Big Six sign up for new European Super League

[green4life]

Personally, that's how I feel.

Therefore, assessing the matter with an open mind, we have the biggest sport in the world by far (over 4 billion fans) but with it's biggest/ most successful clubs mostly suffering financially. It suggests that the current model needs a big adjustment especially given that the trend of increasing player costs + decreasing revenue is not sustainable even after covid is hopefully eradicated.

I love the traditional aspects and would like to retain all that but professional sports is a business first. If the powers that be at the clubs feel like there is money being left on the table and they are not able to get at that opportunity due to the current set up and they are currently hurting financially, something has to be done. Summarily calling the club owners/directors greedy to play on the emotions of die hard fans helps no one.

Clubs are suffering b/c of corona and corruption. They should look at how much commission managers, directors, etc are sharing with agents. Clubs are also suffering b/c matchday revenue has disappeared due to corona. It would disappear even more when fans boycott this idiotic super league. Then the fairweather people from all over the world would not like the spectacle without fans.

If you want to know what's wrong with football, look at Manure. No debt, until vulture capitalists bought the club and loaded their debt on it. Debt servicing alone is taking out investment in the playing staff.

The crooks running clubs have been appeased for too long. The trouble with greed is that it is insatiable. The European Cup used to be just the champions in each country. Now, clubs that didn't win anything enter. But they were not satisfied. They kept asking for more. Even those set up with stolen funds from Russia and the Middle East want more money.

They were indulged as long as they didn't tamper with the fundamentals of the game - this is what gives the Leicesters of the world hope. It is what makes the game popular - the chance of the underdog upsetting the odds.

Every year, they up prices of tickets, subscriptions, etc and know the punters will keep coming. But one day, the game will eat itself b/c of greed.

I get the bad business practice argument and the importance of century age traditions - which I value strongly. The proposal as I understand it mostly affects UEFA's CL competition. Abeg indulge me briefly based on the following scenario:

1. The 'ESL' clubs are allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues.
2. The ESL clubs do not participate in CL
3. The next best top 4 in the affected countries qualify for CL.

Apart from the traditions of CL for the affected clubs, what else has changed for the fan specifically wrt domestic competitions?

[danfo driver]

Not European, I have no dog in this fight.

Best comment on this thread.

[green4life]

Not European, I have no dog in this fight.

Best comment on this thread.

Na so I see am oooo

[txj]

Chelsea Supporters Trust didn't mince words.

Those supporters clubs are as ignorant as they come!

Too many of them hoodwinked by even more ignorant pundits like Gary Neville and James Carragher!

Some of them think you can run a football club on mere passion...

Good to see I'm not alone.

Lost in translation. Its not about ignorance. Such is the allure of the modern game, many a fan are mere spectators, thrill seekers, wanting entertainment. Their attachment to a club or team is a temporal as a the undying love and affection of an adolescent at his first Ball. Smells like teen spirit, look likes a cold sore by the morning. Filtered through the melee of fair weather bandwagoner and one falls upon a body of supporters to whom their affiliation isn't defined by fancy kits or recent titles, its intrinsic. To those, they're born that way, it's not a choice, rather an obligation. To those, Arsenal, Spurs, United aren't just a bunch of fancy Dans kicking a pig's bladder across the park, rather they are them, they're the representation of those people born into the tribe. Romanticised perhaps, too many rose petals pressed against the glasses may be, but just as a National Side is considered a representation of the nation, so too is a club, in the eyes of many, considered a representation of their locality. How wonderful it would be to watch Arsenal being routed by Barcelona week in week out, but with FIFA proposing international bans for participation, one wonders who amongst those prized beasts of burden will want to be part of the circus? Were the players contacted for opinion? Managers the same? Klopp has suggested otherwise.

Tbh, let them go, one hopes UEFA, FIFA and the FA hold their nerve, give them an ultimatum, hold the door open and tell them like Sean Carter reciting the fate of the good girl gone bad, you're "gone forever". Would be hilarious to see City, Real and Chelsea, kicked out of UCL, Pochettino's wins it by default. Irony.

And what is "their locality"?

What is it that makes an LFC fan who lives on Anfield road a greater fan than one who lives in Omaha Nebraska?

The game is global, but you have these Brits, fooled by ignorant pundits who got them to vote Brexit and now campaigning against reality...

[cic old boy]

They also have a model where you can acquire the following players:

- Lewandoski
- Goretzka
- Hummels
- Goetze
- Rudy
- Nubel

all for $0

When you live comfortably on such a model, why would you want to change?

Dortmund live in the model and refused to change too.

[cic old boy]

And what is "their locality"?

What is it that makes an LFC fan who lives on Anfield road a greater fan than one who lives in Omaha Nebraska?

The game is global, but you have these Brits, fooled by ignorant pundits who got them to vote Brexit and now campaigning against reality...

