Cybereagles

green4life wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:14 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:13 pm

chamforna wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm BeIN sports are now talking in terms of a Muslim team.......

There we go …

Predictable. It's just getting warmed up

If Morocco wins the WC, CAF what?

AreaDaddy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:18 pm There are Moroccans players right now celebrating with the Berber flag, those players do not consider themselves Arab.

Morocco in this cup will represent many things, African, Arab, Berber, Muslim, non top tier and will cheered on by many.

As we say success has many fathers..

Thank you.

You have explained it much better than I could.

AreaDaddy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:18 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

There are Moroccans players right now celebrating with the Berber flag, those players do not consider themselves Arab.

Morocco in this cup will represent many things, African, Arab, Berber, Muslim, non top tier and will cheered on by many.

As we say success has many fathers..

I have a very good friend of almost 20 years who is Berber. I am familiar with the history She was not even confident that they would qualify from the group.

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

They are African...and whatever else they want to be.

But 1st and foremost...they are MOROCCO!!!

Big statement today.

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

Sounds like chasing a woman who doesn’t care that much for you….

Boom!!

I don't understand this at all. You guys do know that being Arab and African are not mutually exclusive right? Any more than being Yoruba and African is mutually exclusive. Just because "they feel" Arab (whatever that means) doesn't make them any less African. Arab is ethniticiy/culture that spans multiple region of the world and the fact shows that Morocco is a country inside of the African continent. End of!

Moroccans are not arabs, they are North Africans. They'd stone you if you call them arabs especially the ones speaking Berber and not Arabic. They were conquered by arabs and anyone of them considering themselves arabs are just products of arabisation (if that's a word). None the less, they are Africans.

Best African performance since Cameroon 1990 (possibly Nigeria 1994, but Nigeria went out earlier, despite playing dominant football).

marutimon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:33 pm Best African performance since Cameroon 1990 (possibly Nigeria 1994, but Nigeria went out earlier, despite playing dominant football).

What about Ghana and Senegal QF?

SylverEagles wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:30 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

Sounds like chasing a woman who doesn’t care that much for you….

Boom!!

I don't understand this at all. You guys do know that being Arab and African are not mutually exclusive right? Any more than being Yoruba and African is mutually exclusive. Just because "they feel" Arab (whatever that means) doesn't make them any less African. Arab is ethniticiy/culture that spans multiple region of the world and the fact shows that Morocco is a country inside of the African continent. End of!

Chief I’m not claiming any expertise but just seeking information from those who are more informed.
But when you hear words like this is a great day for the Arab world rather than Africa, from supposedly informed sources then it leads to questions.

My whole thing is why identify with people who don’t want to be identified with you?
Not saying that is the case with Morocco.
But my maternal side suffered greatly under Franco.
They only claim to be Spanish when La Roja is playing, and mainly when they are winning

Other than that they would stone you calling them a part of Franco’s empire…

fabio wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:35 pm

marutimon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:33 pm Best African performance since Cameroon 1990 (possibly Nigeria 1994, but Nigeria went out earlier, despite playing dominant football).

What about Ghana and Senegal QF?

Ghana didn't win group. And had relatively easy opponents apart from Germany. Morocco best Belgium, world nr 2, now Spain, won their group and played an even match with 2018 finalists.

Senegal beat France, but apart from that weren't really impressive.

In terms of quality of football I put them ahead of Senegal and Ghana. Ghana is the closest any African team has been to a semifinal though.

Nigeria 1994 and Cameroon 1990 are my top teams, because they played like equals against the best teams in the world and outplayed them.

One football self-anointed expert will conveniently forget when this coach took over.

Let me remind him that the coach took over on the 31st of August after winning the African champions league in May.

fabio wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:35 pm

marutimon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:33 pm Best African performance since Cameroon 1990 (possibly Nigeria 1994, but Nigeria went out earlier, despite playing dominant football).

What about Ghana and Senegal QF?

ghana no count

marutimon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:33 pm Best African performance since Cameroon 1990 (possibly Nigeria 1994, but Nigeria went out earlier, despite playing dominant football).

This is Africa's best ever world cup showing
All teams have wins
Only one team was 4th in group
Two were third (and could have been 2nd)
One was second and one won the group
2 made it to round of 16
One made it to QF

---so far!!!

This is a great achievement for a continent that is naive and can't play football

Cellular wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:45 pm One football self-anointed expert will conveniently forget when this coach took over.

Let me remind him that the coach took over on the 31st of August after winning the African champions league in May.

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

KPOM. I am not worried about what they consider themselves and I am pretty sure they are not concerned with what we call ourselves.

Cellular wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:45 pm One football self-anointed expert will conveniently forget when this coach took over.

Let me remind him that the coach took over on the 31st of August after winning the African champions league in May.

