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Will a South American country ever win the WC again?

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Next year when the next WC rolls around it will be 20 years since a South American country(Brazil) last won it. Since then Italy, Spain, Germany and France have done the honors.

Is Europe so far ahead of everybody else now? Can they be caught, or is it just a case of numbers (only 3 real South American contenders in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay)?

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Brazil will win the next worldcup, they haven't lost a game since Belgium in 18. You must give S.A credit, they do not have many teams like the Europeans, the fact that 3 out of 10 teams can boast of winning the world cup 9 times, compared to Europe with over 50 teams . They've performed better . They still produced the country with the most wins (5 times) It is easier for Europeans to win the world-cup, when they meet each other all the time due to the numbers . 13 out of 32 and from 2026 they will have about 16 teams
Confederation FIFA eligible members Places in finals
(including hosts) Percentage of members
with places in finals Places before 2026
(excluding hosts,
including half-places)
AFC 46 8 17% 4.5
CAF 54 9 17% 5
CONCACAF 35 6 17% 3.5
CONMEBOL 10 6 60% 4.5
OFC 11 1 9% 0.5
UEFA 55 16 29% 13
Playoff – 2 33% –
Total 211 48 23% 31 (+ hosts)
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:53 pm Brazil will win the next worldcup, they haven't lost a game since Belgium in 18. You must give S.A credit, they do not have many teams like the Europeans, the fact that 3 out of 10 teams can boast of winning the world cup 9 times, compared to Europe with over 50 teams . They've performed better . They still produced the country with the most wins (5 times) It is easier for Europeans to win the world-cup, when they meet each other all the time due to the numbers . 13 out of 32 and from 2026 they will have about 16 teams
Confederation FIFA eligible members Places in finals
(including hosts) Percentage of members
with places in finals Places before 2026
(excluding hosts,
including half-places)
AFC 46 8 17% 4.5
CAF 54 9 17% 5
CONCACAF 35 6 17% 3.5
CONMEBOL 10 6 60% 4.5
OFC 11 1 9% 0.5
UEFA 55 16 29% 13
Playoff – 2 33% –
Total 211 48 23% 31 (+ hosts)
Brazil is also my tip to win next year's world cup alongside Italy if it qualifies
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I highly doubt Brazil will make it past the quarter finals(that's their new level) in the next WC, but we'll circle back to this topic next year.

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Scipio Africanus wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:40 pm I highly doubt Brazil will make it past the quarter finals(that's their new level) in the next WC, but we'll circle back to this topic next year.
in the last 6 or 7 World cups, which country has performed better than Brazil other than France or Germany? 2018(Q-final) 2014( Semis) 2010( q-final) 2006( q-final) 2002( winners) 1998( finalist) 1994(winners) last 7 WCs : 2 tiles, 1 final, 1 semi, and 3 q-finals
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There is clearly a gap growing mainly due to globalization. All the money is flowing to the centre - Europe. The European leagues are getting richer and more powerful while South American leagues have regressed from the standard that created the likes of Pele, Zico, Maradona, Romario, Ronaldo etc. Many of those players ended up in Europe, of course, but they were developed in South America. How long can that continue if their leagues continue to decline?
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Europe finally got over the no wins off the continent hump in 2010 and again in 2014, so maybe they win again in 2022.
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:07 pm Next year when the next WC rolls around it will be 20 years since a South American country(Brazil) last won it. Since then Italy, Spain, Germany and France have done the honors.

Is Europe so far ahead of everybody else now? Can they be caught, or is it just a case of numbers (only 3 real South American contenders in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay)?
Europe has an ace up its sleeve. If all best (S.A) players have moved to Europe, then it's only logical for the Europeans to keep winning. When this migration of talent to Europe stops then tables would change. We found out this the hard way. We had players in Europe, but it still never helped the African teams. Tricknology 101. It only helped them beat fellow African countries with no players in Europe.
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By the time the S. Americans get back to their former might, the likes of the US and Uganda will be in contention too. :thumbs:

