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txj wrote: The FA not being involved in the EPL is LARGELY a product of evolution and the clubs claiming ownership of the league that they are involved in.

UEFA owns the CL, but they don't own the clubs! They are simply middlemen, who are profiting off the back of the clubs.

Yes the implementation of the ESL was ham-handed, but the fundamental issue here has not gone away and will recur at some point...
The FA hasn't been involved in the professional league since when it was created in the 1880s.

Uefa owns the CL b/c they started it and organise it. Just like first the Football League owned the league in England. The EPL is also simply the middleman profiting on the back of clubs and sharing some of the revenue - just like Uefa.

The fundamental issue is that you can't appease the greed of the big clubs. That greed was why the CL was created from the old European Cup. It was why the EPL broke away from the Football League. They have been trying it on and went too far by trying to create a closed competition.
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cic old boy wrote:
Mr. Piffington wrote: No. It would have just made them compete against clubs that are just as strong financially as they are thus reducing their chances of hogging trophies, that and the fear that the allure of playing the top clubs would go away because the increased frequency of games between them. I agree that there is some sentiment as to why they wouldn’t want a Super League but I don’t buy the reaction was completely altruistic. Either way, it means zilch to me, I’m not European and while I love the sport I don’t share their unique sentiments with these clubs.
In the CL the clubs compete against other clubs that are strong financially. Very few clubs hog the CL. Arsenal's financial strength has not allowed them a guaranteed top 4 in the EPL.

Fact is that there is near unanimous disapproval of the Super League from fans of the clubs admitted. So the argument the fans were acting in self interest is weak.
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cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote: The FA not being involved in the EPL is LARGELY a product of evolution and the clubs claiming ownership of the league that they are involved in.

UEFA owns the CL, but they don't own the clubs! They are simply middlemen, who are profiting off the back of the clubs.

Yes the implementation of the ESL was ham-handed, but the fundamental issue here has not gone away and will recur at some point...
The FA hasn't been involved in the professional league since when it was created in the 1880s.

Uefa owns the CL b/c they started it and organise it. Just like first the Football League owned the league in England. The EPL is also simply the middleman profiting on the back of clubs and sharing some of the revenue - just like Uefa.

The fundamental issue is that you can't appease the greed of the big clubs. That greed was why the CL was created from the old European Cup. It was why the EPL broke away from the Football League. They have been trying it on and went too far by trying to create a closed competition.

That's not quite true.

The EPL was created by the clubs who act as shareholders. So its their league and their creation.

UEFA on the other hand is simply a middleman. They don't own any club, they don't own any players...

What they own, and rightfully so, is the European Championships contested by national teams of affiliate FAs.
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txj wrote:
That's not quite true.

The EPL was created by the clubs who act as shareholders. So its their league and their creation.

UEFA on the other hand is simply a middleman. They don't own any club, they don't own any players...

What they own, and rightfully so, is the European Championships contested by national teams of affiliate FAs.
The EPL doesn't own any club or any players. It is just the first div of the old Football League. You are moving now to "their creation". Uefa created the CL, own it and organise it. Your argument is a shambles like the Super League.
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txj wrote:
That's not quite true.

The EPL was created by the clubs who act as shareholders. So its their league and their creation.

UEFA on the other hand is simply a middleman. They don't own any club, they don't own any players...

What they own, and rightfully so, is the European Championships contested by national teams of affiliate FAs.
The EPL doesn't own any club or any players. It is just the first div of the old Football League. You are moving now to "their creation". Uefa created the CL, own it and organise it. Your argument is a shambles like the Super League.
The EPL, founded by the clubs is a corporation in which the clubs are the shareholders. Thus the clubs own the EPL in which they play in.

UEFA owns the CL in which the clubs WHICH THEY DO NOT OWN, play in.

