[Euro 2024] England 1 (Kane) Denmark 1 FT

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Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
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But, but, but ... They told us Bellingham was the next coming of Pele. Messi and Maradona combined! :woot: :woot: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :woot: :woot:
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
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green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:39 pm
mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:07 pm :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: How do you take off Harry Kane with over 25 minutes of football left to be played. I thought he was bringing on Ollie Watkins to be a second striker and support on top.
Why did he remove Foden who was their most dangerous player rather than shift him into his normal position with subs entering in the 57th min?

Anyway, I will start Watkins and bring Kane's overall experience off the bench early in the second half around the 60th min mark. He no longer has the legs he used to but he is still sharp in other facets. Bring him on against tiring legs and he should be more effective. Also, Foden should play at his natural position or sit on the bench. Same with Trent and others playing out of position. Southgate doesn't have enough top level experience to implement a philosophy that involves players being played out of their natural positions.


And what did he bring in Eze to do...Neither had rhyme nor reason to the sub. Could've used Gordon to stretch the Danes...
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They are missing Sterling and Rashford. Those were the best performers in the last Euros. Foden is a different kind of player and the likes of Bowen, Gordon, Eze don't have the experience. Without those two guys there's no dynamism and creativity apart from Saka, who is being triple teamed.
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green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:39 pm
mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:07 pm :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: How do you take off Harry Kane with over 25 minutes of football left to be played. I thought he was bringing on Ollie Watkins to be a second striker and support on top.
Why did he remove Foden who was their most dangerous player rather than shift him into his normal position with subs entering in the 57th min?

Anyway, I will start Watkins and bring Kane's overall experience off the bench early in the second half around the 60th min mark. He no longer has the legs he used to but he is still sharp in other facets. Bring him on against tiring legs and he should be more effective. Also, Foden should play at his natural position or sit on the bench. Same with Trent and others playing out of position. Southgate doesn't have enough top level experience to implement a philosophy that involves players being played out of their natural positions.
I saw Ollie coming on and i thought to myself, okay Bellingham would move into CM role, and then Foden will move into his original position and start making moves.

This team needs to either be built around Foden or Bellingham but they need to given a platform or handed reins to move things.

But there is no way you can start Kane from the bench after the season he just had in Bayern..
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green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
Just a headless Chicken who disturbs opposing players. Okay for what he does.

Sterling has been carrying them. They underestimated his impact. You can try to build around Foden and Bellingham but I tell you for free right now, you will fail.
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txj wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:39 pm
mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:07 pm :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: How do you take off Harry Kane with over 25 minutes of football left to be played. I thought he was bringing on Ollie Watkins to be a second striker and support on top.
Why did he remove Foden who was their most dangerous player rather than shift him into his normal position with subs entering in the 57th min?

Anyway, I will start Watkins and bring Kane's overall experience off the bench early in the second half around the 60th min mark. He no longer has the legs he used to but he is still sharp in other facets. Bring him on against tiring legs and he should be more effective. Also, Foden should play at his natural position or sit on the bench. Same with Trent and others playing out of position. Southgate doesn't have enough top level experience to implement a philosophy that involves players being played out of their natural positions.


And what did he bring in Eze to do...Neither had rhyme nor reason to the sub. Could've used Gordon to stretch the Danes...
He has talented players but has no idea on how they fit into whatever idea is in his head. Even the kid, Maino, in midfield alongside Rice will vastly improve their midfield control. The problem is Southgate doesn't seem like he knows how he wants his team to play. Front foot? Controlled midfield play? Low block + Counter? The philosophy is non existent which leaves the players to pretty much adjust on their own - individually. :lol:
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:51 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
Just a headless Chicken who disturbs opposing players. Okay for what he does.