Una sabi find trouble sha

SylverEagles wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:30 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:09 pm

Donzman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:02 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:57 pm Is it an accident or is there something to the fact that commentators keep saying the Arab world and not the African world are celebrating Morocco’s success?

Wonder whether those North African nations consider themselves more Arabian than African

They are both.

Morocco consider themselves Arab first, European next and African only when convenient.
Even their 2010 Africa World Cup bid was declined for being unAfrican.

I do not think this is a debate we want to have, but there are some who consider themselves African and others consider themselves Arab, and others consider both.

They also play in CAF so is an African Federation.

Sounds like chasing a woman who doesn’t care that much for you….

Boom!!

I don't understand this at all. You guys do know that being Arab and African are not mutually exclusive right? Any more than being Yoruba and African is mutually exclusive. Just because "they feel" Arab (whatever that means) doesn't make them any less African. Arab is ethniticiy/culture that spans multiple region of the world and the fact shows that Morocco is a country inside of the African continent. End of!

Kinda right but an oversimplification.

From Wikipedia - Moroccans are primarily of Arab and Berber origin as in other neighbouring countries in the Maghreb.[3][4][1] Arabs make up 44% of the population of Morocco, Arabized Berbers make up 24%, Berbers make up 21%, the Baydhan make up 10%, and others make up 1%.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Morocco

I suspect the Arabs referred to here are Bedouins.

fabio wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:10 pm

ohsee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:06 pm

wanaj0 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:58 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:55 pm I cannot believe how bad Spao and Japan are at penalties.

Spain was NOT bad at penalties. Give credit to the Moroccan keeper. He failed to commit himself. He was calm and composed.

My bros, Bono knows all those Spanish players. He plays in La Liga for Sevilla. His entire decade-long career has been in La Liga, playing for five Spanish clubs. I am sure the penarity takers knew it, and it contributed to their inability to score. But yes, Bono is excellent. And most importantly, a team that depends on defending MUST practice penalty kicks rigorously. Which the evidence suggests the Moroccans did.

No. They picked their penalty kickers at the huddle after the FT, according to someone here. They just called out names and they response was YES SIR.

Chief, that they picked guys at the huddle does not mean that the team did not practice PKs rigorously in training. It is possible that they had already picked the guys beforehand, or that most of the team was good at PKs in practice.

felarey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:32 pm Moroccans are not arabs, they are North Africans. They'd stone you if you call them arabs especially the ones speaking Berber and not Arabic. They were conquered by arabs and anyone of them considering themselves arabs are just products of arabisation (if that's a word). None the less, they are Africans.

Once again, you have shown that you travel wide and read widely.

Cellular wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:45 pm One football self-anointed expert will conveniently forget when this coach took over.

Let me remind him that the coach took over on the 31st of August after winning the African champions league in May.

Why you dey always find TxJ trouble? Uncle, in some quarters, they will call you Agbaya. But you are our Uncle, and we respect our Uncle in our culture. So we will just call you, Uncle.

AreaDaddy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:55 pm

smallpikin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:52 pm I see this Morocco making it to the semis

So do I.

Chief, they may be tired after this game and won't be able to chase the ball like they did with Spain. Anyway, here I go again doubting them. I wish them semis and better, final.

ohsee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:07 pm

fabio wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:10 pm

ohsee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:06 pm

wanaj0 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:58 pm

Kabalega wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:55 pm I cannot believe how bad Spao and Japan are at penalties.

Spain was NOT bad at penalties. Give credit to the Moroccan keeper. He failed to commit himself. He was calm and composed.

My bros, Bono knows all those Spanish players. He plays in La Liga for Sevilla. His entire decade-long career has been in La Liga, playing for five Spanish clubs. I am sure the penarity takers knew it, and it contributed to their inability to score. But yes, Bono is excellent. And most importantly, a team that depends on defending MUST practice penalty kicks rigorously. Which the evidence suggests the Moroccans did.

No. They picked their penalty kickers at the huddle after the FT, according to someone here. They just called out names and they response was YES SIR.

Chief, that they picked guys at the huddle does not mean that the team did not practice PKs rigorously in training. It is possible that they had already picked the guys beforehand, or that most of the team was good at PKs in practice.

Sorry fabio, I just realized you were being ironic. I am still too excited by this Morocco win that has scrambled my okongwu brain.

danfo driver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:23 pm

Cellular wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:45 pm One football self-anointed expert will conveniently forget when this coach took over.

Let me remind him that the coach took over on the 31st of August after winning the African champions league in May.

Why you dey always find TxJ trouble? Uncle, in some quarters, they will call you Agbaya. But you are our Uncle, and we respect our Uncle in our culture. So we will just call you, Uncle.

Chief, na txj dey find awa trouble, abusing his seniors and betters anyhow. Das why we konk him on top head every now and then to remind him to show respect.