If the difference is not clear to you, then I can't help you...
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What makes laugh with this Clueless bunch is that they wanted to create their own little fiefdom, claim all this money, and basically close the door while still competing in the domestic league against teams with no access to that money. So laughable :laugh:
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Sleaky72 wrote:What makes laugh with this Clueless bunch is that they wanted to create their own little fiefdom, claim all this money, and basically close the door while still competing in the domestic league against teams with no access to that money. So laughable :laugh:
Not surprised Stan Kroenke was involved. We have got to find a way to make him leave the club.
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txj wrote: The EPL, founded by the clubs is a corporation in which the clubs are the shareholders. Thus the clubs own the EPL in which they play in.

UEFA owns the CL in which the clubs WHICH THEY DO NOT OWN, play in.

If the difference is not clear to you, then I can't help you...
But you asked why Uefa should be running the CL and the answer is they started and organise the competition and it is open to the top in domestic leagues. When the EPL was formed, it was based on the same formula and not by invitation. The clubs are also Uefa stakeholders with a say in how revenue is shared.
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Another angle that may appeal to the likes of nanijoe and txj


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFO3vzH3yug[/video]
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cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote: The EPL, founded by the clubs is a corporation in which the clubs are the shareholders. Thus the clubs own the EPL in which they play in.

UEFA owns the CL in which the clubs WHICH THEY DO NOT OWN, play in.

If the difference is not clear to you, then I can't help you...
But you asked why Uefa should be running the CL and the answer is they started and organise the competition and it is open to the top in domestic leagues. When the EPL was formed, it was based on the same formula and not by invitation. The clubs are also Uefa stakeholders with a say in how revenue is shared.
You keep dancing around with words lol...

The clubs are NOT shareholders of UEFA. I never said stakeholders...

Yes they started the CL, but they are simply middlemen. What the clubs want to do is cut out the middlemen...

The main stakeholders of UEFA are the various FAs.
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LOL..here's a guy who gets it. Squarely a fight between UEFA and ESL Billionaires. The fans have zilch to do with it...UEFA seemingly won this round by deploying their media resources to the max, even though I am convinced this was just a trial balloon by ESL.
UEFA really does not stand much of a chance in this fight...these guys mostly own the clubs in question, and like Barnes said, did not become billionaires by listening to what the fans want.

Lets see what the next moves are
benteke wrote:Another angle that may appeal to the likes of nanijoe and txj


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFO3vzH3yug[/video]
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txj wrote:
You keep dancing around with words lol...

The clubs are NOT shareholders of UEFA. I never said stakeholders...

Yes they started the CL, but they are simply middlemen. What the clubs want to do is cut out the middlemen...

The main stakeholders of UEFA are the various FAs.
This is what you said:
So why would UEFA own the UCL and seek to own it exclusively?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Why can't they own what they started and run? There was a time Uefa were begging clubs to take part in European competitions, when they saw it as a distraction to domestic leagues.

Uefa competitions are based on clubs. This makes clubs the main stakeholders. That's why they get a significant chunk of the revenue from the competitions they take part in - they get more than the FAs. The FAs are affiliated members of Uefa.
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nanijoe wrote:LOL..here's a guy who gets it. Squarely a fight between UEFA and ESL Billionaires. The fans have zilch to do with it...UEFA seemingly won this round by deploying their media resources to the max, even though I am convinced this was just a trial balloon by ESL.
UEFA really does not stand much of a chance in this fight...these guys mostly own the clubs in question, and like Barnes said, did not become billionaires by listening to what the fans want.

Lets see what the next moves are
benteke wrote:Another angle that may appeal to the likes of nanijoe and txj


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFO3vzH3yug[/video]
lol, the ESL has to consult with its member clubs for approval and then UEFA also who are the one's who can give the go ahead and approval would be regulated by UEFA as this is in the regulations. The idea they can go off and create a monopoly of a closed ESL would not get the go ahead from the UK and also Italy.
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benteke wrote:Another angle that may appeal to the likes of nanijoe and txj


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFO3vzH3yug[/video]
Barnes is right and wrong in equal measure. Of course, fans will always be shafted. Uefa, the EPL and the Super League are all about fighting over who has access to shafting fans. The trouble with the Super League is about changing the core basis on which football is based. Claiming the EPL breakaway from the old Football League is the same is not quite right. The EPL was made up of the old First Div. They didn't invite 2nd Div clubs on a permanent basis. The 2nd Div teams had a chance to enter on the same old principles of promotion and relegation, the EPL founders lost their place if they didn't perform. It was not a closed shop. The basis of the game was still the same.

