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txj wrote: UEFA I admit latched on to the fan reaction and then actively promoted it using institutional structures, and friendly media. As well as politicians like in Britain, Italy, Denmark, etc...

I don't underestimate fan reaction. But they are largely emotional and ignorant.

For instance you have LFC fans asking for FSG to leave, but no Chelsea fan is asking for Roman to leave!
Chelsea fans see Roman as a rich benefactor, Liverpool fans see FSG as milking the club for profit.
That is not factually correct.
Is not about what is correct is what they believe.
LFC was a household name before FSG came,Arsenal fans asking that fruad to leave also.
Chelsea without Roman they will be just like West Ham,they appreciate that and will never demand such

That is also not correct.
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That is also not correct.
Ticket hike protests, protests about trademarking "Liverpool", the slogan "enough is enough"....

Real Liverpool fans, not "consumers" from afar.
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That is also not correct.
Ticket hike protests, protests about trademarking "Liverpool", the slogan "enough is enough"....

Real Liverpool fans, not "consumers" from afar.

Milking the club for profit is what you said.

That is NOT correct. Hicks and Gillette did that, not FSG.

Nothing you've posted above supports that...Not the ticket prices, not the trademark issue, not the LFC accounts.

Instead what you have is FSG's very progressive mgt of the team and investment in the club, without ever overloading the club with debt.
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Milking the club for profit is what you said.

That is NOT correct. Hicks and Gillette did that, not FSG.

Nothing you've posted above supports that...Not the ticket prices, not the trademark issue, not the LFC accounts.

Instead what you have is FSG's very progressive mgt of the team and investment in the club, without ever overloading the club with debt.
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Which leads me on to my next point, this sentimental daft rhetoric of fans who claim FSG "saved our club". They did not save our club, they bought a heavily reduced product in financial ruin, with huge potential for profit with the right marketing technique. They pursued this profits immediately, if anyone remembers the "turning fans into customers" line on their website - it speaks volumes alone.

They ripped the heart out of the club, packages Anfield to day trippers and ensured the atmosphere was inconsistent at best, turned us into the global marketing machine mirroring that of Manchester United. The people of Liverpool were no longer the main focus of the club, the sale of Melwood to a housing association proves the point further, as does the constant increase in ticket prices, the attempted ban of fans who sell scarves and badges outside of the stadium for tiny profit - who have been part of the match day furniture and atmosphere for years, the poor treatment of departing heroes: Lucas Leiva, Dirk Kuyt and arguably Steven Gerrard never getting the send off they deserved. FSG has sold the fans down the river for pure greed.
Furthermore, I don't hate FSG - they're business owners, investors for profit. They aren't football fans and have no affiliation with Liverpool, they shouldn't be expected to care. It's modern football, many premier league teams have it worse. They aren't harming anyone. However, will people please stop spreading all the pro FSG propaganda.

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You are not a Liverpool fan and not well informed about the club. Posting the comments of a few disgruntled and uninformed fans doesn't change anything.

Here are comments from the leading LFC blog tomkinstimes.com

– Jeff gets us underway, as so often, with a look at the issue of clubs making their own broadcasting arrangements:
Please remember that FSG own the Boston Red Sox and the New England Sports Network which is a regional sports cable network, and this network broadcasts Red Sox games – every one – to not only New England but also who wants to subscribe to this channel. If you live in the USA, you sometimes can get Liverpool matches if you have the right cable package and sometimes you cannot get Liverpool matches unless you pay a Premium to NBC and get all the dreck that is on their Premium Service. The only time I ever watch anything on their Premium Service is to what Liverpool and I would rather have the money I pay for dreck only go to Liverpool. If the Premier League wants a package where it picks the games I get this is the say it is with Major League Baseball but I subscribe to all the Phillies games and I pay for this service and the money goes to the Phillies. What FSG want is the right to be able to broadcast Liverpool matches to people who want to watch Liverpool matches and are willing to pay for this service. I can only speak for myself but I would rather the 10 dollars a month I pay for the NBC Premium Service and the 3 dollars a month I pay for NBS Sports Channel go to Liverpool and not NBC or the Premier League. In addition, I have watched NESN broadcast baseball and I am certain it would do a better job broadcasting Liverpool than the feeds NBC uses.

To me the issue is that I should be able to have the right to determine where my money goes and the right to watch Liverpool and for Liverpool to enjoy my patronage and my money. It is not socialism nor is it capitalism it is simply my right to spend my money the way I want to spend my money.

