BARCA IN TURMOIL!! Messi declares WAR against Barcelona!!

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danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
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Siddonlook11 wrote:So the end of this long thread of legal ramblings or miseducation ends with Messi staying and somehow this troublesome danfo being right ??

Hmmm make i no find danfo trouble :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: :taunt:
I also notice the law angle debate has somewhat ground to a halt, is it correct to assume Danfo won :rotf:

Interesting though, i will re-read from the start.

But guys i used to have arguments about Messi, he is a quitter, i realised this when he quit Argentina temporarily.
He works well when things are going mostly OK.

I wish this saga had happened when he was younger, when he would have had a fair shot at proving everyone wrong.

He is a great footballer mind you.

This is like the end of the era of Ronaldo and Messi. A very good era, they are the only ones who deserved those top accolades :thumb:
Can we really say who won as Messi choose not to pursue the legal angle implying in his interview he knows he’s in the right and would win but his love for the club wouldn’t allow him drag them through litigation....basically he’d rather just wait another year and get out clean without having to do all that.
If it was a legal challenge he thought he could win he would have pursued.
We definitely can't assume that. Especially if you watched his interview. The thing that hurt him the most in this entire situation is that people labeled him a traitor and a liar etc, and he said he didn't want to compound it by taking the club he loves through a legal spectacle, he just wanted what the Director had promised him, but if he has to go through court to get it, he would rather wait another year than becoming person-non-grata in the city of Barcelona. A city where he's made a home for himself and his family, especially with everything that Barcelona FC had done for him with his rare health condition etc. You have to take the human factor into consideration, these players are not heartless robots, they have feelings and do react to public perception and pressure.
That's all nice sounding but he realized he didn't have much of a case in the end.
Surprised you are engaging one of the dumbest people on CE on this matter. No waste your time. :oops: Dude probably watches law shows on tv and thinks he understand how things work. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Truth is, choosing to insult someone who didn't insult you simply because of a difference in opinion says more about you than it does the person. But make una carry on sha...However, my point still stands, how can you gloat about being correct about legal details of a case where the legality of it didn't have a chance to be argued in a court of law? This has nothing to do with understanding the contents of the contract, but simple common sense. As we all know, a scare tactic used by big corporations/entities is to say if you don't like it take it to court, and someone might decide not to go to court because they would be involved in a long, expensive, draining, reputation tarnishing legal battle that they might not want to partake in. That does not mean they weren't on the right side of the law just because they weren't willing to go through that long arduous process to prove it. But make una continue sha, danfo on top!!!!! danfo has done it!!!! danfo won the legal battle for Barcelona!!!!! Up CE, we have a legal genius in our midst, I hope you will contribute some of that Barca money to the upkeep of CE! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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False alarm. Nor be the first end of season drama between Messi/Barca/Revenue Service.
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Just saw the story about Messi's contract that was leaked to a Spanish newspaper.

€555million for 4yrs is what Messi has been getting :woot:
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benteke wrote:Just saw the story about Messi's contract that was leaked to a Spanish newspaper.

€555million for 4yrs is what Messi has been getting :woot:
Why is this surprising or even news? this is normal. In non-sporting companies, partners/executives who bring in the most meat, take the most home. Thats a given.

They should leak how much money Messi brings to Barcelona. All the billions he has made them and they think we will shake simply by hearing he made a measly half a billion euros in 4 years?

On a normal day, they are lucky Messi does not even own a large percentage of shares in Barcelona (i'll actually be shocked if he didnt demand that and got it).
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Look at what Messi did vs. Athletic and say he didn't deserve that salary.
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Kai some guys get luck oooh,only playing football?
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danfo driver wrote:
benteke wrote:Just saw the story about Messi's contract that was leaked to a Spanish newspaper.

€555million for 4yrs is what Messi has been getting :woot:
Why is this surprising or even news? this is normal. In non-sporting companies, partners/executives who bring in the most meat, take the most home. Thats a given.