He is also wrong that business must change football. Football is not a normal business. Even when you move from one business to the next, you should adapt to the traits of that particular sector. The risks you take in banking may cost lives in airlines. He also forgets that clubs in Germany and Spain have fan ownership. Very few other businesses have their punters with a significant stake.
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UEFA has caved in
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Manure fans break into training ground. https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ue-scandal
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Good analysis on why the Super League failed.
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Everyone, including the Uefa president, thinks Woodward was part of the Super League coup. He fitted the profile as a former JP Morgan exec. It is now being claimed that he resigned b/c he couldn't support the plans. It could be spin to stop Manure hoolies from targeting his house.
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Mr. Piffington wrote:What these past 48 hours has taught me is that all this idealistic talk about the "right way", "greed", "for the fans" is just feel good talk. The reality is that everyone is fighting for their interests, from UEFA/FIFA to the FA to the big clubs to lower league clubs. UEFA doesn't want to lose the revenue these big clubs generate, the big clubs want more money, the fans of the big clubs want to maintain their dominance by using their financial advantage to beat up the smaller clubs, fans of the traditional clubs view new money clubs like Chelsea, PSG, and my very own City as a threat to their dominance so they don't want true parity, they want a return to the good old days. The canon fodder clubs don't want to lose significant income that will happen if the big clubs left or stop paying much attention to the league. The government is pandering to voters, the players and managers sat and watched which way the tide was going as they didn't want to be caught backing the wrong horse in case the super league thing grew legs.

Meanwhile real issues like racism doesn't get the same energy, you'll get symbolic gestures for a minute then it's "Oh well, I've done my part, back to football."
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Nothing to add. My earlier take but was too tired and sleep deprived...
benteke wrote:Another angle that may appeal to the likes of nanijoe and txj


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFO3vzH3yug[/video]
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

See the peasants try to spin it around while they still get shafted. :twisted:

Those going on about a closed shop, that was probably going to be negotiated.

Simply expand to sixteen or twenty ESL teams, then relegate and promote 3 or 4.
See the EPL and the FA/Football League in 1991/2 :)

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cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:
You keep dancing around with words lol...

The clubs are NOT shareholders of UEFA. I never said stakeholders...

Yes they started the CL, but they are simply middlemen. What the clubs want to do is cut out the middlemen...

The main stakeholders of UEFA are the various FAs.
This is what you said:
So why would UEFA own the UCL and seek to own it exclusively?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Why can't they own what they started and run? There was a time Uefa were begging clubs to take part in European competitions, when they saw it as a distraction to domestic leagues.

Uefa competitions are based on clubs. This makes clubs the main stakeholders. That's why they get a significant chunk of the revenue from the competitions they take part in - they get more than the FAs. The FAs are affiliated members of Uefa.
The key is why UEFA should own the CL exclusively.

They do not own the clubs. Do not own the players. Do not pay any wages to players.

The clubs who own the players want to run their own competition, just like they do in the PL.

The UEFA stakeholders are the various FAs. That is why it is called the confederation of football associations.
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txj wrote:
The key is why UEFA should own the CL exclusively.

They do not own the clubs. Do not own the players. Do not pay any wages to players.

The clubs who own the players want to run their own competition, just like they do in the PL.

The UEFA stakeholders are the various FAs. That is why it is called the confederation of football associations.
B/c it belongs to them. They started it and they organise it.

Fifa doesn't won the national teams or the players, but organises the WC.

The clubs don't own the players. The players are employees. The players/coaches are up in arms for not being consulted about the Super League.

