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I am sick of this cheap cowardly way of scoring goals. Score a real goal if you want a goal. Argentina I am looking at you. Mscheww!!!

On edit: In light of suggestions made by the very smart folks on CE, football should borrow a page from basketball and award TWO PKs for a foul in the box, each PK being worth half a goal.

So if you were really going to score, you won’t dive for PKs as you will be less certain of converting both than just trying to score a regular goal.

On another edit: Forget the half goals. You get 2 PKs for each foul against you in the box but if you miss any of them you get 0 goals. If you score both, you get two goals. How is that idea?

This shifts PKs into better risk reward territory. If your team is up 1-0 in the 90th minute and you commit a foul in the box, if the other team makes both their PKs, your team will go from being up 1-0 to being down 1-2. The risk of that will keep defenders honest.

On the other side of the equation, if you are down 0-1 in the 90th minute and you have a real chance to score, you would probably take it rather than accept being awarded PKs where you have to score BOTH Pks to get the 2 goals.

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:29 pm I am sick of this cheap cowardly way of scoring goals. Score a real goal if you want a goal. Argentina I am looking at you. Mscheww!!!

You have a solid point, specially about Argentina at this WC. I counted two penalties that should not have been.

Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Considering the actual score of the England v France game should be 1/2 v 2, I can see why you are pained

Harry Harry Kaneeeeeee!

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Oga you have been hiding in dat loo wey no get wata for too long.

Scores in dat game were tied at 1-1 before the PK was given. Is 1.5 equal to 1?

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:29 pm

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Oga you have been hiding in dat loo wey no get wata for too long.

Scores in dat game were tied at 1-1 before the PK was given. Is 1.5 equal to 1?

Scipio, I believe Coach has a valid point. Ghana had a goal that was prevented via a foul. To replace that would-be goal with half a goal means rewarding fouls that can half the value of a goal.

And if Uruguay had been up 2-1 at that point, then what Suarez did becomes even more pragmatic if all Ghana will get from his audacious foul is a half goal.

danfo driver wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:19 pm

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Considering the actual score of the England v France game should be 1/2 v 2, I can see why you are pained

Harry Harry Kaneeeeeee!

theDunamis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:40 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:29 pm

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Oga you have been hiding in dat loo wey no get wata for too long.

Scores in dat game were tied at 1-1 before the PK was given. Is 1.5 equal to 1?

Scipio, I believe Coach has a valid point. Ghana had a goal that was prevented via a foul. To replace that would-be goal with half a goal means rewarding fouls that can half the value of a goal.

And if Uruguay had been up 2-1 at that point, then what Suarez did becomes even more pragmatic if all Ghana will get from his audacious foul is a half goal.

Ah I see. This is not the first rule change I suggested In that particular Suarez case, it would have been unfair to Ghana to have a 100% chance of scoring (ball was clearly going in before Suarez .. erm .. intervened) reduced to a 50% chance of scoring a PK. In that case the ref should have simply awarded a goal to Ghana. A regular goal

theDunamis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:40 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:29 pm

Coach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 pm Supposing Ghana scored the penalty vs Uruguay (Suarez), a clear goal scoring opportunity denied, now redeemed at 50% the value? Nonsense

Oga you have been hiding in dat loo wey no get wata for too long.

Scores in dat game were tied at 1-1 before the PK was given. Is 1.5 equal to 1?

Scipio, I believe Coach has a valid point. Ghana had a goal that was prevented via a foul. To replace that would-be goal with half a goal means rewarding fouls that can half the value of a goal.

And if Uruguay had been up 2-1 at that point, then what Suarez did becomes even more pragmatic if all Ghana will get from his audacious foul is a half goal.

You guys just gave me an idea. Football should borrow a page from basketball and award TWO PKs for a foul in the box, each PK being worth half a goal.

So if you were really going to score, you won’t dive for PKs as you will be less certain of converting both than just trying to score a regular goal.

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:29 pm I am sick of this cheap cowardly way of scoring goals. Score a real goal if you want a goal. Argentina I am looking at you. Mscheww!!!

