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wazobia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:48 pm

AreaDaddy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:57 pm

wazobia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:12 pm

airwolex wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:05 pm

wazobia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:26 pm I don’t think the top 5-6 teams are the same for every World Cup cycle. The point remains that Europe’s many places is often justified by the performances and results. It might look a little different if you look at performances by the teams that are below the top tier.

But they have many entrants nah. A lot of tournament play is luck, and the more entrants you have the more your chances.

Plus, a lot of these competitions are mainly played in Europe, and there is clearly an advantage in that.

At the end of the day, if you added Egypt, Nigeria, Algeria, CIV, and maybe even Zambia to this WC, Africa's chances will go up. They are certainly as good or better than many Nations there

I agree. A lot of the arguments made to justify the places Europe has compared with Africa for example are not fair IMHO. 2026 make up of teams will go some way towards addressing the imbalance

WC 2026 could be a total mess if FIFA sticks with its plan of 3 team groups as per the utter shame of Germany and Austria back then colluding to eliminate a great Algerian team

Germany and Austria colluded in a 4 team group game in 1982. Incidentally that World Cup also had a second round with 3 team groups which was exciting. The only issue I can see is the possibility of a dead rubber final group game between the two teams that lost if a team wins the first two games

The potential of a dead rubber final match will likely be prevented by this rule from the 1982 World Cup second round:
though the fixtures were provisionally determined in advance, the teams competing in each fixture depended on the result of the opening match in each group: Should a team lose their opening game of the group, that team would then have to play in the second fixture against the team not playing in the opening group game; the winner of the opening game would, by contrast, be rewarded by not needing to play again until the final fixture of the group and therefore gained extra recovery time. If the opening game was a draw, the predetermined order of games would proceed as planned. These regulations helped ensure that the final group games were of importance as no team could already have progressed to the semi-finals by the end of the second fixtures.

You are right it was 4 teams per group. I guess the simultaneous kick off of the last round was the solution at the time.

Should Europe get an additional 3 spots ? They really do not have that many quality teams

and in just 2 weeks , 3 European super powers couldn't break the defense of the Atlas lions

And one European Nations League B-sider went balls deep into the Lion Kings of Terenga. Swings and roundabouts.

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

You never know. Born and raised in France didn’t give him the speed nor the football talent. He was born with that. But the talent was developed in France.

Finidi Geroge was born and raised in Nigeria and he became one of the best players in the world during his prime.

When was Finidi George's prime? '93-98? Ajax more than Betis perhaps. Did George not confess, his failure to be recognised as the best in Africa, was due to the talent pool at the time. To have been amongst the best in the world is quite simply, Cyberian gibberish. Brilliant though he was, he most certainly wasn't in the World's top 10 during any of those years.

airwolex wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:05 pm

wazobia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:26 pm I don’t think the top 5-6 teams are the same for every World Cup cycle. The point remains that Europe’s many places is often justified by the performances and results. It might look a little different if you look at performances by the teams that are below the top tier.

But they have many entrants nah. A lot of tournament play is luck, and the more entrants you have the more your chances.

Plus, a lot of these competitions are mainly played in Europe, and there is clearly an advantage in that.

At the end of the day, if you added Egypt, Nigeria, Algeria, CIV, and maybe even Zambia to this WC, Africa's chances will go up. They are certainly as good or better than many Nations there

I agree on the home soil part, but not the other one. The more teams one confederation has, the more group stage exits should be expected. Take Central and North America, 3 out of 4 teams went home. I doubt if they had 13 teams present, the ration of teams advancing would increase.

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

The internet is precisely the place to say the dumbest things. George Weah, Roga Milla, Sam Eto’o, Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, Victor Osimhen and the other great African football players were all born and raised in Europe, abi? I hope you don’t say such stupid things in your workplace. If you do, you won’t have a very long and productive career


Cheers.

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:34 pm

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

The internet is precisely the place to say the dumbest things. George Weah, Roga Milla, Sam Eto’o, Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, Victor Osimhen and the other great African football players were all born and raised in Europe, abi? I hope you don’t say such stupid things in your workplace. If you do, you won’t have a very long and productive career


Cheers.

can you imagine, the new lie they now spread . kai this was a good rebuttal ...

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

THAT'S A GREAT POINT!!!!!......

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:34 pm

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

The internet is precisely the place to say the dumbest things. George Weah, Roga Milla, Sam Eto’o, Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, Victor Osimhen and the other great African football players were all born and raised in Europe, abi? I hope you don’t say such stupid things in your workplace. If you do, you won’t have a very long and productive career


Cheers.

I didn't say he wouldn't be a great player, I just said he wouldn't be who he is. The truth is all those players you mentioned would have been 2x the players they were if they were raised in Europe.