Uefa's stakeholders are clubs, FAs, etc. That's why they all have a say in how the money is shared.
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How the Super League Fell Apart

Frantic phone calls, secret meetings and high-stakes threats: The inside story of how a billion-dollar European soccer superleague was born, and then collapsed, in less than a week.

Published April 22, 2021Updated April 23, 2021, 7:11 a.m. ET

LONDON — For 48 hours, soccer stood on the brink. Fans took to the streets. Players broke into open revolt. Chaos stalked the game’s corridors of power, unleashing a shock wave that resonated around the world, from Manchester to Manila, Barcelona to Beijing, and Liverpool to Los Angeles.

That internationalism is what has turned European soccer, over the last 30 years, into a global obsession. The elite teams of western Europe are stocked with stars drawn from Africa, South America and all points in between. They draw fans not just from England, Italy and Spain, but China, India and Australia in numbers large enough to tempt broadcasters across the planet to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for the rights to show their games.

But while soccer is now the biggest business in sports, it remains, at heart, an intensely local affair. Teams rooted in neighborhoods and based in small towns compete in domestic leagues that have existed for more than a century, competitions in which the great and the good share the field — and at least some of the finances — with the minor and the makeweight.

An uneasy truce between the two faces of the world’s game had held for decades. And then, on Sunday night, it cracked, as an unlikely alliance of American hedge funds, Russian oligarchs, European industrial tycoons and Gulf royals sought to seize control of the revenues of the world’s most popular sport by creating a closed European superleague.

How that plan came together and then spectacularly collapsed is a story of egos and intrigue, avarice and ambition, secret meetings and private lunches, international finance and internecine strife. It lasted just two frantic, feverish days, but that was more than enough time to shake the world.

The Secret

Last Thursday, Javier Tebas and Joan Laporta were supposed to be having a cordial, celebratory lunch. A few days earlier, Laporta had been elected to a second term as president of F.C. Barcelona. Tebas, the outspoken, unashamedly bellicose executive in charge of Spain’s national league, wanted to be among the first to congratulate him on his victory.

It did not turn out that way. Laporta revealed to Tebas that Barcelona was almost certainly joining a dozen or so of Europe’s most famous, most successful teams in a breakaway competition, one that would effectively unmoor its members from the game’s traditional structures and, crucially, its multibillion-dollar economy.

The threat was nothing new. There has long been a perception, at least among soccer’s rich and powerful teams, that since they have the most fans, they generate the bulk of the sport’s revenue. It follows, then, that they should be treated to a greater slice of its income. Like clockwork, every few years they would float a plan to group the best teams together in a single competition. And, like clockwork, the grand plan would fail to materialize, the big clubs bought off by promises of more power and more money if only they would agree to stay.

But Tebas felt this new effort was more serious, more real. Laporta (the snitch) told him that a half-dozen teams had already committed. Several more had been told that they had until the end of the weekend to decide.

Tebas raised the alarm. He called officials in leagues across Europe. He called executives of powerful clubs. And he reached out to Aleksander Ceferin, the president of European soccer’s governing body, the organization that Tebas knew had the most to lose.

Aleksander Ceferin, the president of European soccer’s governing body, excoriated the executives leading the Super League as “snakes” and “liars.”
Aleksander Ceferin, the president of European soccer’s governing body, excoriated the executives leading the Super League as “snakes” and “liars.”Richard Juilliart/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Ceferin, a lean, plain-spoken 53-year-old lawyer from Slovenia, was baffled. Only a few weeks earlier, his close friend and ally Andrea Agnelli, the president of the Italian league champion Juventus, the scion of one of Europe’s great industrial families and the leader of the association representing European soccer clubs, had assured him that whispers about a new round of breakaway talks were only “a rumor.”

Just a day earlier, in fact, Agnelli and his organization had recommitted to a suite of reforms to the Champions League, European soccer’s crown jewel and its biggest moneymaker. Everything was set to be approved on Monday.