They should leak how much money Messi brings to Barcelona. All the billions he has made them and they think we will shake simply by hearing he made a measly half a billion euros in 4 years?
:clap: :clap: :clap:


On a normal day, they are lucky Messi does not even own a large percentage of shares in Barcelona (i'll actually be shocked if he didnt demand that and got it).
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When the flipflop lands face up and relents from screaming curse like Abigail Williams at the Salem Witch trials, some valid points are raised.

Clearly more to this story. Is the deliberate leak to deter suitors? In this Covid ravaged industry, in Covid ravaged cities, with Covid ensured empty stadia and Covid decreed mass unemployments, can a would be suitor justify such an outlay? Perhaps its to wave the paper under the nose of FFP, to have them beady eye any potential deal?

On the flip side, in a Covid condemned Catalunya, maybe its a show of hands from an establishment looking to justify letting its marquee piece. If the people see the numbers, the diminishing returns in La Liga and Champions League, perhaps they'll abandon the messiah and sanction the move.
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Chei, Messi in fine form :D

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but but they paid him half a billion in four years! It's too much money for someone who can do it all!
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Today Barca vs PSG should be an entertaining game.
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What a shithole club
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Serves that Bartomeu character right, he was all the way wrong on this one, breaking promises and then trying to smear Messi for calling him out on it. Glad Messi didn't get suckered into a long drawn-out court battle...
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What a disaster he was as a president.

In life when you are strong, its usually whats within, which will bring you down. This guy took Barca down from within! ruined the club on and off the field! :rotf: Their finances are also in tatters!

I wonder where Vincent is these days?


Seems La Puta will return as their president, sha.
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danfo driver wrote:What a disaster he was as a president.

In life when you are strong, its usually whats within, which will bring you down. This guy took Barca down from within! ruined the club on and off the field! :rotf: Their finances are also in tatters!

I wonder where Vincent is these days?


Seems La Puta will return as their president, sha.
Please put a curse so Messi leave and they will never be top in europe again.
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Barca re-elect Laporta to clean up the mess

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/spor ... ident.html
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maceo4 wrote:Barca re-elect Laporta to clean up the mess

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/spor ... ident.html
very open secret for a long time. The return of La Puta!


For their own sake, this should also be the end of Ronald Koeman.
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What a performance by Barca at the Anoeta.

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Barrenetxea's goal was all him. :thumbs:
He started it with nice footwork played a 1-2 and finished it off with the best goal of the game. Terstagen had no chance. :thumbs:

Isak was a wastepipe. He should have scored at least 2 goals for Real Sociedad.


Love or hate him, Koeman is starting the renaissance at Barça.
The passing keeps getting better, though the defense still needs work.
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Kabalega wrote:Barrenetxea's goal was all him. :thumbs:
He started it with nice footwork played a 1-2 and finished it off with the best goal of the game. Terstagen had no chance. :thumbs:

Isak was a wastepipe. He should have scored at least 2 goals for Real Sociedad.


Love or hate him, Koeman is starting the renaissance at Barça.
The passing keeps getting better, though the defense still needs work.
I remember a discussion about Koeman in some other thread, many didn't have any hope in him doing something at Barcelona.
Let me dig what i posted

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FC Barcelona president Joan Laporta confirms a debt of 1,350 million euros and losses of 481 million euros for last season

The president of FC Barcelona, Joan Laporta, offered a press conference on Monday to put into context the current financial situation at the Club that faces his Board of Directors. The president concluded that the economic situation is “dramatic” whilst at the same time reminding everyone “we have good news.”

“There is a strategic plan based on the credibility and experience of our team that will make this situation temporary. The Club will be in a healthy state in two years.”

