medal reporting' in our journalists either!!!

craze man