Liverpool is rooted in the community and its history.

The guy that lives in Omaha may not have links to the club. Most likely a groupie.

The viewership in terms of TV is global, but clubs are rooted and part of the communities that they exist in. Those are the people that sustain the clubs through good times and bad. About a third of revenue comes from match-going fans - before the pandemic. Leeds for e.g. was getting 20,000 fans at Elland Rd despite being 16 years out of the EPL. It's loyalty and tradition that sustains such followership.

[Bigpokey24]

Not European, I have no dog in this fight.

Best comment on this thread.

best comment , abeg someone hook that brother with some crown apple

[cic old boy]

I get the bad business practice argument and the importance of century age traditions - which I value strongly. The proposal as I understand it mostly affects UEFA's CL competition. Abeg indulge me briefly based on the following scenario:

1. The 'ESL' clubs are allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues.
2. The ESL clubs do not participate in CL
3. The next best top 4 in the affected countries qualify for CL.

Apart from the traditions of CL for the affected clubs, what else has changed for the fan specifically wrt domestic competitions?

What has changed is competition! Football if f@cked if qualification is by invitation like some summer tournament!

You devalue the CL if the best teams are in the super league. You devalue the super league if some teams are not there on merit. Competition in the domestic league is devalued if the super league teams don't have to fight for CL qualification.

[txj]

And what is "their locality"?

What is it that makes an LFC fan who lives on Anfield road a greater fan than one who lives in Omaha Nebraska?

The game is global, but you have these Brits, fooled by ignorant pundits who got them to vote Brexit and now campaigning against reality...

Liverpool is rooted in the community and its history.

The guy that lives in Omaha may not have links to the club. Most likely a groupie.

The viewership in terms of TV is global, but clubs are rooted and part of the communities that they exist in. Those are the people that sustain the clubs through good times and bad. About a third of revenue comes from match-going fans - before the pandemic. Leeds for e.g. was getting 20,000 fans at Elland Rd despite being 16 years out of the EPL. It's loyalty and tradition that sustains such followership.

This is the delusional mindset of 60yrs+ old men

Those fans in Omaha or Saskachewan all have the same commitments as the fans on Anfield Rd; sometimes even more!!!

Yes the fans on ground provide the direct emotional support, but those far and beyond bleed their clubs no less. What is more, their hard earned money sustains the club thru TV viewership, and thus allows the clubs to subsidize the match going fans...

[txj]

I get the bad business practice argument and the importance of century age traditions - which I value strongly. The proposal as I understand it mostly affects UEFA's CL competition. Abeg indulge me briefly based on the following scenario:

1. The 'ESL' clubs are allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues.
2. The ESL clubs do not participate in CL
3. The next best top 4 in the affected countries qualify for CL.

Apart from the traditions of CL for the affected clubs, what else has changed for the fan specifically wrt domestic competitions?

What has changed is competition! Football if f@cked if qualification is by invitation like some summer tournament!

You devalue the CL if the best teams are in the super league. You devalue the super league if some teams are not there on merit. Competition in the domestic league is devalued if the super league teams don't have to fight for CL qualification.

What devalues the league is ultimately the quality of football played.

Not the fact that West Ham got thrashed by Madrid, while their fans are singing kumbaya in the stands...

[txj]

They also have a model where you can acquire the following players:

- Lewandoski
- Goretzka
- Hummels
- Goetze
- Rudy
- Nubel

all for $0

When you live comfortably on such a model, why would you want to change?

Dortmund live in the model and refused to change too.

Because they are comfortable while being screwed over

[Coach]

Leeds 60+ percent possession. Comedy.

[Coach]

British colonialists Ander Herrera and Sons pouring it on. Interesting response from Klopp, fingers crossed for a collision course. Mourinho to Liverpool?

[green4life]

I get the bad business practice argument and the importance of century age traditions - which I value strongly. The proposal as I understand it mostly affects UEFA's CL competition. Abeg indulge me briefly based on the following scenario:

1. The 'ESL' clubs are allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues.
2. The ESL clubs do not participate in CL
3. The next best top 4 in the affected countries qualify for CL.

Apart from the traditions of CL for the affected clubs, what else has changed for the fan specifically wrt domestic competitions?

What has changed is competition! Football if f@cked if qualification is by invitation like some summer tournament!

You devalue the CL if the best teams are in the super league. You devalue the super league if some teams are not there on merit. Competition in the domestic league is devalued if the super league teams don't have to fight for CL qualification.

The CL takes a hit. I agree but that's for UEFA to sort out.

