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bk-one wrote: Ozil was nothe tired yesterday and I didn't see him getting bullied by the opposition. He provided more key passes than all players in that game. The opposition did get tired though. He wasn't liability and his replacement didn't do well either....he was worse than Ozil.

Now my point was there wasn't any sporting reason to remove Ozil last night besides a personal one. Which in my opinion is a character the manager is lacking....the personal touch
Fair enough but that was Nottingham Forest.

I saw him being harried too in the game and the referee let the game continue. If that isn't playing with one less man I don't know what is.

My point is simple - he is useful for less physical games which aren't that many in the Premier League. Look at the pace of the game when Saka came on. It is not even a criticism of Ozil as a player. This league is not a fit for him. Can't flog a dead horse and all.
Question.....what was Ozil's role last night?


I myself will rather have a player who despite being "bullied" is still creating chances than watch stale performances game after game. By the way. The article you have just posted is saying exactly the same thing I have been trying to tell you....only using different players as examples.
No need busting a gut over a warm up match. Let's wait until Monday to see if the real Ozil will stand up to be counted.

I am willing to give both Ozil and Unai Emery the benefit of the doubt.
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cchinukw wrote:
bk-one wrote:
cchinukw wrote:
bk-one wrote: Ozil was nothe tired yesterday and I didn't see him getting bullied by the opposition. He provided more key passes than all players in that game. The opposition did get tired though. He wasn't liability and his replacement didn't do well either....he was worse than Ozil.

Now my point was there wasn't any sporting reason to remove Ozil last night besides a personal one. Which in my opinion is a character the manager is lacking....the personal touch
Fair enough but that was Nottingham Forest.

I saw him being harried too in the game and the referee let the game continue. If that isn't playing with one less man I don't know what is.

My point is simple - he is useful for less physical games which aren't that many in the Premier League. Look at the pace of the game when Saka came on. It is not even a criticism of Ozil as a player. This league is not a fit for him. Can't flog a dead horse and all.
Question.....what was Ozil's role last night?


I myself will rather have a player who despite being "bullied" is still creating chances than watch stale performances game after game. By the way. The article you have just posted is saying exactly the same thing I have been trying to tell you....only using different players as examples.
No need busting a gut over a warm up match. Let's wait until Monday to see if the real Ozil will stand up to be counted.

I am willing to give both Ozil and Unai Emery the benefit of the doubt.
I hope you know we are playing at old Trafford and its Manu that has give us problem even when they play their youths.We just need to find ways to nick 3 points there some how
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kajifu wrote:
cchinukw wrote:
bk-one wrote:
cchinukw wrote:
bk-one wrote: Ozil was nothe tired yesterday and I didn't see him getting bullied by the opposition. He provided more key passes than all players in that game. The opposition did get tired though. He wasn't liability and his replacement didn't do well either....he was worse than Ozil.

Now my point was there wasn't any sporting reason to remove Ozil last night besides a personal one. Which in my opinion is a character the manager is lacking....the personal touch
Fair enough but that was Nottingham Forest.

I saw him being harried too in the game and the referee let the game continue. If that isn't playing with one less man I don't know what is.

My point is simple - he is useful for less physical games which aren't that many in the Premier League. Look at the pace of the game when Saka came on. It is not even a criticism of Ozil as a player. This league is not a fit for him. Can't flog a dead horse and all.
Question.....what was Ozil's role last night?


I myself will rather have a player who despite being "bullied" is still creating chances than watch stale performances game after game. By the way. The article you have just posted is saying exactly the same thing I have been trying to tell you....only using different players as examples.
No need busting a gut over a warm up match. Let's wait until Monday to see if the real Ozil will stand up to be counted.

I am willing to give both Ozil and Unai Emery the benefit of the doubt.
I hope you know we are playing at old Trafford and its Manu that has give us problem even when they play their youths.We just need to find ways to nick 3 points there some how
I agree. If Ozil's inclusion in the squad can help us do that, I'm up for it. My hunch is his inclusion as a starter will keep us on the back foot when we require momentum against a youthful Manu side. We shall see.
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At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---
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I know it was only Notts Forest but last night an example of what happens when a manager opts for balance and structure over his own hubris.

Game becomes so much more fluid when players put in position to succeed, when they're unshackled from managers ultra cautious leanings.

The midfield of Ozil, Willock and Torreira was a joy to watch, combination of intelligence, wok rate, athleticism, high tempo, pace, power....


