Mexico 1 vs Holland 2.....coach's naiveness 'kills' Mexico

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

Really Kolinzo, really? Okay o!

[African Star]

If that was a pk against CIV then this most definitely was. Robben is a beast and the most fearful forward at this wc, no defender in the world can stop him one on one. Those blaming Marquezsshould remember what he did to the Spanish defense. He is my player of the tournament so far and today he put Holland on his back and carried them to victory. There are very few players in the world who have that ability, almost every time he touched the ball he was dangerous.

[green4life]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Quick question: is every challenge in the box a pk?

[mate]

I cannot believe that someone said that Mexico was punching above their weight.
Mexicans can hold their heads high in defeat.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that like Bo, Mexico knows football.

I agree that Mexico knows football. But I want to reiterate that it is BS to say they should hold their heads high or that they tried. Getting to second round is not an achievement for Mexico. They get there all the time. An improvement would have been a quarter final. They are still mentally weak on this stage.

Yes, Hererra ultimately blinked. He succumbed psychologically. He just couldn't believe that Mexico could maintain enough initiative and went bunker. That Dos Santos sub especially was infuriating.

I also acknowledge that Mexico happened to get perhaps 1 of the 2 strongest teams in this tournament. In spite of what seems to me that false penalty at the end, I congratulate Holland. They were cool, disciplined, and patiently took their opportunities.

I actually said at the start that the Dutch would lay back and then press in the final 20 minutes...conserving their energy and trying to tire Mexico...which is how it panned out.

BTW: did you think that was a penalty at the end? I still don't.

Cheers, Mate

[mate]

If that was a pk against CIV then this most definitely was. Robben is a beast and the most fearful forward at this wc, no defender in the world can stop him one on one. Those blaming Marquezsshould remember what he did to the Spanish defense. He is my player of the tournament so far and today he put Holland on his back and carried them to victory. There are very few players in the world who have that ability, almost every time he touched the ball he was dangerous.

I give kudos the beast that is Robben.

But on that penalty, he was not a beast, but a cheating ballerina.

Cheers, Mate

[African Star]

If that was a pk against CIV then this most definitely was. Robben is a beast and the most fearful forward at this wc, no defender in the world can stop him one on one. Those blaming Marquezsshould remember what he did to the Spanish defense. He is my player of the tournament so far and today he put Holland on his back and carried them to victory. There are very few players in the world who have that ability, almost every time he touched the ball he was dangerous.

I give kudos the beast that is Robben.

But on that penalty, he was not a beast, but a cheating ballerina.

Cheers, Mate

You are just shedding Concacaf tears, your dream of 3 teams in the final 8 just got dashed. That was a clip and a foul plus the ref knew he had missed a clear pk on Robben in the first half, how many breaks should Concacaf have in this wc, CIV didn't get a break.

[spastic]

Pk. I knew it. Robben. Took a dive a usual. Wharrever

not sure why many folks did not see it was a clear dive

Holland was robbed of a clear pk in the first half....right?

Are you advocating rewarding a dive with a PK to make up for an alleged non-call?

No but for a fair game.

Stopping at "No" leaves your reputation intact...

Chief, why you come dey sound like me from a few years back. Just dishing out underG insults left and right.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Is tackling in the box forbidden? Does tackle + dive = PK?

Chief why you dey yab like this.. tackling is not the same as fouling.. Yes fouling in the box is forbidden=PK

[kolinzo]

I cannot believe that someone said that Mexico was punching above their weight.
Mexicans can hold their heads high in defeat.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that like Bo, Mexico knows football.

I agree that Mexico knows football. But I want to reiterate that it is BS to say they should hold their heads high or that they tried. Getting to second round is not an achievement for Mexico. They get there all the time. An improvement would have been a quarter final. They are still mentally weak on this stage.

Yes, Hererra ultimately blinked. He succumbed psychologically. He just couldn't believe that Mexico could maintain enough initiative and went bunker. That Dos Santos sub especially was infuriating.

I also acknowledge that Mexico happened to get perhaps 1 of the 2 strongest teams in this tournament. In spite of what seems to me that false penalty at the end, I congratulate Holland. They were cool, disciplined, and patiently took their opportunities.

I actually said at the start that the Dutch would lay back and then press in the final 20 minutes...conserving their energy and trying to tire Mexico...which is how it panned out.

BTW: did you think that was a penalty at the end? I still don't.

Cheers, Mate

Hererra did a good job. I can't agree with people blaming his subs. Dos Santos was subbed off in the last game and Mexico went on to score 3 goals. Hererra still brought on Aquino, Mexicans darling, and he did a great job keeping the dutch defence back. What killed Mexico is not the overlapping of Dutch defense because they couldn't afford to do that as Aquino kept them honest, what killed them was the corner kicks. Dutch were killing them over and over again!!