Still, the drumbeat of rumors continued, and Ceferin felt he needed to be sure. So as he slid into the front seat of his Audi Q8 on Saturday to start the eight-hour drive from his home in Ljubljana to his office in Switzerland, he decided to get to the bottom of things. He placed a call to Agnelli. His friend did not pick up.

Ceferin — the godfather to Agnelli’s youngest child — texted the Italian’s wife and asked if she might get the Juventus president to call him urgently. He was three hours into his journey when his cellphone rang. Breezily, Agnelli reassured Ceferin, again, that everything was fine.

Ceferin suggested they issue a joint communiqué that would put the issue to rest. Agnelli agreed. Ceferin drafted a statement from the car and sent it to Agnelli. An hour later, Agnelli asked for time to send back an amended version. Hours passed. The men traded more calls. Eventually, the Italian told Ceferin he needed another 30 minutes.

And then Agnelli turned off his phone. :lol: :lol: Friends... :lol: :lol:


The Revolt

The reason that the threat of a superleague had carried so much menace for so long is that much of soccer’s vast economy rests on a fragile bond.

Both domestic championships — like England’s Premier League and Spain’s La Liga — and Pan-continental tournaments like the Champions League to some extent rely on the presence of the elite clubs to attract fans and, through them, broadcasters and sponsors. Without them, the revenue streams that filter down to and sustain smaller teams might collapse.

For decades, the system rested on appeasing the rich teams just enough to encourage them to retain their loyalty to the collective. All of a sudden, that trust was fraying.

As he arrived in Switzerland, Ceferin fielded two more calls that made clear how real the threat to European soccer’s future had become. Two teams, one English and one Spanish, informed him that they had been pressed to sign up for the breakaway league. They had decided to accept, but wanted to remain on good terms with European soccer’s governing body.

Ceferin’s response was polite, but blunt. If they allied with the rebels, they should prepare for an all-out attack.

With his inner circle, Ceferin got to work. They broke the news to some board members of the European Club Association, the umbrella group of about 250 European teams. Its president, Agnelli, and senior executives like Manchester United’s Ed Woodward had misled them about supporting the Champions League reform plan, they said.

They told the clubs that, even though the breakaway clubs intended to remain in their own domestic leagues, too, the plan would see the value of those competitions’ broadcast deals collapse. Sponsorships would evaporate. It would decimate the rest of soccer’s finances. “They were outraged, they couldn’t believe it,” Ceferin said in an interview on Wednesday. “Even mafia organizations have some sort of code.”

By lunchtime on Sunday, the roster of the insurgents was known. Ceferin started referring to them as the Dirty Dozen. As well as Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atlético Madrid had signed up from Spain. There were six from England: Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham. In Italy, Juventus had been joined by A.C. Milan and Inter Milan.


Not all of them were equal partners. Executives at Manchester City and Chelsea, for example, had only learned on Friday that the plan was in motion. They had been told that they had no more than a day or so to decide whether they were in or out. Either way, they were warned, the train was leaving the station.

City quickly succumbed, but others proved more resistant. Bayern Munich and Paris St.-Germain, the dominant forces in Germany and France, had both been approached. They had declined the offer, preferring to stay — at least for the moment — aligned with the rest of Europe.

They supplied some of the intelligence that allowed UEFA and national leagues in Spain, Italy and England to plan their counterattack. :ohmy: When the group learned that an official statement revealing the creation of the new competition, called the Super League, would be made late Sunday, they made plans to issue their own — disavowing the project.

But before they could, the news leaked. The public outcry, particularly in Britain, was immediate. Fans hung banners outside their teams’ stadiums, and lawmakers took to the airwaves to denounce the rebels for their greed and disrespect toward soccer’s traditions.

Gary Neville, a former Manchester United captain, unleashed a several-minute tirade against his former team and Liverpool, English soccer’s two most popular teams. The screed went viral, and it was soon being shared by opponents of the project via the messaging application WhatsApp.