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Tunisian Gooner wrote:I know it was only Notts Forest but last night an example of what happens when a manager opts for balance and structure over his own hubris.

Game becomes so much more fluid when players put in position to succeed, when they're unshackled from managers ultra cautious leanings.

The midfield of Ozil, Willock and Torreira was a joy to watch, combination of intelligence, wok rate, athleticism, high tempo, pace, power....


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Yes...but that was Nottingham Forest. I'd regard that as I would an Arsenal U23 match.
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Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---
No love for Herr Ozil? :)
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Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---
So you want Calum Chambers to play right back against jet fueled Daniel James who’s an inverted winger? Ok I respect your position but find it hard to understand why?
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cchinukw wrote:
Tunisian Gooner wrote:I know it was only Notts Forest but last night an example of what happens when a manager opts for balance and structure over his own hubris.

Game becomes so much more fluid when players put in position to succeed, when they're unshackled from managers ultra cautious leanings.

The midfield of Ozil, Willock and Torreira was a joy to watch, combination of intelligence, wok rate, athleticism, high tempo, pace, power....


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Yes...but that was Nottingham Forest. I'd regard that as I would an Arsenal U23 match.
Since end of last season I've seen Emery make hard work out of Huddersfield, Brighton, Watford and Villa.

It is only Notts Forest but as Yankee Gunner aptly stated....



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Tunisian Gooner wrote:I know it was only Notts Forest but last night an example of what happens when a manager opts for balance and structure over his own hubris.

Game becomes so much more fluid when players put in position to succeed, when they're unshackled from managers ultra cautious leanings.

The midfield of Ozil, Willock and Torreira was a joy to watch, combination of intelligence, wok rate, athleticism, high tempo, pace, power....


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Uh the team was hardy convincing until Ozil left the field. Nelson seemed to drift more inside and Forest got clobbered. They couldn’t deal with ball skills of Ceballos and Saka made the poor right back wish for a vaca. Now I’m not into the constant Ozil bashing but the lad does himself no favors. Yesterday was a platform to shine and it seems he is simply not interested in being a serious footballer any more. I’m sure Emery can’t wait 2 see the back of him. There is just2 much drama and so little electricity from him.
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Ozil’s ability is without question, the issue is that of motivation. In simplest terms, he’s won too much and made too much to be bothered by 12 rounders for fourth place and rubbish enroute. In pop culture analogy, Mesut is the tardy Kanye West, clocking in 2 hours overcooked at Bucknell university. “You should be honoured by my lateness”. With a trophy cabinet that exceeds all of his squad members’ added together, having contested finals his managers never will, ‘tis no surprise there’s the air of a Billy Big B*llocks about him. Emeribe’s estrangement only adds more bass to the power walk.

Could Ozil still be beneficial? Absolutely, so much ability can never be useless.
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Sleaky72 wrote:
Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---
So you want Calum Chambers to play right back against jet fueled Daniel James who’s an inverted winger? Ok I respect your position but find it hard to understand why?
Fortunately, Maitland is unavailable and hopefully that’s the last of that escapade. Absolute garbage at fullback. Supposedly a better midfielder, how much? God alone knows, there’s a flourescent lack of brain engagement about so much of what he does, that questions his quality even in his “natural position”.

Chambers isn’t a bad call, he can defend, has played right of a three and should know how to defend the half-space. The same jet-set James, was wee-wee vs West Ham. In truth, the display was abject, flat and all in between vs the Irons. United are nothing of what they once were, the emblem on their jersey is all that remains. The injuries plus the ineptitude of Ole GunOsuofia bodes well for Beloved. If Emeribe opts for balance rather than Jenga, it’s Beloved’s at a canter!
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Coach wrote:
Sleaky72 wrote:
Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---
So you want Calum Chambers to play right back against jet fueled Daniel James who’s an inverted winger? Ok I respect your position but find it hard to understand why?
Fortunately, Maitland is unavailable and hopefully that’s the last of that escapade. Absolute garbage at fullback. Supposedly a better midfielder, how much? God alone knows, there’s a flourescent lack of brain engagement about so much of what he does, that questions his quality even in his “natural position”.