2 – Justin on talk of proposed punishments for the ESL clubs:
Isn’t it laughable that people think any of the “These 6” (I can’t call them Big 6 because I am not certain Tottenham or even Man City can be classed as such) can be legally punished. What did they actually do? Did they do anything?

They did not want to leave the Premier League and they never asked for it. They certainly did not have time to write a formal letter/document to withdraw from the Champions League. None of them failed to show up to a scheduled match. They said they would play an ADDITIONAL tournament. A tournament, by the way, every domestic league had a right to say they cannot play in, so they were essentially asking for permission in public.

They didn’t violate any actual laws and didn’t violate any actual football regulations yet. All they did was talk about it and put up a website that a kid could have done in 2 days. They violated a MORAL code only. I didn’t know you can get punished by the law for being a f*ckw!t.

None of these 6 will take any sanction lying down. Domestic Leagues and UEFA will be sued straight away.

3 -Alan having trouble with some LFC Supporters groups:
It seems I am in the process of blocking almost all ( maybe I’m not finished yet ) LFC fan and supporters groups …..just for being far too hypocritical and posting self righteous, high horse drivel about FSG, and in the next sentence saying all will be forgiven if they buy Mbappe and Haaland etc……..the mind boggles !
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txj wrote:You are not a Liverpool fan and not well informed about the club. Posting the comments of a few disgruntled and uninformed fans doesn't change anything.

Here are comments from the leading LFC blog tomkinstimes.com
I know more about Liverpool than you would ever know.

We are back on "ignorant" and "uninformed" again. The evidence of your ignorance is spread across about 18 pages of this thread.
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cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:You are not a Liverpool fan and not well informed about the club. Posting the comments of a few disgruntled and uninformed fans doesn't change anything.

Here are comments from the leading LFC blog tomkinstimes.com
I know more about Liverpool than you would ever know.

We are back on "ignorant" and "uninformed" again. The evidence of your ignorance is spread across about 18 pages of this thread.
:rotf: :rotf:
At this point its a waste of time continuing this...
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If you get BBC News try and catch "Three days that shook football" - about the ESL. Next showing is tomorrow at 1:30pm UK time. Some of those interviewed repeated my points here. One of them said, this move has set back plans for the ESL.

The current edition of Private Eye mag ("In the City" financial pages) also provides some useful insight.

Some key points:
Football, like stock markets, is driven by greed and fear - the motivations behind the ESL project. The fear factor was driving clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Chinese-owned Inter Milan, all drowning in debt. Thus the proposed E300m-400m "golden hello" was also welcomed by debt-laden Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal and Juventus. Only Chelsea and Manchester City did not need that lifeline.

The greed came from the American owners of Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and AC Milan, whose ESL business model was based on the hugely profitable no promotion/no relegation cartel/closed shop franchises for American football, baseball and basketball from which they have benefited spectacularly.
It is also a system which gives virtual complete control to the owners. They can move clubs across the US. Arsenal owner "Silent Stan" Kroenke moved the Los Angeles Rams football team to St Louis, then, after buying full control, back to Los Angeles over a 20 year period.
The key to why Kroenke, Liverpool's John Henry and the Glazer family at Manchester United want a closed system is that it ensures a one-way escalation in the value of franchises, unlike with the unhappy investor experience of football clubs in the London stock market.
The piece then illustrates how the absence of relegation increases the value of franchises - Boston Red Sox bought for $380m by FSG in 2002 now valued for $3.57bn, Kroenke bought the Rams for $450m in 2010, now worth $4bn. The Glazers bought Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1995 for $192m, now worth $2.28bn. Shahid Khan bought Jacksonville Jaguars for $760m in 2011, now worth $2.45bn. He bought Fulham for £121m in 2013. A year later they were relegated and since 2018, promoted, relegated and promoted - with impact on valuations.
No wonder American owners prefer their cartels.
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.

Last month the NFL signed an 11 year deal worth $110bn. Who wouldn't want a piece of that pie - and to ensure always being at the table?
The ESL was made possible by a E3.25bn loan arranged by well-known Wall Street football experts JP Morgan, in return for lucrative fees and interest payments over its planned 23 year life.

Viewing the wreckage last week...CEO Jamie Dimon admitted it had "misjudged how the deal would be viewed by the wider football community". Perhaps because - like Henry, Kroenke, the Glazers and Tottenham's Bahamas-based owner Joe Lewis - he knows little about the game and cares even less.
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2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
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Liverpool would have increased in value with or without John Henry. The EPL was already getting bigger commercial deals. The EPL existed before the greedy Americans came in and it will exist well after they leave the club. They want to destroy the purity of the sport with their American no relegation rubbish. The fans say no.
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ohenhen1 wrote:Liverpool would have increased in value with or without John Henry. The EPL was already getting bigger commercial deals. The EPL existed before the greedy Americans came in and it will exist well after they leave the club. They want to destroy the purity of the sport with their American no relegation rubbish. The fans say no.
Its hard to debate with people who are just plain ignorant, so I wont bother...