This explains some of the emotions on CE that didn't make sense. Reactions to a media stooge.

This was precisely what some of those involved with the project had feared. There had been doubts that the plan was ready to go live; insiders worried that it might not survive a fierce initial backlash. “This is not the time to do it,” an executive involved in the project warned. The executive suggested holding off until summer.

By then, it was hoped, the clubs might have found a frontman for the breakaway. Florentino Pérez, the president of Real Madrid, had been the driving force behind much of it; it was, to some extent, his brainchild. But his peers were aware that he would struggle to convince an English audience, in particular.

The Manchester United co-chairman Joel Glazer, whose family also owns the Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers; Chelsea’s Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich; and Arsenal’s Stan Kroenke, who controls nearly a dozen professional teams, almost never speak publicly. Manchester City’s owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan, a member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi, doesn’t speak to reporters at all. And others considered for the role — like Liverpool’s majority owner, John W. Henry — were unwilling to accept it.

There were also concerns that the rebels’ communications strategy — marshaled by Katie Perrior, a political operative close to Boris Johnson, the British prime minister — was too focused on winning governmental, rather than popular, support. There had been no effort to consult, involve or win over fans, players or coaches. An outcry might destroy everything before the lobbying effort could begin in earnest.

Those concerns were not heeded. Agnelli, theoretically a voice for all of Europe’s clubs in his governance roles and a close friend of Ceferin, was feeling the strain of being, in effect, a double agent. He had protected the rebels’ secret for weeks, shading the truth — or worse — in talks with friends and allies. On Monday morning, though, he would have to sit on the dais with the rest of the UEFA board as it voted to approve changes to a Champions League that would be under mortal threat from the Super League.

He knew the league was happening. With the signatures of Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid in hand, the founding members were set. The financing, delivered by the Spanish advisory firm Key Capital Partners and backed by the American bank JPMorgan Chase, would mean billions in new riches. Agnelli simply needed the news out.

Glazer, one of Manchester United’s co-chairmen, agreed. He was adamant it was time to press the button.

And so, despite all the doubts, the clubs showed their hand just after 11 on Sunday night in London. An official announcement, published simultaneously on the 12 teams’ websites, revealed that they had all signed up to what they called the Super League. But by then, the narrative that the project was driven by the greed of a few wealthy clubs and their leaders had taken shape.

“It was dead in the water by 11:10,” the executive involved in the plan said. “Everyone had climbed their hill and would not be able to come down.”


Uncivil War

By first light the next day, the battle lines had been drawn. And it was quickly clear that the breakaway 12 had next to no support.

But rather than mount a public defense, sending out a phalanx of officials to make a case that the league was good for soccer’s entire pyramid, arguing that it would shower millions on the teams and leagues left behind, the Super League’s first act was to deliver a letter to Europe’s governing body, UEFA, and soccer’s global leadership at FIFA.

The league, the letter informed the governing bodies, had already filed motions in several European countries to prevent anyone from blocking the project.

Ceferin, meanwhile, was back to working the phones to rally opposition. He sought the support of Gianni Infantino, the FIFA president, even though the men rarely saw eye to eye. He also had a lengthy call with Oliver Dowden, the lawmaker responsible for sport and culture in Britain. Dowden said the British government would do everything in its power to stop the breakaway clubs from “stealing” the game.

Soon Johnson, the British prime minister, was being interviewed on television, staking out a position against the plan in a savvy play for public support. His French counterpart, Emmanuel Macron, issued a statement condemning the plan. Prince William posted a tweet expressing his “concerns” about the Super League.

By the time he appeared in public on Monday, Ceferin had led a UEFA executive committee meeting where Agnelli was notable by his absence. Agnelli had resigned his board post — and his role as head of the European clubs group — minutes after the Super League’s late-night announcement. With his seat empty, the remaining members voted through changes to the Champions League, and then got back to work in their effort to crush the new league that was threatening it.