Anyway, I also told this board before the WC started that Netherlands is not a TRUE #15 -it is deceiving- and somebody told me I was yarning opaks. I also told people who are holding on to "weather factor" as the reason why many European teams have exited this tournament and why the AMericas are winning that they were mistaking. It isn't. A team that does its homework the correct way will always pass.

Was that a penalty? It was a fifty fifty call. It could have gone the way of Mexico and not for Netherlands. You can't blame the ref on this one. Marquez of all people should have stood his ground. Fifty fifty call.

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

Na wa o! Mexico vs Dutch don split CE straight down the middle. If na Nigeria or African team now, we'd be screaming blue murder.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Pk. I knew it. Robben. Took a dive a usual. Wharrever

not sure why many folks did not see it was a clear dive

Holland was robbed of a clear pk in the first half....right?

Are you advocating rewarding a dive with a PK to make up for an alleged non-call?

No but for a fair game.

Stopping at "No" leaves your reputation intact...

Chief, why you come dey sound like me from a few years back. Just dishing out underG insults left and right.

CE na unique place o either you respond to people as appropriate, or you let frustration take over you. Nothing as frustrating as folks not even knowing what they are arguing for or against.

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

By this time on Monday Nigeria would be...

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

By this time on Monday Nigeria would be...

jubilating!

[femibyte]

Robben robbed an entire nation of its dream. #RobbedByRobben

[txj]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Quick question: is every challenge in the box a pk?

No sir!

But every foul in the box that is so recognized by the ref is a PK

Now can u pls answer my question...

[zee]

I cannot believe that someone said that Mexico was punching above their weight.
Mexicans can hold their heads high in defeat.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that like Bo, Mexico knows football.

I agree that Mexico knows football. But I want to reiterate that it is BS to say they should hold their heads high or that they tried. Getting to second round is not an achievement for Mexico. They get there all the time. An improvement would have been a quarter final. They are still mentally weak on this stage.

Yes, Hererra ultimately blinked. He succumbed psychologically. He just couldn't believe that Mexico could maintain enough initiative and went bunker. That Dos Santos sub especially was infuriating.

I also acknowledge that Mexico happened to get perhaps 1 of the 2 strongest teams in this tournament. In spite of what seems to me that false penalty at the end, I congratulate Holland. They were cool, disciplined, and patiently took their opportunities.

I actually said at the start that the Dutch would lay back and then press in the final 20 minutes...conserving their energy and trying to tire Mexico...which is how it panned out.

BTW: did you think that was a penalty at the end? I still don't.

Cheers, Mate

Hererra did a good job. I can't agree with people blaming his subs. Dos Santos was subbed off in the last game and Mexico went on to score 3 goals. Hererra still brought on Aquino, Mexicans darling, and he did a great job keeping the dutch defence back. What killed Mexico is not the overlapping of Dutch defense because they couldn't afford to do that as Aquino kept them honest, what killed them was the corner kicks. Dutch were killing them over and over again!!

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You are just a 'normal' football 'viewer' ...............Just spurting(analysing ) it like any TV viewer.
So it was the 'overlapping and corner kicks' that killed Mexico .....................like Cicob said somewhere.............'you are talking about the effects while forgetting what caused it'.
But then you are a ................'normal' football viewer

[kalani JR]

It was a penalty, Marquez made a reckless challenge and there was contact. Robben should have received a booking for simulation, but it was a penalty.

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

By this time on Monday Nigeria would be...

jubilating!

I pray so my brother. We just need to do the simple things, such as not being selfish when a team mate is better positioned, think quickly, no stupid fouls near or inside the box, unforced errors/give-away and communication (GK and defence especially).

Bring it on!!!!

[maceo4]

It was a penalty, Marquez made a reckless challenge and there was contact. Robben should have received a booking for simulation, but it was a penalty.

Its a PK but Robben should get a YC?

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Quick question: is every challenge in the box a pk?

No sir!

But every foul in the box that is so recognized by the ref is a PK

Now can u pls answer my question...

you already answered his question when you said "no sir". Second sentence has no bearing.

But if you must insist, ....indirect freekicks (not PKs) can be given in the box for certain fouls.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

It was a penalty, Marquez made a reckless challenge and there was contact. Robben should have received a booking for simulation, but it was a penalty.

Its a PK but Robben should get a YC?

[kalani JR]

It was a penalty, Marquez made a reckless challenge and there was contact. Robben should have received a booking for simulation, but it was a penalty.

Its a PK but Robben should get a YC?

Yes. I don't believe there is rule against that. You award the foul of the initial offense but punish the exaggeration.

[charlie]

Video evidence of Robben's clear dive