The local league is devalued. Yes, but then again arguably for the biggest clubs, if you are not wining the league, you are motivated to maximize revenue both domestically and in Europe. I understand it's not the same as fighting for top 4 but clubs still have derbies and the pride of finishing on top of your rival. Also, what about the Leicester's, West Ham's and Everton's that want to qualify for CL? Will Arsenal roll over for West Ham to qualify for CL or will Liverpool roll over for Everton? I doubt it. Again, I agree that things will not be the same (assuming this ESL somehow goes forward which remains to be seen) but domestically, the devaluation of the competition argument is a bit overblown.

[green4life]

British colonialists Ander Herrera and Sons pouring it on. Interesting response from Klopp, fingers crossed for a collision course. Mourinho to Liverpool?

Klopp said that everyone needs to calm down. All these high emotions and premature finger pointing aren't helpful.

[Coach]

@G4, they will not be permitted to participate in their domestic leagues. The chest beating should be enough to get them expelled. Hopefully. Cant wait to see the blow back, full blown mutiny surely. Players up in arms. Danny and Ashley Barnes up top in the Euros. Hilarious. Kick 'em all out.

[green4life]

@G4, they will not be permitted to participate in their domestic leagues. The chest beating should be enough to get them expelled. Hopefully. Cant wait to see the blow back, full blown mutiny surely. Players up in arms. Danny and Ashley Barnes up top in the Euros. Hilarious. Kick 'em all out.

[Bigpokey24]

I get the bad business practice argument and the importance of century age traditions - which I value strongly. The proposal as I understand it mostly affects UEFA's CL competition. Abeg indulge me briefly based on the following scenario:

1. The 'ESL' clubs are allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues.
2. The ESL clubs do not participate in CL
3. The next best top 4 in the affected countries qualify for CL.

Apart from the traditions of CL for the affected clubs, what else has changed for the fan specifically wrt domestic competitions?

What has changed is competition! Football if f@cked if qualification is by invitation like some summer tournament!

You devalue the CL if the best teams are in the super league. You devalue the super league if some teams are not there on merit. Competition in the domestic league is devalued if the super league teams don't have to fight for CL qualification.

The CL takes a hit. I agree but that's for UEFA to sort out.

The local league is devalued. Yes, but then again arguably for the biggest clubs, if you are not wining the league, you are motivated to maximize revenue both domestically and in Europe. I understand it's not the same as fighting for top 4 but clubs still have derbies and the pride of finishing on top of your rival. Also, what about the Leicester's, West Ham's and Everton's that want to qualify for CL? Will Arsenal roll over for West Ham to qualify for CL or will Liverpool roll over for Everton? I doubt it. Again, I agree that things will not be the same (assuming this ESL somehow goes forward which remains to be seen) but domestically, the devaluation of the competition argument is a bit overblown.

so what's wrong if all competitions plus the SL still goes ahead, then the big clubs can use their academy players for the FA and Carlin plus Europa /CL if they choose to. I see everyone being satisfied

[Coach]

In an interview with Danish broadcaster DR, Moller, who is head of the Danish FA, said: "There is an extraordinary executive meeting on Friday where I expect the 12 clubs to be thrown out.

"I think that we, who love football, have had it. Someone has to draw the line and find out which way the clubs should go. We owe it to our fans and everyone who loves football.

sauce: skysports.



Pochettino Champions League winner?

[green4life]

@G4, they will not be permitted to participate in their domestic leagues. The chest beating should be enough to get them expelled. Hopefully. Cant wait to see the blow back, full blown mutiny surely. Players up in arms. Danny and Ashley Barnes up top in the Euros. Hilarious. Kick 'em all out.

I've heard as well. There's a long time between now and August for all parties to discuss. Time will tell.

[txj]

@G4, they will not be permitted to participate in their domestic leagues. The chest beating should be enough to get them expelled. Hopefully. Cant wait to see the blow back, full blown mutiny surely. Players up in arms. Danny and Ashley Barnes up top in the Euros. Hilarious. Kick 'em all out.

I've heard as well. There's a long time between now and August for all parties to discuss. Time will tell.

Rantings of paper tigers..

[Coach]

The world is watching, both corners have to hold their nerve, hopefully neither backs down. The bomb must be allowed to achieve its fullest glory. Meeting on Friday, all kicked out, lets see how the players respond...cant wait. Moyes and Rodgers going head to head for the league title.

[Coach]

@G4, they will not be permitted to participate in their domestic leagues. The chest beating should be enough to get them expelled. Hopefully. Cant wait to see the blow back, full blown mutiny surely. Players up in arms. Danny and Ashley Barnes up top in the Euros. Hilarious. Kick 'em all out.

I've heard as well. There's a long time between now and August for all parties to discuss. Time will tell.

Rantings of paper tigers..

Hopefully not...would love to see it happen, all expelled. Imagine the free for all. 6 promoted from the Championship, big Valerian Ismael's Barnsley back in the big time. 3-4-3, raking long balls, pie and mash at half-time, what's in the Lucozade bottle Cory? double vodka and orange.