Ceferin, stern-faced, then excoriated the breakaway group in his first comments to reporters. He reserved specific vitriol for Manchester United’s Woodward, who he felt had misled him, and for Agnelli. Ceferin called the men “snakes” and “liars,” and described how they had led him to believe he had their full support for the Champions League revisions.

“Agnelli is the biggest disappointment of all,” Ceferin said. “I have never seen a person who would lie so many times and so persistently as he did.” :lol: :lol:

By then, the acrimony was spreading across the European soccer landscape. The Premier League held a meeting without its six rebel teams, and the remaining 14 clubs discussed what punitive measures to take against those who had signed up for the Super League. Daniel Levy, the chairman of Tottenham, one of the rebel clubs, asked Paul Barber, the chief executive of Brighton, to share a message of regret at the meeting. He did, but few seemed interested in Levy’s sentiment. :lol:

In Italy, a hastily arranged meeting was even more febrile. Owners and executives of the teams in Serie A, the country’s top league, turned on officials from Juventus, Inter and Milan. Tensions were already soaring; cash-poor teams, their budgets devastated by the coronavirus pandemic, had been arguing with their richer rivals over television contracts and whether to accept investment from a consortium of private equity companies.

Now Agnelli, who had quickly become a lightning rod for the Super League, was called a traitor by the chairman of Juventus’s crosstown rival, Torino. Agnelli, in a typically pugnacious manner, was said to have retorted with an expletive, saying he did not care if Juventus remained in Serie A.

“It’s a betrayal,” the Torino president, Urbano Cairo, told reporters. “It’s what a Judas does.” :lol:

English teams, notably Liverpool and Chelsea, had other reasons to be concerned. Their fans were already gathering outside the stadiums from which they had been barred by the pandemic, hanging banners denouncing the Super League on walls and entry gates.

Late in the afternoon, hundreds of angry supporters surrounded Liverpool’s team bus as it made its way to Leeds United’s Elland Road stadium for a game. Inside the stadium, the Leeds players wore T-shirts expressing solidarity with soccer’s current system during warm-ups. When Leeds scored a late goal to secure a 1-1 tie, its official Twitter account mocked the visitors.


Players, too, were starting to make their views known. Manchester United’s squad had demanded a meeting with Woodward to express not only their fury at being forced to find out about the plan through the news media, but their disapproval of the idea itself. Several other high-profile stars, playing for teams not involved in the breakaway, had posted messages disavowing the plan on social media.

On Monday evening, after his team’s game with Leeds, Liverpool’s most senior player, James Milner, revealed that he and his teammates had not been consulted about the club’s involvement in the plan. “I don’t like it, and I hope it doesn’t happen,” he said. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Grandiose delusions....

Inside the clubs, unease was mounting. The plan had been kept secret even from high-level executives — “It was an ownership thing,” said one executive at one of the teams involved — and there had been little warning of what was to come. At some clubs, an all-staff email flashed around just before the statement was released.

At others, high-profile figures were left to read about it on social media. Paolo Maldini, a legendary former player and now an executive at A.C. Milan, had heard nothing until it was announced. Michael Edwards, Liverpool’s sporting director, was blindsided. Some started to worry about the safety of their families as the outrage spread.


In Switzerland, Ceferin was in his hotel room, drafting and redrafting a speech he was to make the next day at UEFA’s annual meeting. He had already started to field calls from Super League clubs, mainly from England, concerned about the growing backlash and the possible consequences they — and their players — could face by signing up for an unsanctioned tournament.

In January, FIFA had warned clubs and players that anyone taking part in a breakaway league risked banishment from events like the World Cup. Earlier Monday, Ceferin had repeated the threat, but now his tone was softening.

“I had a feeling they wanted to repair this mistake and they didn’t know how to do it,” Ceferin said. So he changed his speech. Now, it offered an olive branch to those teams he knew were searching for one.