On edit: In light of suggestions made by the very smart folks on CE, football should borrow a page from basketball and award TWO PKs for a foul in the box, each PK being worth half a goal.

So if you were really going to score, you won’t dive for PKs as you will be less certain of converting both than just trying to score a regular goal.

On another edit: Forget the half goals. You get 2 PKs for each foul against you in the box but if you miss any of them you get 0 goals. If you score both, you get two goals. How is that idea?

In BB, there's no half points.

Maybe 2 PKs for 1 Goal/Point each, Goals inside 18 for 2 Goals/Points, Outside 18 for 3 Goals/Points, FK for 2 Goals/Points. OG for 1 Goal/Point, Outside Opponent Half for 4 Goals/Points.

folem wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:38 pm

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:29 pm I am sick of this cheap cowardly way of scoring goals. Score a real goal if you want a goal. Argentina I am looking at you. Mscheww!!!

On edit: In light of suggestions made by the very smart folks on CE, football should borrow a page from basketball and award TWO PKs for a foul in the box, each PK being worth half a goal.

So if you were really going to score, you won’t dive for PKs as you will be less certain of converting both than just trying to score a regular goal.

On another edit: Forget the half goals. You get 2 PKs for each foul against you in the box but if you miss any of them you get 0 goals. If you score both, you get two goals. How is that idea?

In BB, there's no half points.

Maybe 2 PKs for 1 Goal/Point each, Goals inside 18 for 2 Goals/Points, Outside 18 for 3 Goals/Points, FK for 2 Goals/Points. OG for 1 Goal/Point, Outside Opponent Half for 4 Goals/Points.

Actually in basketball you get 1 point for each converted free throw award after a foul, which is half of the regular 2 points you get for a basket. I think regular goal scoring in soccer is fine. It is the PK part that bugs me. You handle a ball that isn't goal bound, and voila, suddenly the other team has a chance for an awoof goal! Mba.

Hand ball penalties shouldn’t be given unless it’s deliberate. Even when the defender’s arms are away from the body, contact is usually accidental. In the case of a deliberate handball, if the ball was goal bound, the goal should be awarded


Cheers.

At the top flight, penalties are scored 85% of the time. 11% saved and 4% off target or hit the post. Suarez reduced a 100% chance of scoring to 85% not 50%.

The only way to compensate is to count a 100% chance as a goal. Controversy will arise from balls that may have hit the post. Also you’re getting more tech and reviews.

felarey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:05 pm At the top flight, penalties are scored 85% of the time. 11% saved and 4% off target or hit the post. Suarez reduced a 100% chance of scoring to 85% not 50%.

The only way to compensate is to count a 100% chance as a goal. Controversy will arise from balls that may have hit the post. Also you’re getting more tech and reviews.

If it was 100% chance then it must be a goal. It of course cannot be 100% chance.

folem wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:03 pm

felarey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:05 pm At the top flight, penalties are scored 85% of the time. 11% saved and 4% off target or hit the post. Suarez reduced a 100% chance of scoring to 85% not 50%.

The only way to compensate is to count a 100% chance as a goal. Controversy will arise from balls that may have hit the post. Also you’re getting more tech and reviews.

If it was 100% chance then it must be a goal. It of course cannot be 100% chance.

The goal that Suarez prevented with his hands against Ghana in 2010 was 100% going in.

felarey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:42 pm

folem wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:03 pm

felarey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:05 pm At the top flight, penalties are scored 85% of the time. 11% saved and 4% off target or hit the post. Suarez reduced a 100% chance of scoring to 85% not 50%.

The only way to compensate is to count a 100% chance as a goal. Controversy will arise from balls that may have hit the post. Also you’re getting more tech and reviews.

If it was 100% chance then it must be a goal. It of course cannot be 100% chance.

The goal that Suarez prevented with his hands against Ghana in 2010 was 100% going in.

U mean Suarez should have headed the ball out instead of using his hands?