The president revealed that in terms of costs, on arriving at the Club the Board of Directors had to request “a bridge loan from Goldman Sachs to pay wages” and that recently urgent work had to be carried out at Camp Nou in 119 different areas at a value of 1.8 million euros “because not to carry them out would have brought risks to people’s safety.”

The president assured that according to the due diligence that will be presented in September, “the end of the financial year of the 20/21 season will bring losses of 481 million euros. This has been audited by Ernst&Young and presented to the league. The impact of the pandemic is 91 million euros.” Laporta also highlighted that the financial costs of the CLub “are around 6%, which is unsustainable, so we can congratulate ourselves that the new credit claimed of 595 million euros is with an interest rate of 1.9%.”

With regards to Club’s wage bill, Laporta remarked that “it represents 103% of income (617 million euros), 25-30% above our competitors. The Club’s worth is minus 451 million euros,” the difference between what the Club owes and what it is owed. “This is very delicate. It has been necessary to come up with a strategic plan to make sure we have a functioning business and enjoy the confidence of our creditors. The Club’s debt is 1,350 million euros.”

Division of invoices
Laporta also explained that they have discovered the modus operandi of the management of the Board of Directors of ex-president Josep Maria Bartomeu “that evaded all internal checks.”

“Invoices were split up in the case of I3 Ventures, the Espai Barça” and in other departments “the debt invoked was split up to be less than 10% of income so not to have pass through the Assembly.”

During his appearance Laporta also referred to the letter sent by Josep Maria Bartomeu last week in which he gave his version of the Club’s financial situation, especially over the last few months.

Laporta reiterated that the accounts for the 20/21 season were approved by the Assembly “for technical reasons and in no way validate the period 2010/20.” Laporta continued that Bartomeu Board “indeed is responsible for the financial year 20/21,” and that “if due diligence uncovers irregularities that no one will escape responsibility.”

The president refuted the argument if the Bartomeu Board had resigned “they could not make financial decisions and lost income.” “They did not lose 375 million euros because of the pandemic, it was 217 and if you have to apply the costs associated, it comes up at 91 million euros.”

“They presented a budget based on suppositions that if all turned out well, the 20/21 budget would have been 1 million euros in positive. That causes a financial and economic picture that is dramatic and very worrying.”

Laporta also pointed out that “sporting wages bills to the sum of 191 million euros were not reduced, it was 68. Disproportionate payments were made to middle men. For example, 8 million in commission for a player who cost 40. Or 8 million for someone to find players in South America.”

With respect to Barça Corporate, Laporta pointed out that "our board has not found any of the proposals to be acceptable … It is a lie that there was revenue of 220 million euros. They made a low offer for Barça Studios and made no contribution to Barça Escola, or to the Barça Innovation Hub, or to BLM".

"It is not true either that La Liga signing a deal with CVC Capital Partners was the solution. The assessment of CVC is poor and shows how short-sighted Bartomeu’s board was."


Appalling’ sports project
As for the legal proceedings involving Neymar, Laporta insisted that "we have not pardoned the PSG player 16.5 million euros. The best thing for both parties was to reduce the risk and reach a global settlement. We wanted to avoid the risk of paying 57 million in exchange for relinquishing 6.7 million."

As for player salaries, the president described his predecessor’s sports policies as ‘appalling’. "They should have changed the method and invested in and believed in La Masia and made more proportionate investments in keeping with sporting logic … Compliance with La Liga’s salary caps was erratic and as a result the league is viewing us as a club that violates the rules.”

As for capital assets, Laporta commented that Espai Barça "is based on a series of falsehoods and lack of transparency. As suggested, more than 12,000 members would be moved from the first to third tier. The project underestimated the costs and was disrespectful of the other sports sections. We shall be presenting a new financing programme to the Assembly and work can begin in the summer of 2022."

Laporta also wished to thank Bartomeu for his words at the end of his letter, in which the former president offered to help find solutions. “We shall bear that in mind” said Laporta.

Complete press conference: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/club/new ... y-worrying
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