Sterling has been carrying them. They underestimated his impact. You can try to build around Foden and Bellingham but I tell you for free right now, you will fail.
Na why his club never extend his contract. :lol:
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Several head scratchers, removing Foden, your best attacker, midfield of Rice along side Trent didn't work, perhaps Bellingham should play deeper along side Rice? Eze came in and disappeared, perhaps a formation where he sees more of the ball? Guehi was solid but had 2 howlers. With the quality on hand at 1-1, containment over attacking play? Do they realize Slovenia did not lose today? Really a flat performance from England. Southgate needs to figure out what he's doing with Bellingham, Rice and Trent. With all the English midfielders on the planet, not sure why he's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with Trent. Lucky they didn't lose this game, he would have been roasted on a platter.
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:51 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
Just a headless Chicken who disturbs opposing players. Okay for what he does.

Sterling has been carrying them. They underestimated his impact. You can try to build around Foden and Bellingham but I tell you for free right now, you will fail.
Sterling? You’re having a laugh
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mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:48 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:39 pm
mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:07 pm :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: How do you take off Harry Kane with over 25 minutes of football left to be played. I thought he was bringing on Ollie Watkins to be a second striker and support on top.
Why did he remove Foden who was their most dangerous player rather than shift him into his normal position with subs entering in the 57th min?

Anyway, I will start Watkins and bring Kane's overall experience off the bench early in the second half around the 60th min mark. He no longer has the legs he used to but he is still sharp in other facets. Bring him on against tiring legs and he should be more effective. Also, Foden should play at his natural position or sit on the bench. Same with Trent and others playing out of position. Southgate doesn't have enough top level experience to implement a philosophy that involves players being played out of their natural positions.
I saw Ollie coming on and i thought to myself, okay Bellingham would move into CM role, and then Foden will move into his original position and start making moves.

This team needs to either be built around Foden or Bellingham but they need to given a platform or handed reins to move things.

But there is no way you can start Kane from the bench after the season he just had in Bayern..
I agree, but sometimes, you look beyond the numbers. That is the problem Southgate is having. Kane, in 2 games, has been a passenger because he's lost a bit of pace. Yes, he will score every other game but he becomes increasingly ineffective by the end of the first half. If he comes in early in the second half, he will be more impactful. Regardless, he's far from a 90 min player especially when they play every 4 or so days.
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:47 pm They are missing Sterling and Rashford. Those were the best performers in the last Euros. Foden is a different kind of player and the likes of Bowen, Gordon, Eze don't have the experience. Without those two guys there's no dynamism and creativity apart from Saka, who is being triple teamed.
Sterling ke :rotf: think you're still thinking last Euros or his Loserpool days, not this past months in the EPL. Rashford is off form right now but might have shone in this game, atleast he'll run at that defence. On current form Eze and Watkins should be replacing those two, but Southgate didn't give them a chance. The attack was killed off by the Foden removal.
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Sleaky72 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:00 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:51 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
Just a headless Chicken who disturbs opposing players. Okay for what he does.

Sterling has been carrying them. They underestimated his impact. You can try to build around Foden and Bellingham but I tell you for free right now, you will fail.
Sterling? You’re having a laugh
I am no saying he deserved to be in Germany, I am saying they really underestimated his impact. Apart from Kane and Saka, nobody is even close to 10 goals on the team. Goodluck building around Foden or Bellingham. They are club players for me.

England have never played good cohesive football so they are overly reliant on tricky speedsters of which they only have Saka.
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England has a fundamental problem with the way they play. I thought they were improving but this performance is worrisome. For those of you saying coaching, even Capello couldn't do anything with them. Southgate is their best coach since Alf Ramsay. Something is just wrong with them. They made Hojberg look like Kroos today. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm England has a fundamental problem with the way they play. I thought they were improving but this performance is worrisome. For those of you saying coaching, even Capello couldn't do anything with them. Southgate is their best coach since Alf Ramsay. Something is just wrong with them. They made Hojberg look like Kroos today. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:44 pm But, but, but ... They told us Bellingham was the next coming of Pele. Messi and Maradona combined! :woot: :woot: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :woot: :woot:
...sound like been waiting for him and his englanders to screw up to say that :biggrin:
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airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:10 pm
Sleaky72 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:00 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:51 pm
green4life wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:45 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:41 pm Na Southgate is okay. These guys are overhped. When Ericksson and Hojberg dominate you so throroughly you know you are in trouble.