Argentina has talented youth teams, but as Mexico has showed, it doesn't necessarily translate into success at the senior level.
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Actually Qatar is in the winter, European teams will be fine.
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:52 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:40 pm I highly doubt Brazil will make it past the quarter finals(that's their new level) in the next WC, but we'll circle back to this topic next year.
in the last 6 or 7 World cups, which country has performed better than Brazil other than France or Germany? 2018(Q-final) 2014( Semis) 2010( q-final) 2006( q-final) 2002( winners) 1998( finalist) 1994(winners) last 7 WCs : 2 tiles, 1 final, 1 semi, and 3 q-finals
Not even that self. Brazil finally has a complete team: 2 world class goalies, a world class striker and world class defenders. Add to that a coach that's tactically sound.
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A list of European teams that can credibly knock Brazil out of the WC, any day, any time

France
Germany
Italy
Netherlands
Belgium
Spain

Maybe

Croatia
Denmark
England

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azuka wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:33 pm
Bigpokey24 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:52 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:40 pm I highly doubt Brazil will make it past the quarter finals(that's their new level) in the next WC, but we'll circle back to this topic next year.
in the last 6 or 7 World cups, which country has performed better than Brazil other than France or Germany? 2018(Q-final) 2014( Semis) 2010( q-final) 2006( q-final) 2002( winners) 1998( finalist) 1994(winners) last 7 WCs : 2 tiles, 1 final, 1 semi, and 3 q-finals
Not even that self. Brazil finally has a complete team: 2 world class goalies, a world class striker and world class defenders. Add to that a coach that's tactically sound.
Tite is up there used to be the coach of Corinthians . He won the last COPA and they are back to another COPA final ( still undefeated in 3 years and counting , since the loss to Belgium)
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:58 pm A list of European teams that can credibly knock Brazil out of the WC, any day, any time

France
Germany
Italy
Netherlands
Belgium
Spain

Maybe

Croatia
Denmark
England
This could also be a list of European teams that Brazil can beat easily; any day, any time❗️


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What does “a South American team” actually imply, beyond the geographical connotations? The game has evolved in such ways that even the grassroots are plucked, bunched and sent to market. Nowadays, the core curriculum of many a “South American” is Europeanised by way of recruitment.

Gone are the days of seeds blossoming to a flowery bloom in the City of God before being lured away in devilish sin by the dollar. Even Watford, whilst seated in the Championship, have teenage Joao Pedros plucked straight from a mother’s breast on their roster. So, how does a poverty of exposure to the “South American” way, translate into a “South American team”? It doesn’t. ‘Tis no more than an assembly of players, geographically connected, who have schooled almost entirely on the European curriculum. Richarlison can only be Richarlison, Firmino, Casimero, Fabinho the same. And needless to say, playing the European game, as these “South American” teams do, they’ll be mashed when they meet the elites.

Europe will win the next World Cup, the one after that, and the one after that.
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:01 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:58 pm A list of European teams that can credibly knock Brazil out of the WC, any day, any time

France
Germany
Italy
Netherlands
Belgium
Spain

Maybe

Croatia
Denmark
England
This could also be a list of European teams that Brazil can beat easily; any day, any time❗️


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Brazil last beat a European team in the knockout stages of the WC ... in 2002, almost 20 years ago. Since then 4 (France 2006, Netherlands 2010, Germany 2014, Belgium 2018) out of the top list have knocked them out.

2002! Almost 20 years ago!

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Don’t mind them...Brazil who?
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If any of you believe that England and Italy are presently better than Brazil and Argentina then you are going to be very disappointed after Qatar 2022.

If you’ve been watching Copa America, it’s hard not to see that the South Americans generally have superior skills, as they’ve always had, but the Europeans counter that with superior tactics, physical conditioning and speed; the South Americans appear to have narrowed the gap considerably in the first two categories❗️


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The S-American sides are top-notch. Of course, they can win a WC.
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:20 pm If any of you believe that England and Italy are presently better than Brazil and Argentina then you are going to be very disappointed after Qatar 2022.

If you’ve been watching Copa America, it’s hard not to see that the South Americans generally have superior skills, as they’ve always had, but the Europeans counter that with superior tactics, physical conditioning and speed; the South Americans appear to have narrowed the gap considerably in the first two categories❗️


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There is no skill from South America that is not present in the French, Spanish or Italian team. In fact the latter 3 surpass anything South America have to offer skillwise, except for Leo Messi.

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YUJAM wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:01 pm The S-American sides are top-notch. Of course, they can win a WC.
4 WCs and counting, ain't won nada.

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South America has always punched above its weight.

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3 World cup winners.
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