But just to say that LFC was months from administration before JH. That is the fact.

The rest is speculation of what coulda, woulda....
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txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
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LFC consolidated financial accounts for the year to May 31, 2020.

Media revenue down by £59m to £202m
Matchday revenue down by £13m to £71m
Commercial revenue up by £29m to £217m
Overall revenue down by £43m to £490m
Loss before tax was £46m


Yes, rising TV deals is a major factor in the increasing value of LFC, but so is commercial revenue.

An 88% increase in value cannot be achieved merely from TV revenue, which per EPL formula is shared in a manner that means LFC is effectively subsidizing Burnley...

Those same TV revenues were there, albeit at a lower level, in 2010 when the club was weeks from administration...

But more importantly, FSG knows with hard data that greater control of TV rights is the ultimate guarantee of improved revenues and competitiveness of LFC. That is the bottomline for FSG...
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cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.
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benteke wrote:
cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.

The level of ignorance above is mind boggling!

The YoY value of these clubs has been changing for the better part of a decade, since Forbes started tracking this.

I understand this is sports/entertainment, but surely folks can think and do some basic research...
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txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.

The level of ignorance above is mind boggling!

The YoY value of these clubs has been changing for the better part of a decade, since Forbes started tracking this.

I understand this is sports/entertainment, but surely folks can think and do some basic research...
Dude, as many have mantioned, your ignorance amidst arrigance is on display across 11 pages of this thread, although you are trying very hard to redeem yourself in other ways :laugh:
Anyway We'll leave it at that :laugh:
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benteke wrote:
txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.

The level of ignorance above is mind boggling!

The YoY value of these clubs has been changing for the better part of a decade, since Forbes started tracking this.

I understand this is sports/entertainment, but surely folks can think and do some basic research...
Dude, as many have mantioned, your ignorance amidst arrigance is on display across 11 pages of this thread, although you are trying very hard to redeem yourself in other ways :laugh:
Anyway We'll leave it at that :laugh:

Its hard to engage with stupid and ignorant people, most especially when such people are unwilling to learn!

Like I said, the YoY value of clubs has been changing for more than a decade, and your statement above is just plain daft.

Bluster cannot change that fact. GTHOH
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txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
cic old boy wrote:
txj wrote:2010: Pre, John Henry and FSG, LFC value: 300m BP

2021: Under FSG, LFC value: 2.98b BP

Note that the value is increased 88% prior to ESL
The driving force for high valuations is ever rising TV deals.
EPL TV deal in 2010 - £1bn
EPL TV deal in 2021 - £5bn

I can't be bothered to look up the CL TV rights numbers.

The ESL plan was to guarantee that type of money for "founder" clubs for 23 years - something Liverpool could lose next year from the CL due to the risk of not qualifying.
I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.

The level of ignorance above is mind boggling!

The YoY value of these clubs has been changing for the better part of a decade, since Forbes started tracking this.

I understand this is sports/entertainment, but surely folks can think and do some basic research...
Dude, as many have mantioned, your ignorance amidst arrigance is on display across 11 pages of this thread, although you are trying very hard to redeem yourself in other ways :laugh:
Anyway We'll leave it at that :laugh:

Its hard to engage with stupid and ignorant people, most especially when such people are unwilling to learn!

Like I said, the YoY value of clubs has been changing for more than a decade, and your statement above is just plain daft.

Bluster cannot change that fact. GTHOH
Your problem is you think you are telling other people something new.
Others are giving you clues but you are too daft :biggrin:
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benteke wrote:
txj wrote: The level of ignorance above is mind boggling!

The YoY value of these clubs has been changing for the better part of a decade, since Forbes started tracking this.

I understand this is sports/entertainment, but surely folks can think and do some basic research...
Dude, as many have mantioned, your ignorance amidst arrigance is on display across 11 pages of this thread, although you are trying very hard to redeem yourself in other ways :laugh:
Anyway We'll leave it at that :laugh:
Its hard to engage with stupid and ignorant people, most especially when such people are unwilling to learn!

Like I said, the YoY value of clubs has been changing for more than a decade, and your statement above is just plain daft.