Rice and Jude in particular should take a good look at themselves. Ghuehi and Walker were their best players.

Saka is by far their most important attacking player, shut him down and the rest are tepid.
What of Galladog nko? You no like am? :lol:
Just a headless Chicken who disturbs opposing players. Okay for what he does.

Sterling has been carrying them. They underestimated his impact. You can try to build around Foden and Bellingham but I tell you for free right now, you will fail.
Sterling? You’re having a laugh
I am no saying he deserved to be in Germany, I am saying they really underestimated his impact. Apart from Kane and Saka, nobody is even close to 10 goals on the team. Goodluck building around Foden or Bellingham. They are club players for me.

England have never played good cohesive football so they are overly reliant on tricky speedsters of which they only have Saka.
Huh?
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Wonder which black player's picture their press will use tomorrow morning :lol: :lol:
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:51 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm England has a fundamental problem with the way they play. I thought they were improving but this performance is worrisome. For those of you saying coaching, even Capello couldn't do anything with them. Southgate is their best coach since Alf Ramsay. Something is just wrong with them. They made Hojberg look like Kroos today. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
England play with fear. You can feel it. The weight of many decades of disappointment weigh heavily.
They really do play with fear... after this game, it left me saying I would pick USA over England in any cup finals even with all their names. They just play like a side who is scared to lose.

I think they play better against heavy weights where they are expected to lose and minnows but the good, second tier and dangerous oppositions which you expect to dominate, and even on their off days find a way to beat, they truly mightily against....same way Portugal found a way to win their first game.
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mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:22 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:51 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm England has a fundamental problem with the way they play. I thought they were improving but this performance is worrisome. For those of you saying coaching, even Capello couldn't do anything with them. Southgate is their best coach since Alf Ramsay. Something is just wrong with them. They made Hojberg look like Kroos today. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
England play with fear. You can feel it. The weight of many decades of disappointment weigh heavily.
They really do play with fear... after this game, it left me saying I would pick USA over England in any cup finals even with all their names. They just play like a side who is scared to lose.

I think they play better against heavy weights where they are expected to lose and minnows but the good, second tier and dangerous oppositions which you expect to dominate, and even on their off days find a way to beat, they truly mightily against....same way Portugal found a way to win their first game.
Kpom! You have said it all! Their savage press do not help matters either. They never forgive, and they never forget mistakes by players. Never.
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England has talent, but their fundamental mentality, (physical aggressiveness) and lack of football nuance,
always let them down. Against any gra-gra team, England will dominate. If England is denied the ball
(out possessed), the team start looking clueless. English coaches still find it difficult to adjust to the modern
game of having a creative midfield of talented and creative ball handlers.
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:25 pm
mmeny wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:22 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:51 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm England has a fundamental problem with the way they play. I thought they were improving but this performance is worrisome. For those of you saying coaching, even Capello couldn't do anything with them. Southgate is their best coach since Alf Ramsay. Something is just wrong with them. They made Hojberg look like Kroos today. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
England play with fear. You can feel it. The weight of many decades of disappointment weigh heavily.
They really do play with fear... after this game, it left me saying I would pick USA over England in any cup finals even with all their names. They just play like a side who is scared to lose.

I think they play better against heavy weights where they are expected to lose and minnows but the good, second tier and dangerous oppositions which you expect to dominate, and even on their off days find a way to beat, they truly mightily against....same way Portugal found a way to win their first game.
Kpom! You have said it all! Their savage press do not help matters either. They never forgive, and they never forget mistakes by players. Never.
As usual you’re right on the mark.
In spite of my normal reservations I was optimistic because of so much talent … but once again smh

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