How Guardiola is revolutionizing English football

[Cristao II]

Fulham spent money, a pretty penny and threw a plethora of coaches into the cocktail. Hardly Sex on the Beach, more like Titus Bramble breaking in through the black door and hiding in the bedroom closet.

Quality of squad before spend and quality of players bought. Chelsea, City are now dominant due to monies spent. Pep is no angel* but I doubt that he could get Fulham to win the EPL without monies.

[balo]

Fulham spent money, a pretty penny and threw a plethora of coaches into the cocktail. Hardly Sex on the Beach, more like Titus Bramble breaking in through the black door and hiding in the bedroom closet.

Quality of squad before spend and quality of players bought. Chelsea, City are now dominant due to monies spent. Pep is no angel* but I doubt that he could get Fulham to win the EPL without monies.

Fulham are not ae$thetic enough for Pepe.

[kajifu]

Fulham spent money, a pretty penny and threw a plethora of coaches into the cocktail. Hardly Sex on the Beach, more like Titus Bramble breaking in through the black door and hiding in the bedroom closet.

Quality of squad before spend and quality of players bought. Chelsea, City are now dominant due to monies spent. Pep is no angel* but I doubt that he could get Fulham to win the EPL without monies.

Coachitto knows what he is doing,Fulham came from championship,teams that have compete without spending money are spurs,Ajax,Dortmund and Lyon this year

[cic old boy]

There's nothing revolutionary about 93 points in a 1st season. Borinho had 95 in his 1st.

He has changed what is required to be champs

you keep spinning your wheels

1. Pep has changed what is required to win the league
2. IIRC, a team needs maximum points to win the league
3. On the flip side, Mourinho, who had 95 points previously, did not revolutionize the league by collecting_maximum_points

SAF - treble. did that revolutionize the league?

You have a problem following threads you are trolling. You asked whether Conte was revolutionising in with his 93 points EPL win. I said it can't be when somebody has done it b/4.

Liverpool's 97 points was 18 points more than Manure had when they won the treble and still Liverpool finished 2nd. So the requirements to win have been changed by the bar being raised.

[cic old boy]

Quality of squad before spend and quality of players bought. Chelsea, City are now dominant due to monies spent. Pep is no angel* but I doubt that he could get Fulham to win the EPL without monies.

Pep is a coach not a magician.

[cic old boy]

Guardiola is a good coach but I don't see anything revolutionary about him at all. Whether in the EPL or Champions League

It is not about him. It is about his teams. Many of the naysayers, including you I presume, were saying he couldn’t play like Barca in the EPL. The league was meant to be fast and furious and physical. He has got his teams to play his way and win. And possession football combined with high pressing is unusual in England.

[cic old boy]

Manchester City's opponents in cup competitions this season
Competition Opponents
FA Cup Rotherham United, Burnley, Newport County, Swansea City, Brighton & Hove Albion, Watford
League Cup Oxford United, Fulham, Leicester City, Burton Albion, Chelsea
Mind u nah pk vs Chelsea

VAR was not used in the Swansea game because the match was played at a non Premier League ground

City win from an offside goal

Were Manure excluded from the cup competitions? Why did City only beat small teams?

[benteke]

Guardiola is a good coach but I don't see anything revolutionary about him at all. Whether in the EPL or Champions League

It is not about him. It is about his teams. Many of the naysayers, including you I presume, were saying he couldn’t play like Barca in the EPL. The league was meant to be fast and furious and physical. He has got his teams to play his way and win. And possession football combined with high pressing is unusual in England.

We already saw high pressing with Rodgers at Liverpool and Pochettino at Southampton. Klopp also took it to another level at Liverpool and it usually results in more possession as we see with Liverpool in many games. Also the quality of squad also makes possession easier.
The opinion out there is that the most exciting teams to watch in EPL are Liverpool and City. That was the same when Liverpool missed out on the title to City in 2014.

[wiseone]

What on earth is happening at Man City? Never thought I would see the day when a team that Pep manages would win only 1 of their last 12 matches.

[Kabalega]

What on earth is happening at Man City? Never thought I would see the day when a team that Pep manages would win only 1 of their last 12 matches.

Over reliance on Rodri and injuries. They would have been OK if Rodri was 100% and also kept Julian Alvarez.
I always wondered why teams didn’t target Rodri before. It was obvious he was the heartbeat of the team. Same with Spain.