He inched closer to winning them back when Pérez, the Real Madrid president, made what was in hindsight the disastrous — if brave — decision to defend the Super League plan on a flashy, late-night television show.
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Largely unchallenged by the hosts, he pledged that the league was an altruistic venture even as it funneled ever more billions to a handful of rich teams, and to lambast the Champions League reforms that Agnelli, now the Super League’s vice chairman, only weeks earlier had described as “beautiful.”


In the headquarters of the other Super League clubs, executives held their heads in their hands. Still, though, they remained mute, unwilling to go public to defend a plan that Pérez claimed had been designed expressly to “save football.”

The Collapse

As Ceferin prepared to deliver his keynote address on Tuesday morning in Montreux, reports began to emerge that several teams — Chelsea and Manchester City among them — were considering dropping out. Television networks and sponsors had come out against the breakaway plan, and the British government was threatening official action to block it.

Any doubts among the teams hardened as FIFA’s Infantino dispelled growing speculation that he secretly harbored hopes the project would succeed.


“If some elect to go their own way, then they must live with the consequences of their choice, they are responsible for their choice,” Infantino said, raising again the possibility that the renegade clubs and their players could face excommunication. “Concretely this means, either you are in, or you are out.”

Then it was Ceferin’s turn. He talked about greed and selfishness, but also about soccer’s importance in the fabric of European culture, and in the lives of the millions who follow the game across the Continent. He then made his direct pitch to the English clubs, the one he had written into his draft hours earlier.

“Gentlemen, you made a huge mistake,” he told them, staring directly into the cameras. “Some will say it is greed, others disdain, arrogance, flippancy or complete ignorance of England’s football culture. It does not matter.

“What does matter is that there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes.”

Within hours, the project’s demise started to snowball. In a meeting with the Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and fan groups from all six English teams, Johnson said he was considering detonating “a legislative bomb” to halt the putsch. More and more players came out against the idea. Marcus Rashford, Manchester United’s homegrown striker, posted an image on Twitter that read: “Football Is Nothing Without Fans.” :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Craziness!Liverpool’s entire squad released a simultaneous message disavowing the project.

The team captain, Jordan Henderson, had convened a meeting of his counterparts at every Premier League team to discuss a concerted response. Manchester City’s respected coach, Pep Guardiola, declared his opposition to the mere idea of a closed league of superclubs, saying that “it is not sport if you cannot lose.” It was a turn of events that the rebel clubs had not foreseen.

As evening drew near, hundreds of fans gathered outside Stamford Bridge, Chelsea’s home stadium, to protest the plan before the team’s game with Brighton. They blocked streets, and surrounded the bus carrying the players when it arrived. Petr Cech, a club legend, went out to try to speak to the protesters. Inside, team officials leaked the news that Chelsea was exploring ways to exit its Super League contract.

But it was Manchester City that was the first to break ranks officially, releasing a short statement saying it was pulling out.


The Super League executives were stunned, unsure of what was happening. That night, Arsenal and its North London rival Tottenham announced their departures within minutes of each other. Manchester United confirmed that Woodward — its top executive and one of the main architects of the Super League — would leave the club at the end of the year. Then came a statement from the club that it was withdrawing, too. Almost immediately, Liverpool confirmed it was out.

The Super League, having lost half its members, and its entire foothold in England, was finished. Inter Milan dropped out a few hours later, and then, as the clock ticked to the 48-hour mark since its grand announcement, the Super League released an unsigned statement acknowledging that the plan was no longer viable.

By then, Ceferin was back in Slovenia, having completed the eight-hour return trip from Montreux. He stayed up until about 2 a.m., digesting the news. He released a statement welcoming back the English teams into the European fold. He started to respond to the thousands of messages that had swamped his phone over the previous two days.

Then he closed his laptop, and helped himself to a double whiskey. :)

Rory Smith is the chief soccer correspondent, based in Manchester, England. He covers all aspects of European soccer and has reported from three World Cups, the Olympics, and numerous European tournaments. @RorySmith

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Poor timing and execution. It's amazing to see how the masses are easily manipulated. Let me watch Barça and LCFC highlights then go back to sleep.
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.”- Sun Tzu

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