The fact that weak European teams have profited from the sweat of 4-5 top teams in Europe is undeniable. It is not just in earning World Cup spots but also in FIFA rankings. This very point has been made for years now but has been repeatedly ignored by FIFA.

mate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:01 pm I think Croatia is a very good European football team. We've beaten Germany, Argentina, Spain, Holland, Denmark, England, and Italy at the World Cup or European Championship. Sometimes deep into the competition. We've only been competing in the World Cup since 1998 as an independent country, where we not only made it but took 3rd place. Obviously we're current vice champion, 2nd in 2018.

Keep in mind Croatia also convincingly beat Cameroon and Nigeria at the World Cup.

So is Croatia really in the same category as Serbia, Switzerland, and Wales? I'm not saying we're special, but I like to think we're better than these countries. Just saying...since you mentioned Croatia.

You’re being too modest. You called it.
Croatia IS special!

kalani JR wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:16 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:34 pm

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

The internet is precisely the place to say the dumbest things. George Weah, Roga Milla, Sam Eto’o, Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, Victor Osimhen and the other great African football players were all born and raised in Europe, abi? I hope you don’t say such stupid things in your workplace. If you do, you won’t have a very long and productive career


Cheers.

I didn't say he wouldn't be a great player, I just said he wouldn't be who he is. The truth is all those players you mentioned would have been 2x the players they were if they were raised in Europe.

...you talk true. Many here on CE, in Nigeria, and Africa in general have always agreed not to admit to our failings.
We have good and great players but poor administrators who cannot administer, coach and groom the players.
Likewise we have good and great medical doctors, engineers, financial enterprenuers, etc, but very poor government to encourage them.

kalani JR wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:16 pm

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:34 pm

kalani JR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:07 pm

return2k2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:02 pm Everybody knows that African players individually are dominating in European Leagues but Africans just seems to have an issue with developing National teams.
Only few European National Teams are exceptional.
Most European National Teams are full of wack players and that's part of why they're recruiting Africans into their squads and they keep trying to get Africa to Naturalize.

Na Cameroonian born man wey score for Switzerland against Cameroon.

Na Black man wey score goal number 3 for portugal against Ghana

France leading striker Mbape be Cameroonian man

and so on and so fort

If Kylian was born and raised in Cameroon he wouldn't be the player he is today.

The internet is precisely the place to say the dumbest things. George Weah, Roga Milla, Sam Eto’o, Jay Jay Okocha, Nwankwo Kanu, Victor Osimhen and the other great African football players were all born and raised in Europe, abi? I hope you don’t say such stupid things in your workplace. If you do, you won’t have a very long and productive career


Cheers.

I didn't say he wouldn't be a great player, I just said he wouldn't be who he is. The truth is all those players you mentioned would have been 2x the players they were if they were raised in Europe.

And you know this because..............................

One would be right to conclude that every player born and raised in Europe turned out to be great????

Damunk wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:35 pm

mate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:01 pm I think Croatia is a very good European football team. We've beaten Germany, Argentina, Spain, Holland, Denmark, England, and Italy at the World Cup or European Championship. Sometimes deep into the competition. We've only been competing in the World Cup since 1998 as an independent country, where we not only made it but took 3rd place. Obviously we're current vice champion, 2nd in 2018.

Keep in mind Croatia also convincingly beat Cameroon and Nigeria at the World Cup.

So is Croatia really in the same category as Serbia, Switzerland, and Wales? I'm not saying we're special, but I like to think we're better than these countries. Just saying...since you mentioned Croatia.

You’re being too modest. You called it.
Croatia IS special!

Thanks man. I am having fun with another great Croatian run. Jokes aside, I know we're not tier 1 until we win it all. I dream of this...but man there are 2 more games for this dream.

Ah I wish to God we had but 1 good forward. Just 1! That will be our downfall.

Argentina, France, and Portugal of the remaining teams can score a few goals a game.

mate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:54 pm

Damunk wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:35 pm

mate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:01 pm I think Croatia is a very good European football team. We've beaten Germany, Argentina, Spain, Holland, Denmark, England, and Italy at the World Cup or European Championship. Sometimes deep into the competition. We've only been competing in the World Cup since 1998 as an independent country, where we not only made it but took 3rd place. Obviously we're current vice champion, 2nd in 2018.

Keep in mind Croatia also convincingly beat Cameroon and Nigeria at the World Cup.

So is Croatia really in the same category as Serbia, Switzerland, and Wales? I'm not saying we're special, but I like to think we're better than these countries. Just saying...since you mentioned Croatia.

You’re being too modest. You called it.
Croatia IS special!

Thanks man. I am having fun with another great Croatian run. Jokes aside, I know we're not tier 1 until we win it all. I dream of this...but man there are 2 more games for this dream.

Ah I wish to God we had but 1 good forward. Just 1! That will be our downfall.

Argentina, France, and Portugal of the remaining teams can score a few goals a game.

Well, Portugal are half way to the airport as we speak.
I hope they get there in the next 45 minutes, plus go-slow time.