Chambers isn’t a bad call, he can defend, has played right of a three and should know how to defend the half-space. The same jet-set James, was wee-wee vs West Ham. In truth, the display was abject, flat and all in between vs the Irons. United are nothing of what they once were, the emblem on their jersey is all that remains. The injuries plus the ineptitude of Ole GunOsuofia bodes well for Beloved. If Emeribe opts for balance rather than Jenga, it’s Beloved’s at a canter!
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Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---

Mine will be this:

---------------------------------Leno-----------------------------------------
Bells-------------Mustafi--------------------Holding-----------------Tierney
----------------------------Luiz----------Willock-----------------------------
-----------------------------------Ozil----------------------------------------
Pepe-----------------------------Auba---------------------------------Saka-
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It was Notts Forest, decades after Brian Clough. Mustafi is a write-off and David Luiz is too slow to base the midfield.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: oh my beating Forest don begin cloud some assanal fans, ok oooo
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Tunisian Gooner wrote:
cchinukw wrote:
Tunisian Gooner wrote:I know it was only Notts Forest but last night an example of what happens when a manager opts for balance and structure over his own hubris.

Game becomes so much more fluid when players put in position to succeed, when they're unshackled from managers ultra cautious leanings.

The midfield of Ozil, Willock and Torreira was a joy to watch, combination of intelligence, wok rate, athleticism, high tempo, pace, power....


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Yes...but that was Nottingham Forest. I'd regard that as I would an Arsenal U23 match.
Since end of last season I've seen Emery make hard work out of Huddersfield, Brighton, Watford and Villa.

It is only Notts Forest but as Yankee Gunner aptly stated....



I'm sure you saw the results for our North London neighbours with a coach viewed as a likely Real Madrid replacement.

Not saying Emery hasn't got his faults but for goodness sake we are 4th in the table. While I leave you to ponder on that, remember too that this has been a problem for almost 10 years. I'm sure you still remember that loss to Birgmigham in a cup final when Nigeria's Obafemi Martins made lightwork of a team featuring the almighty Koscielny in defence!
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azuka wrote:
Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---

Mine will be this:

---------------------------------Leno-----------------------------------------
Bells-------------Mustafi--------------------Holding-----------------Tierney
----------------------------Luiz----------Willock-----------------------------
-----------------------------------Ozil----------------------------------------
Pepe-----------------------------Auba---------------------------------Saka-
One day soon, you lot will have to come round to the glaring fact that Ozil should never be started in a physically challenging match.
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Go ask Spurs, West Ham, Man Utd and Wolves about level of opposition in league cup.
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cchinukw wrote:
azuka wrote:
Blukyt wrote:At Old toilet I would like to see a starting line up of
----------------Martinez(Even though Leno will start)----------------
--Chambers----Mustafi----Holding---Tierney--
---------------------Torreira--------------------
------Willock------------------Guendouzi------
---Pepe----------Aubameyang---------Saka---

Mine will be this:

---------------------------------Leno-----------------------------------------
Bells-------------Mustafi--------------------Holding-----------------Tierney
----------------------------Luiz----------Willock-----------------------------
-----------------------------------Ozil----------------------------------------
Pepe-----------------------------Auba---------------------------------Saka-
One day soon, you lot will have to come round to the glaring fact that Ozil should never be started in a physically challenging match.
As long as Ozil is still and Arsenal player and fit and we've got runners like Auba, Pepe, Saka and Laca in front to choose from I will fancy him in that hole either behind a front 3, 2 or 1. He's got that canny ability to unlock any defence with a single pass.
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So it’s back 2 Anfield again for the next round of the worthless cup? Good thing is that the match is 2 days after their gm with Spurs so we won’t C Van Dijk, Mane or Salah
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Sleaky72 wrote:So it’s back 2 Anfield again for the next round of the worthless cup? Good thing is that the match is 2 days after their gm with Spurs so we won’t C Van Dijk, Mane or Salah
Carabao Cup fourth round draw in full:
Everton v Watford

Aston Villa v Wolverhampton Wanderers

Manchester City v Southampton

Burton v Leicester

Crawley v Colchester

Chelsea v Manchester United

Oxford v Sunderland

Liverpool v Arsenal
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Sleaky72 wrote:So it’s back 2 Anfield again for the next round of the worthless cup? Good thing is that the match is 2 days after their gm with Spurs so we won’t C Van Dijk, Mane or Salah
See what we have become now? A team fearing and praying certain players don't play. Didn't Napoli just beat them? I would rather they line up their full squad and we go there and give it a good go. No holding back. It's all about believe in the team. I strongly believe this team if played to its full potential can give any team a good game.
The thing about Liverpool and Man City is that most English team concede defeat even before stepping on the pitch of play against them.

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