Bluster cannot change that fact. GTHOH[/quote]

Your problem is you think you are telling other people something new.
Others are giving you clues but you are too daft :biggrin:[/quote]

I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.
Above is what you wrote.

How anyone can think they are telling anybody something that remotely makes sense beats me...

Just read up on Forbes valuation of clubs and come back and tell me how your statement above makes any sense...
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txj wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:Liverpool would have increased in value with or without John Henry. The EPL was already getting bigger commercial deals. The EPL existed before the greedy Americans came in and it will exist well after they leave the club. They want to destroy the purity of the sport with their American no relegation rubbish. The fans say no.
Its hard to debate with people who are just plain ignorant, so I wont bother...

But just to say that LFC was months from administration before JH. That is the fact.

The rest is speculation of what coulda, woulda....
I don't debate with people that are stubborn and rely on speculation. You just made a claim that the club was months away from administration without proof to back that claim and you want us to take you seriously.

I on the other hand. Can post commercial deals and etc. Liverpool value would have grown in value with or without John Henry. Kit deals, TV right deals and other commercial deals and etc have increased 10 folds.

Just admit it, the ESL was a terrible idea. The fans rejected it and want John Henry out.
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ohenhen1 wrote:
txj wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:Liverpool would have increased in value with or without John Henry. The EPL was already getting bigger commercial deals. The EPL existed before the greedy Americans came in and it will exist well after they leave the club. They want to destroy the purity of the sport with their American no relegation rubbish. The fans say no.
Its hard to debate with people who are just plain ignorant, so I wont bother...

But just to say that LFC was months from administration before JH. That is the fact.

The rest is speculation of what coulda, woulda....
I don't debate with people that are stubborn and rely on speculation. You just made a claim that the club was months away from administration without proof to back that claim and you want us to take you seriously.

I on the other hand. Can post commercial deals and etc. Liverpool value would have grown in value with or without John Henry. Kit deals, TV right deals and other commercial deals and etc have increased 10 folds.

Just admit it, the ESL was a terrible idea. The fans rejected it and want John Henry out.

Please do not debate with me again. You are way too stupid to engage with me in a serious discussion.

It was well known LFC was on the brink of administration.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... on-3344139

How do you know LFC's value would've grown with or without JH? Are you clairvoyant? How many clubs have grown in value in England even with the EPL TV revenue?
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Re: Big Six sign up for new European Super League

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txj wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:
txj wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:Liverpool would have increased in value with or without John Henry. The EPL was already getting bigger commercial deals. The EPL existed before the greedy Americans came in and it will exist well after they leave the club. They want to destroy the purity of the sport with their American no relegation rubbish. The fans say no.
Its hard to debate with people who are just plain ignorant, so I wont bother...

But just to say that LFC was months from administration before JH. That is the fact.

The rest is speculation of what coulda, woulda....
I don't debate with people that are stubborn and rely on speculation. You just made a claim that the club was months away from administration without proof to back that claim and you want us to take you seriously.

I on the other hand. Can post commercial deals and etc. Liverpool value would have grown in value with or without John Henry. Kit deals, TV right deals and other commercial deals and etc have increased 10 folds.

Just admit it, the ESL was a terrible idea. The fans rejected it and want John Henry out.

Please do not debate with me again. You are way too stupid to engage with me in a serious discussion.

It was well known LFC was on the brink of administration.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... on-3344139

How do you know LFC's value would've grown with or without JH? Are you clairvoyant? How many clubs have grown in value in England even with the EPL TV revenue?
That fine with me. I don't gain anything debating you. You can take your no relegation nonsense back to the US. The UK people have rejected it.
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Re: Big Six sign up for new European Super League

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I would also like to think the increase in value of these EPL clubs is across the board with slight differences here and there, but nothing unique to Liverpool.
Above is what you wrote.

How anyone can think they are telling anybody something that remotely makes sense beats me...

Just read up on Forbes valuation of clubs and come back and tell me how your statement above makes any sense...
What it is, commercial revenues of many EPL clubs especially the big 6 that almost joined super league, their commercial revenues have been on the increase since around 2006, it has been an upward trend generally with a few dips here and there, but generally upwards, and this usually goes along with the forbes valuations, those valuations tied with commercial revenues and good broadcasting deals, as some have alresdy posted
That's what i was saying, even Manchester United was going to increase in valuation with or without the Glazers, and that's why the Glazers dived in to buy it in the first place. That's the general point being made, and a good reason why even Arsenal fans are unhappy with the Kroenkes.....

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