EDIT: Just finished the game Aston Villa game, wow, this team is gassed. See how they easily lost balls. Aston Villa beat them to the 2nd and third balls. They don’t even go for the easy balls to the big guy anymore. See how they scored their one goal. That is the edge and intensity they miss.

There is NO leader on the green grass either. KDB is trying to get a rhythm but so are many others. The shape needs to adapt to the Rodri loss because that defense is exposed with legs wide open like a 304.

[Coach]

@Benjamin Ssebo, it’s beyond a matter of on-field leadership. This is a ragtag band of rebels, but a close-knit battalion famed for their conquests. The malaise is physiological, with the psychological aspect being fair reaction to the physical. The cloak of invincibility has been torn from their torso, with the bitter breeze of winter reducing their measure to that of mere mortals. Did City think they were too grand an army to fall to time? For Stones, Walker, Bernardo, De Bruyne it’s simply one round too far. Gundogan resembles the lifelessly still pugilist unconscious on the canvas since the first bell.

Add to that the bang average riding on the great of the Kruger effect to appear, albeit sporadically, to be on-par with their peers. Jeremy Doku, Matheus Nunes,in particular, not good enough. Gvardiol not brave enough. Flaws beyond the remedial powers of good leadership. City don’t lack leaders, they lack legs. If there is any charge of indecision, it takes aim at Guardiola whose love for his players and principles is too agape for the time and climate. City will not stumble upon a win like some stroke of serendipity, it will be crafted on the tactics board and effected through brute force.

No they did not play “better” vs Villa, contrary to Guardiola’s assessment, they were wide open, scared, timid and would’ve had no complaints were it 4 or 5. That is exactly what the players need to be told not these rose-tinted lies. The perpetual excuses are bringing the pygmalion effect to full bloom. “We’re doing ok lads, the Gaffer said so”, “it’s not our stray passes, needless loss of possession or sloth in the transitions, it’s the injuries”.

Week in, week out, the same players are rolled onto the pitch as if reward for their efforts the performance before. It’s Everton, Leicester, West Ham next, what should be winnable games and yet, the uncertainty is palpable.

Accepting the law of its conservation, Guardiola must concede that the lethargy and lack of energy are not matters of bad luck but deliberate transition from one form to another. Deliberate, not by sabotage but by nature’s decree. Many simply don’t have the kinetic energy any more, it has morphed into other forms. Whilst the cognition remains intact, the speed of thought far exceeds the reaction of limbs. The disconnect is disastrous.

It’s not enough to think it. The doing is what yields results. Sadly, many simply can’t, the game is too quick for spent legs. The weakness is visible to all and all are pressing like a pack of hyenas. The turnover statistics and chances faced from counters are staggering. If they’re to emerge from this slump, it must be with appreciation of the obvious. Old soldiers never die, but at some point become so beset with arthritis, they’re unable to raise their rifles.

More measured use of Bernardo et al and greater emphasis on aggression and intention. The press needs energised components and a change in shape. The rest-defence needs reconfiguring. Kyle Walker can no longer play fullback. Gvardiol should be stood down at earliest opportunity and Gundogan demilitarised with immediate effect. Given an ambassadorial role, never to grace the field again. Regardless.

It would come as no surprise were they to switch to a 4-4-2, this takes away the need to adjust to a defensive shape when possession lost. With a change in personnel, a more aggressive press could be employed in a 4-2-4 or 3-3-4. As it stands, their press is disjointed and dislocated. One or two engage, the others held back by aching joints or fear of being off the pace in the race back. All such players need to be taken out of the lineup, irrespective of their imperial standing. City need results.

[wiseone]

Now only 1 win in City’s last 13 matches.

[wanaj0]

Now only 1 win in City’s last 13 matches.

They claimed it is the absence of Rodri! Is City a one man team? How much is the value of the squad again? Were teams losing matches just because Messi/Ronaldo are not available?

[wiseone]

Exactly . Guardiola sounds like Ten Hag (who had to deal with a far worse injury crisis than City). Ten Hag was without Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof, Mount, Mainoo, Maguire, Malacia, and Van De Beek for most of his tenure yet still won 2 trophies in 2 seasons.

They claimed it is the absence of Rodri! Is City a one man team? How much is the value of the squad again? Were teams losing matches just because Messi/Ronaldo are not available?

[wiseone]